What's prompting me to write this are all the recent posts about massage and guys complaining if they get no release with a massage or don't see that a release is advertised with a massage.  

For what it's worth...

I have worked in saunas here and other places.  Every place was almost the same.  If someone in the establishment knew you, then you got the service that you wanted.  If the establishment did not know you, you were only going to get a massage unless you could pass "the test."  (Guys who have been around should know what I mean by "test.")  

NOW, not every guy that attempted to pass the test actually got through.  This can be a very scary business, especially when you have to deal with the threat of LE trying to bust you.  If you are a licensed massage therapist, and you get caught doing anything even close to illegal, you will loose your massage license.  If these girls don't know you, and you are acting at all like you could be LE (i.e., trying to ask for extras for $, making blatant hints that you want extras, etc.), then she is not going to feel comfortable with you, and she is not going to give you the service you are looking for.  Sorry to say, but this is something you HAVE to expect if you do not know her.

Hobbyists and providers are not the only people who read these boards on a regular basis, LE does too.  I don't know any girl in her right mind who is going to advertise on these public boards that "I offer incall massage, and for an extra tip you'll get a release."  That is just asking LE to make a visit to you.  

Now, I'm not saying that this is going to be the case with every girl on here that advertises massage, etc.  Some may be all the way legit, and that is their right.  (In their defense, I HAVE seen guys ask where's a good place to get a legit massage, search the board for the past year.)  But I really think if you get to know some of them, you'll find that the case is in your guys' favor more than not.    

I truly believe there are a lot of guys reading this that already know this because they have been around since "back in the day" (prior internet).  Those who keep bringing this up seem to be the same guys, and I will bet a lot of you have never had a sauna experience.  

What I am saying, no asking, please give these girls a break.  In the past, on these boards, if a guy couldn't "get anything" at an establishment, he'd ask if anyone else has had any luck.  More times than not he'd find someone who had.  Lately it seems that there are guys out there who'd rather have a negative attitude to the girl.  Hey, if we were all able to be truly open and legal about this, THEN you'd have an argument, but reality is that it's not, so your approach has to change.  Just keep an open mind guys and girls, and give the each other a chance.  

There, I've said my piece.

Good Post Morgan.  I do remember the old days, and I have passed "the test" many times. But now, there is little opportunity to even offer the test.  
There is a massage place close and convenient to me.  They only have attractive female attendants, advertise in city pages, and charge reasonable rates.  However, I went there (scheduled appointment) undressed, (towel cover), was given a great back massage, turned over for front message, (the woman removed the towel, so I was naked. I tried to do everything right, patiently waiting for some indication that something erotic would happen.  Nothing did happen, except I got a decent message, for a reasonable rate.  I have not been back, as I fear this is the norm.  So, what is a guy to do.  I would love to be a regular at this place (it is so convenient).   But, how do I break the ice, or discover that there is actually no ice to break?  Any advice would be appreciated. Private response, if you wish to:  [email protected]

((((By the way, I am sure you can guess the popular northside place I so often passed the "test"  I often wish it and you were still there.)))

How do you get what you want if you don't ask for it?

For what its worth I used to get off on watching people get all turned on from shopping for sex toys etc. Did I ever tell you all that I have lived an interesting life?

If the place is reasonably priced and you can afford it, become a regular client.  Try to frequent on or two of the same girls.  It might take a little bit, but eventually you will both feel comfortable with each other.  Then, I would think, that you could ask her if there is a possiblity of anything extra.  She may beat you to it once she becomes familiar with you.

I do agree with the guys, it sucks that people can't just outright inquire.  Believe me, us girls would rather not have to put up the fronts either.  Until our government gives us our freedom on paper, not alot is going to be able to change, unfortunately.

((((Sano, it's amazing the number of gents I've come across from there on these boards.  It was a regular "cathouse." *LOL*)))

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