Minnesota

Re: Rates are a strategy...
IJMiggs 4098 reads
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1 / 35

I love to support local but the visiting hotties are looking not only better but a discount in comparison to a lot of the local all-stars asking rates I never imagined.

knotsaway 38 Reviews 163 reads
posted
2 / 35

… then their pricing strategy seems to be working for them, yes?

The easy solution for you is to support local escort ladies who charge less than 600/hour.  There’s lots of great providers in that category.  

OldRanger 62 Reviews 118 reads
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3 / 35

As for price of visiting providers except for one agency do not see a price advantage .
Secondly the very professional picks of the touring ladies will most often not meet up to the postings.
Which touring ladies have you seen personally and did they match up to expectations?
For the most part staying local as have not had better experiences as for looks and session quality with touring.

kinkyman69 43 Reviews 124 reads
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4 / 35

I have to agree that the rates for some providers extremely outrageous. Before the pandemic I knew of at least three providers who charged 250 or so an hour, now on Tryst  they are now charging 500. That is a 250 increase in less than 2 years, seriously!  
Just to put this in perspective for $500 you could buy a PlayStation 5, if you're into video games, a decent size TV, a couch(depending on where you shop) and that is probably your grocery  money for the month, along with your cell phone bill.
But a guy is expected to pay 5 or $600 for 1 hour fun. Now don't get me wrong, I understand there's some dudes who might have higher paying careers and $500 is nothing to him but I'm sure most of us don't make six figures.
The funny thing is the lady, some aren't getting as many bites which is why you'll see some advertising on Twitter and offering deals.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not begrudging a woman for charging what she wants and she charges 5/6 an hour and idiots are taking her up on that fine, but understand you're on your less hits because many eyes will just try to find the girl who would charge about half of that.

paigesavage See my TER Reviews 137 reads
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5 / 35

Choosing a rate as a provider is a balance of understanding what the market can bear, understanding how your body type, brand, and/or niche come into play, how much a provider needs to make monthly which can vary greatly depending on possibly having other forms of income, how much they want to work, AND the type of clients they'd like to see, and/or experiences they'd like to have.  

 
Typically, as the hourly price point gets higher, yes there are less eyes on them but their multi-hour dates tend to become more valuable to book. But those providers probably have other forms of income, have a steady flow of regulars who are paying their new rates with no issues, have semi-exclusive arrangements with clients, and/or are receiving longer booking requests which allow them to work less while making more.

 
Oftentimes, when these conversations come up, I think it can be difficult to have empathy because it's normally the 1H clientele that is upset. What the 1H clientele needs to remember is they are probably not the target clientele that provider is marketing for. HOWEVER, before anyone calls me "mean", I can see why clients get a bit frustrated when there are people they want to see but they either cannot afford it or just don't want to pay "x" amount. But I really wish they would realize it's not personal.

jollyranger 52 Reviews 109 reads
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6 / 35

I see mostly touring providers and they are almost always more expensive than local ones. I have also noticed a decent increase in the P4P market, which is one of the reasons why I spend more time in the SD arena.

jollyranger 52 Reviews 114 reads
posted
7 / 35

I have found out that the higher price point providers are more selective with regards to clients and often are lower volume.

kinkyman69 43 Reviews 132 reads
posted
8 / 35

Paige, I completely get it and understand certain thing about rates. For example, you are woman I have been dying to see, as you are the perfect body type for me and your intelligence is sexy as well. For me personally it's just hard to justify paying your rate, although truth be told someday I might just have to suck it up and succumb to doing just that to by graced by your presence someday.  
I understand that of ladies are charging what you feel you are worth that and guys are biting and more power to you. Make that money.
For me it's just is anyone worth that? If I was paid $600 a day for my job let alone an hour, I'd be ecstatic. If a top-end provider is charging $600 an hour and if she saw one client for an hour for 20 days a month she would be taking home $12,000 without paying any taxes.
Again I guess all circumstances. If most of your clientele are guys who have money making careers such as doctors and lawyers, five or six hundred dollars an hour is no sweat to them. But for the average guy who isn't broke by any means but certainly doesn't have unlimited income, paying that much for an hour of companionship seems unlikely.
My other issue, and granted this might might make some angry, is that some women aren't worth that high rate. When I see some high-end ladies offering deals on Twitter, that leads me to believe they're not getting as many clients as they would hope for (Unless they're doing something foolish with their money), this alone should be their key to understand that they should probably lower their rate.

