I moved here from ...... so obviously I don't have any "known provider" references and I have been reluctant to give up so much personal information to get in the door of the better providers in the twin cities. anyway... I have seen only city pages line ads girls mostly outcall but for some reason today I decided around 9:00 PM to go to a providers incall location in Bloomington behind the mall of america (I don't remember the name but there is an ihoop or something like that)I get there 15 minutes earlier "just in case" and parked in the back of the hotel as I was told. 2 minutes go by and I saw an undercover LE car (I know because I spotted the computer inside the car). the car is still hanging around but I called the girl anyway. she started to ask me specific questions about my car model, color, plate, what row was I park and a lot of details. here is the question for you guys or gals. is this protocol the usual thing to do when you get to an incall place? they could not see me because my engine was off and there were a few cars so I blended well. I looked to my left and there is another LE car just hanging and waiting for Mr J. I ended the conversation and discarded the chip (the card inside the phone)I went to chevys, ordered take out and enjoyed a meal looking at the police cars that never went away. I was lucky this time around but for the future... how in the hell can you tell if LE is involved on those ads? what are the chances among 100's of ads? I apologize for my grammar and I can't wait to hear your opinions. thanks and good night!

Thank you for posting that helpful info on this board! I know you are asking for some answers, but you are also keeping everyone safe. It would be even more helpful if you could post or pm the info for the "add" - girls name, # and who NOT to call! But as far as who to call, and how to give you a better chance of a provider not being LE, "do your homework" - check to see if she has reviews or is a known provider. Better to be safe than sorry. Sorry to hear of your near unfortunate experiance, but glad to see you are here to hobby another day!

give us the details so we can avoid this ad!

I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt as LE could have been there for other reasons as that area is very heavy hobby related. nobody has told me yet whats the protocol and thats why I asked here. whats your email Ben?

You did good not to come out with the ad/provider info in your first post,,,
I had a simular experence in brooklyn  Park this summer (I posted about it back when it happened) - I also walked to a local resturant (Cracker Barrel) and waited it out..... I'm convinced it was a sting and was so simular to your experence!
The cars with the dark tint and the blue glow inside (when looking in through the windshield)of the computer screen just to the right of the driver.....

Bloomington has a reputation for being heavy on LE activities.  I've never had a provider ask me those kinds of questions and if one ever did I'd be out of there.  I hope you can provide us with the details of which ad this was.

take it as a sign to get out anytime a provider would ask questions of that nature

Well, I can honestly say that I do not know of any lady that wants to know what you drive or your plate number....wtf ?  Most ladies do not care about that.  If they screen they will ask for info BEFORE you get there....and I have yet to hear of one that asks for your plate number. If they don't screen then they probably wouldn't ask for that info either.

You did right by keeping low.  I would have gone with my gut also.  That is waaaaaay to much info to ask once you are there.  Normal procedure is to just either give you the room number or if she likes to meet before the apt to give you the exact location where she is at and ask you what you are wearing. THAT's IT.

Don't ever give out plate info.  Too much can be learned from that by a simple membership to certain sites. IT'S NOT WORTH THE RISK OF YOUR LIFE BEING TURNED UPSIDE DOWN !

As far as the references, it doesn't matter that you are new in town.  By well known providers most of us are referring to a lady that has a website, current ads and reviews.  The area where she /you are from is irrelevent  I have gents use me as a reference all the time and I don't work in my home town for the most part

Happy hobbying
Missy

The more I LIKE you!!

You have consistently  given us clear and well thought out ideas and opinions regarding the safety of our identities and professional conduct in this hobby.
 In many ways your posts have been very helpful and brought "balance" to me and my "isolationist" and somewhat "extremist" thinking  about privacy in this hobby...... Thank you!
 I really wish there was some way you could teach seminars to some of the other providers on the range of topics you've covered on our board over time.
Your "anti-drama" approach is very appreciated and has done a lot to bring some rational tones to the collective paranoia we have been  feeling around here - especially since the "Mathews-mental-melt-down"!  
Also, thank you for taking the time to join the discussion, which is a rare treat to have a lady do!   Too often all we here from the ladies is either  blasts of psyco-drama ranting that cause us to question the collective mental health of the provider community! - Or the other extreme of ladies that only use the board for advertising and touring anouncements/info and otherwise remain silent - Which only adds to the male short-coming of thinking of providers as "products" rather than people - Your "posting style" certainly helps me think of you as a person and one that has my attention and respect as well!

I concur, Ben-Dover.  I too enjoy Missy's postings.  That said, she does require significant personal information for a booking.  I know, I tried, and it didn't work out to see her via an 'under the radar' scenario.

No dis to Miss, as she has a right to conduct her business as she sees fit, etc etc etc, but it should be known that this petite treat requires punters to give up the info prior to meeting.

Cheers,

EZ Trick

EZ,
The only time that I require significant "personal info" is if the hobbyist doesn't have
1. VERIFIABLE references ( I require they be independent with current reviews and ads).  Hey it's really easy to make up a provider and have her reference someone.

