Probably because you know what kind of response crossing that line will get you.

Anytime this topic comes up, someone always uses some analogy like buying a car on craigslist, where the LAST thing you are going to do is offer the asking price, and asks why isn't this the same.

Then someone else starts talking about how you don't go to Mc Donalds and try to talk them down on a Big Mac, and says it's no different with this.

Both arguments are flawed I think. The difference being, there is no personal attachment to the product or service being sold. It's pretty well known, (or at least widely speculated) that women are predisposed to attaching an emotion to every thought they have (which is why they never forget anything that you WANT them to forget).

So imagine how that would be quantified when putting a price on something that society taught them to believe was priceless. Then it becomes a personal insult in their minds, to suggest that they are worth one penny less than what they are asking. While men tend to take a pragmatic view of it, women...not so much. Generally speaking, of course.

I definitely feel you but somehow think the providers do the math differently

What hobby god put "thou shall not bargain with a provider" in his commandments?  I know that being cheap would not be conducive to a satisfying experience but why are we so damn careful to not cross that line?

My issue exactly- how to spread the dough? How long am I willing to hold out? I do try to mix them up a bit too. Many providers are generous with rates if you commit to being a regular client. I asked one what that meant and once a month was sufficient for her.  That was certainly a surprise! Some low volume ladies simply want to play and aren't neccisarily needing the $ other than to cover costs and a bit of spending money. There is certainly no lack of reasons for why ladies escort. Last year, I saw a few ladies that did not advertize, had a full-time career and didn't have time to date but wanted some playtime once in a while. Usually, the rates in these situations are much more reasonable and time of session is not an issue so long as schedules match.

We all have budget issues that may limit our fun time.  

But a provider is fully booked at 400 per hr.  I don't think she can be expected to drop her rate.  

negotiate rates....just bring in your pay stubs and tax returns and we can work out a sliding fee.
But you should never hobby in place of feeding the kids. That's my one requirement.
No, seriously......I do work with guys....shhhh....dont tell the millionaires!

Love Hilary
xoxo

Great discussion. As a newbie I was first driven by cost. After a couple encounters it became obvious why certain providers command a premium. The two points become quality or quantity, choose your preference. In my short time in the hobby my vote is for quality.

Ive noticed, as Im sure many girls have....that men are willing and able to pay more these days. If Im booked solid, I don't need a man to come to me 3 times versus one time. In fact, many times it's hard to keep up! I actually raised my rates so that things would SLOW down a bit for me. It's that busy!! And ALL the time!!  And even at my rate of 400!!   So no, I don't always need you guys to come to me more often......I want to keep it at a nice slow and steady pace, rather than working toooooo much and not enjoying myself because Im too busy! It's sometimes VERY bought to keep up with the TESTOSTERONE!!!

I meant to say "very TOUGH to keep up with testosterone"  
(typo......in my last reply....I said "bought" instead of "tough") I type too fast.

Not a bad idea.  Kinda like a progressive tax system.  It also would bring verification to a new level! I will be forwarding my returns soon.

Yay Puddle!!   I can't wait to meet you! And delve into all your tax returns and personal info!  Yes, a GREAT way to verify indeed!

What a wonderfully refreshing post. It's obvious you choose quality over quantity.....wait let me rephrase that...you choose mutual quality over quantity. Bravo.

Instead of raising rates maybe if you put up a few bad performances or didn't practice personal hygiene it would slow things down  (Just not for me though)

And it seems pretty clear from what I see on their websites that many of the ladies don't either.

Big part of it for me is that even if I got a better rate, would she feel still deliver the same level of performance?  I strongly prefer to simply know what the rate is and then decide if I'm willing to pay it or look for someone else at a rate I am OK with.

I'm soooo poor, I qualify for free health care through the V.A.  Maybe I can get free "sex therapy" since they pay for outside services when they can't do it themselves! Ha! No discount needed then!

It's like selling art, except there's no copy machine.

Sell 1 for $2000
Sell 5 for $400
or sell 10 for $200

There's a lot each provider needs to consider. Guys on the other hand, see it from the opposite side. They WANT the 10 for $200 deal. It's like men are from Mars and women are from Venus or something.

You have price point that you want to deal with. Don't yo yo around with what you are willing to pay. Just stick the price that does not bust your budget. Of course that means you don't always get what you want. You might have to wait. It is term in investing called value cost averaging, applies to the hobby.

Now if you change your job, get a big pay raise you can always upgrade to a higher priced lady.

I understand that bargaining before a session could only put a damper on the festivities and I don't believe I ever have done so. The only part I disagree with is why it is often construed as ungentlemanly or beneath our dignity to bargain in this business. Nuff said

...if he does see someone out of his budget I don't see why saving up for the opportunity should be out of the question.

big money won't guarantee a great experience. Dwelling on money makes me less interested in hobbying. There are so many sweet ladies across the spectrum... 2 out of 3 of my previous ATFs were at or under 200 (they have retired or I'd still be seeing them).

I don't think it's wrong to tell a lady what u can afford, unless she has clear posted rates somewhere. I've also given more at times when I feel that the lady has way undervalued her services. I've stayed in the mid-range for over five years so I can hobby more and I have been pleased overall with both quantity and quality.  Once in a while I splurge but have done so less recently. To be happy as a hobbyist, u have to do lots of research and develop good connections with other guys and providers. Also treating others with respect and kindness goes a long long way to being successful in this world.

How do you do this, Hillary?  Do you suggest it?  I can't imagine the guy suggesting it without it coming across as insulting to you.

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......it wasn't worth it.  She was hot model material.  She agreed in advance to a two-hour session for $600, was even gracious about it, but, on the day, she was just going through the motions: talked for half an hour, was rude, played for an hour, then ended the session after 90 minutes.  I think she resented the "discount" the entire time, even though I had said I couldn't afford her unless there were a discount, and she agreed to it.  I would never repeat with her.

You're so sweet! Just ask!
Hey, I know my rates have gone up....and I know the economy sucks, and with the troubles in Europe, and with the Euro things cud crash big time anytime!! I am a trader, but have stayed away from the market during these turbulent times!! My business seems to be recession proof actually....and I have a heart.
But!....when things recover, OR if you are financially sound, or NOT from Minnesota.....sorry, my 400 rate applies.

.... you misread me big time lol. I was merely suggesting that if as I said before he shouldn't always be so strict on his budget and turn down on the principle of sticking to a budget on what could be an actual great time with some he just has to have because she is out of his 'set limit' at that time.

I have set a limit that I no longer go over no matter who it is.  On the other end one of the nicest ladies, with the best performance I've ever seen was $150.00.  She accepeted a tip the first time I saw her but wouldn't after that.  Saw her about ten times before she retired due to family issues.  If she comes back I will see her in a heartbeat.   bigdell

Cutting rates isn't a good way to make more income or see more clients.  It will NEVER make more in fact that's the fastest route to making less IMHO. I just try to add more  to what I already offer without going overboard.
All offering discounts and the like does for me is increase the BS & call volume.
Im worth saving up for.

What you're saying makes sense. I imagine each provider finds their market niche through experience.