paigesavage See my TER Reviews 129 reads
posted
9 / 35

I don't think it's a matter of providers charging what we think we are "worth". In your message you kind of hit the nail on the head regarding the differences in how clients believe rates should be informed vs. providers. Some clients believe a provider has to be "worth" their rate and that value is primarily determined by that provider's aesthetics vs. their actual services. Whereas, most providers are pricing themselves based on how much they want to work AND (I forgot to mention earlier), ensuring they cover their operating costs as well.  

 
Generally, I recommend that clients shy away from doing, what is it called here, hooker math? I recommend they stay away from it because often times it is rather off. Yes $12,000 gross is a lot, you will not hear the latter from me; however, it's not the net income. Your math math fails to account for overhead costs possibly ranging from traveling expenses, static incall rent, supplies, etc. Also, if the provider is paying taxes, which most are, that's roughly $3,600 in taxes for the month they need to set aside. Which SN: quarterly taxes are on the list of "banes of my existence".  

 
Once again, I have to reiterate marketing. A higher rate provider is marketing toward a different type of client and logically that client demographic will typically have more money, but not all clients fit that archetype. There are many 600+ providers who have "average guy" clients who are on a fixed income or making less than 50K/ year (US men in 2019 averaged roughly $57,400 in real earnings). How do those fellas afford the $600+ providers? They save up. It's a treat. It's not something they do every week or multiple times a month, they aren't part of the QV or HH demographic. So it's not that it's not feasible, it's just different strokes for different folks... literally.  

 
Finally, to wrap this up, I can't speak for what people are incentivizing. Oftentimes, the only incentives I see are the ones providers themselves value: anything regarding extended dates, travel, or timely pre-bookings when touring. Using myself as an example. My personal life is well-rounded and rather busy, so when in Minneapolis, I value clients who can pre-plan. Therefore, if they book 72H out, I incentivize them by granting $100 off any engagement and thereby putting me on target for the market, if not under market when compared to most of the Minneapolis Top 10. It's not a matter of not being able to command my rate... I just really appreciate people who understand the fembot here is a real human being with a life and that "Available now" makes me drier than the Sahara.

kinkyman69 43 Reviews 129 reads
posted
10 / 35

Paige,
A couple of thoughts in regards to your message.
1. The $12,000 a month was on the low end if provider is charging 600 per hour. I do get some of the overhead costs(outfits, getting nails done, beauty supplies, lingerie, haircuts) but I also assume most women would have these expenses if they weren't sw(maybe not to the extent they are paying though).
I will admit I didn't factor in taxes. The reason for this oversight is that I personally have known  3 providers and  none of them ever paid any kind of taxes. I commend you for doing your civic duty. I also didn't think about static Incall. Many providers just host out of their homes, which never made sense to me because I wouldn't do that..But it seems smart to have a separate incall because if I was female and I provider, i wouldn't want everyone to know my home. Question, would you ever team up with another provider on an incall to slipt the rent, or is that too hard trying to juggle things.
I also get about saving up and understanding that some average guy just want to treat themsebles. Typically I would never ever consider the companionship of a provider in the 500 or 600 range, but your the exception. I know that over the next couple months I need to pinch some pennies if I want to be able to set a date with you in the near future. But there in lies the problem. If our date is amazingly spectacular the way I assumed it would be, then I know it will be months before a repeat date which would drive me crazy. I wouldn't be able to  become a regular of yours. My best hope would be a semi regular.  Thanks providing your incentive for  booking early,  I will remember that for the future.  
Your final point I also get. I would certainly see why you would get peeved at someone sending you a message saying "available now". You seem like a woman who has a eclectic taste and is very culture and I'm sure there are hundreds of things that you do outside of the hobby. I think sometimes guys might just take a chance to see if someone might be available. For example, over the last 6 months I've had like 3 or 4 providers cancel on me last minute. In those instances I will admit to have sent out feelers to see someone's available at that moment or the time that a date was at.  I always figured the worst thing that can happen is someone says no but I guess it depends on the situation.

jimmymack100 5 Reviews 183 reads
posted
11 / 35

To much for me. After reading some of the reviews way to much.