2. Isn't a member of preferred 411, date check or rs2k. (with date check and your "safe word" and first name is ALL that is required !)

3. A PM to an ACTIVE posting and reviewing TER handle and then one other step for me to verify that you actually are the member.
OR
4. A vouch from someone that I KNOW personally (either hobbyist OR provider).

If the gent doesn't meet ANY of the above requirements then I give the gent the OPTION of giving me personal info.  I NEVER demand it or expect it.  In fact, just because you have a job DOESN'T mean that you aren't a whacko (several serial killers come to mind lol).

I need to feel comfortable also.  I have never hidden the fact that I screen.  I just offer many ways to do so.  I see many under the radar types.  Unfortunately, if you do not have one of the other methods, then it is me that doesn't feel comfortable and I will decline the apt.  

There are MANY hobbyists in this community who can vouch for the fact that I do in fact employ various screening methods and don't demand "significant" personal info.  Then looking at the flip side of the coin, I guess it depends on what you mean by significant.  I will not meet someone that says, "Hi, my name is Bob, I am new to this.  I don't want to give you any personal info and I don't have references. When can I come over ?"  Don't snicker lol...it happens ALL the time.

If you would like to contact me personally via email to discuss this, I would be more than happy to do so  [email protected]

This hobby would be a whole lot more fun...what we really are missing here are more women like Missy.

(Disclaimer  - The following info specifically refers to INCALLs located within Townhouses/Duplexes/Single Family Homes/and Gated Communities. It is based on my personal experiences and may not be appropriate in all circumstances)

Residential areas are *always* being watched by someone- Neighbors, Community watch, etc... Disrespectful, Suspicious or Nuisance behaviour is a sure way to draw the attention of local residents & LE.

A few thoughts...take em or leave em ....

Try not to arrive early. Nothing will draw unwanted attention like a car slowly or repeatedly circling the block.

Do NOT sit & wait in your vehicle for more than 3 minutes upon arriving at the incall location.

During normal daytime hours do NOT park 1/2 way down the block or around the corner & walk up to the door. (unless instructed to do so). Remember, non-hobbiests do not aproach a home like that. It just looks wierd, and neighbors notice that stuff. This is not SPY vs SPY!  

Ask if it is OK before bringing flowers, wine, or any other gift items that will not easily hide in your coat pocket.

Loitering and Psycho Knocking (My personal pet peeve)- If there is no response within 3-5 minutes after knocking, ringing the doorbell, or buzzing the intercom turn around and calmly leave the area IMMEDIATELY. Drive away, and do not return to the location unless otherwise instructed to do so. (phone call or email)

NEVER EVER walk around the property peering in windows, rattling doorknobs, testing locks

NEVER EVER "Just walk in" or let yourself in through other doors unless specifically instructed to do so.

Please remember that participation in the hobby requires the cooperation of 2 consenting adults (at least.) Respect and responsibility are exclusive to neither party. This is not a contest to decide who's family would suffer the most.

Yours,
Renee East
P.S. pls forgive the sp/grammar --- I'm working on it!

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Thanks Renee.. those are great tips.  I concur on those tips. I wish more would follow just simple protocol of common sense, and not try to be so cloak'n'dagger in coming to a residence.  If you are trying to act sneaky then most likely a neighbor thinks you ARE BEING SNEAKY.  A neighbor seeing someone  being sneaky will make the residence come under suspicion.

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Missy,

All I was trying to point out is that yoyu DO, in fact, screen.  As such, significant personal info must be divulged prior to meeting you, be it directly to you, or to Rs2k, or another provider.

Ben Dover has posted numerous times of his unwillingness to divulge personal info, and recent events here and in other cities have shown the wisdon of this approach.

My point in posting was merely to make sure that in spite of Ben Dover's (likely well warranted) response, you do require that the hobbyist give up some personal info.

I waited to respond until this dropped off of the front page on the TER board, as I'm NOT trying tomake trouble for you or create any negative rumblings about how you conduct your business.

Kisses,

EZTrick

Hi EZ,
I never hid the fact that I DO screen.  I just offer many different ways to do so without intruding into someone's personal/ biz life.

I do not know of 1 reputable provider that will see a client that says..."hi this is Bob...can I come over ?"  I know there are many out there but not one "well known" provider.  Ben himself has pointed out that he doesn't get to see all the ladies he might have an interest in but that is the price that he pays for being able to stay anonymous.

I choose to screen, my safety is important. I never said that I didn't screen (it's on the front page of my site).  All I said is that there are MANY ways to screen without getting employment verification.

Your life is important to you....mine is important to me.  All I was trying to point out is that ther IS a middle ground.    I am fortunate as I have many friends in TC that can vouch for my business practices.  I don't apologize for them.  I have worked hard to be where I am at and am fortunate enough to be somewhat selective.  Screening hasn't impacted my business as there are many gents that will not see a girl that doesn't screen either.  

It's all relative.  All I was trying to point out is that there IS a middle ground.  Being under the radar is DIFFERENT than being completely anonymous.  At least by my definition.

I appreciate you taking the time to contact me and letting me discuss my opinion with you