SageX6 5 Reviews 116 reads
posted
13 / 35

Way I see it. It’s  kind of like Scotch. There’s the house scotch and the top shelf. And some folks can drop $40 on a glass of 150 year old scotch and enjoy it. There are others that are use to and satisfied by just being able to afford the house scotch.
It just comes down to what you are willing to spend and what one can afford. I for one feel fortunate for such great opportunities in our market for the variety of choices.

Nago8 4 Reviews 140 reads
posted
14 / 35

How long much longer is TER going to allow free advertising for Paige Savage?  Her replies are simply self promotion.  Sorry I cant "empathise" .  What info did she provide in this response?  Book for multiple hours so we can get a better value.  Makes sense for anyone raking in multiple hours money.

AileenDream See my TER Reviews 160 reads
posted
15 / 35

Authentic people in this subculture were not group trained. They don't write elegantly or build their brands with equity in mind. Be careful.

paigesavage See my TER Reviews 130 reads
posted
16 / 35

Uncalled for but that said, here’s the TLDR on what I provided insight on since there appears to be a lack of reading comprehension…

* the strategy higher end providers use to price their time  
* how client “hooker math” is fundamentally flawed due to failing to account for overhead costs  
* who higher end clients are truly marketing to & why (typically trying to avoid 1H dates)
* how the “average guy” sees higher priced providers  
* what people normally incentivize & using myself as an example instead of people who are are not listed on TER that I can’t name  

Frankly, I’m not sure who pissed in your Cheerios, who hurt you, or what I did in my short time here to upset you. However, whenever you respond to me or talk about me here, you always throw a strop sounding resentful and a bit put out.

SageX6 5 Reviews 119 reads
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17 / 35

And just to be clear, there are many, many upper mid tier scotches that taste better and equally offer the same euphoric effects than those labeled and priced as “top shelf”.  
It’s all one’s preference.

golfguy612 35 Reviews 121 reads
posted
18 / 35

Providers can charge whatever they want. At the end of the day, the market will tell them if they are charging too much.  

The good news here in MSP is that there are a variety of providers at a variety of price points.  

I, honestly, tend to avoid the more expensive providers. I'd usually rather have two encounters in the 200-300 range than one in the 500-600 range.  

That said, I recently saw a provider in the 500-600 range who I hadn't seen in some time and it was a really nice experience. It was relaxed, it was at a nice hotel vs an apartment with multiple people working, she was attentive the whole time vs. the 5 minutes of laying on a massage table wondering when the provider was going to show up and I was clearly the priority vs the times when it feels like a provider is simply going through the motions.

Now I will admit that it is a massive bummer when you go see a more expensive provider and it turns into a disappointing experience.  

Summary: I don't have a problem with what providers charge (there is a provider I quit seeing a couple of years ago because her rates became more than I wanted to pay), but I certainly have increased expectations when I see a more expensive provider.

tinmanter20 2 Reviews 123 reads
posted
19 / 35

Are you suggesting that TER not allowing Paige to post her reply? Are you intimidated by her brain power and intellectual prowess? For once, it's such refreshing and a delight to see Paige educating the foolish men on TER.  
Her posts always have substances and grace, despites a lot of hostility toward her.  I've seen resentment and jealousy from her peers when she won the Miss TER summer but Paige always presents herself with unmatched grace and class.  
Paige's posts are like a breath of fresh air in this foul land of TER filled with bickering and ugliness and you want that ray of sunshine to be snuffed out?

vorlon 119 Reviews 119 reads
posted
20 / 35

She presents her point of view.  I disagree with her on many things but the idea that TER should stop her from having her say is simply wrong.

kinkyman69 43 Reviews 117 reads
posted
21 / 35

Seriously my man? She was debating with me and she had one or two valid points. I find her to be very intelligent and like hearing her point of view, even if I dont always agree.
We complain because hardly any providers partake in the discussion board compared to some years ago, and now you want to run off the one lady who does contribute...smh..

SageX6 5 Reviews 132 reads
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22 / 35

She’s intelligent, candid and provides great insights. Her input has enlightened me on more than one occasion.
I may differ in view point on occasion, but always enjoy her kind, well thought post.
The thought of censorship for her stating her view is ridiculous. This is TER, not syndicated TV news.

golfguy612 35 Reviews 41 reads
posted
23 / 35

I really hope when you said "go find less" you mean someone with lower rates and not meaning someone who isn't as good.  

Because the rates a provider charges doesn't measure whether someone is more or less of a person. And while rate can indicate quality of service, it doesn't guarantee it at all.

sweetromantic 157 Reviews 117 reads
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24 / 35

Its not that TER is giving free advertising to Paige, its that Paige is taking advantage of commenting on the boards and she is one of the few ladies that do it and guys take notice. She is just letting us know that she is still around and willing to give her opinion, wish more girls did that, then we would know that they still exist.

jimmymack100 5 Reviews 59 reads
posted
25 / 35

I totally agree, some of the best ive had were not that expensive. Some of the most expensive were really not that good.

jollyranger 52 Reviews 38 reads
posted
26 / 35

And another provider that is $2500 for two hours…October is turning out to be an extremely hot month.

holyCRA@#P 131 reads
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27 / 35

Money to burn. I could afford it, but just can’t pull the trigger for that rate. I can have amazing experiences in the Twin Cities for $$ to $$$ that rival any $600 experience. If you have that kind of cash take a weekend trip to Montreal and spent $250 to be with a couple of GFE 9+ gals a few times over a weekend. Awesome trip and you won’t feel ripped off.

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 132 reads
posted
28 / 35

For someone asking $1000/hour consider instead finding some young sugar babe.  She'd be thrilled at $1000, might even accept it as a weekly or monthly rate rather than a hour.  
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jollyranger 52 Reviews 113 reads
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29 / 35

This is why I started dabbling in the SD/SB waters a couple of years ago and have progressed to about 80% of my time there. For $1k-$1500 monthly allowance, I get several overnight stays and a few more BCD visits. There are certain trade-offs compared to P4P, but overall a much better value.

vorlon 119 Reviews 110 reads
posted
30 / 35

Nobody is forcing them to accept these rates and they are free to be escorts if they wish.

kinkyman69 43 Reviews 112 reads
posted
31 / 35

I think the big idea that guys were trying to explain is that some escorts have exploded in their rates over the last two years. Some escorts who charged maybe 250 an hour just to three years ago are now charging 500 or even 600 which is a steep jump.

LadyAnna See my TER Reviews 123 reads
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32 / 35

I've chosen my rate because it's what fits my life. So because I'm pretty simple, I don't have have many overhead costs. I don't go anywhere (but Paige's list of cities she visits is making my envious feet itch!), and I don't need or want to see many clients. Plus, I'm over 50 so there's that.  

But all that to say, it really depends on the provider. I get just the right amount of clients for me. If my stamina or health (mental and/or physical) starts to become an issue, then I may raise them because I'll be seeing less clients.  

There's my 2 cents.

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 114 reads
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33 / 35

A typical SB/SD relationship will have the SB wanting to know why you aren't seeing her more often.
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They can make tons more in an hour or two than at their greeter job at the restaurant.  

Frenchalps 121 reads
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34 / 35

$600 for one pop isn’t considered predatory? It’s a matter of supply and demand.

jimmymack100 5 Reviews 113 reads
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35 / 35

That's right there are many fantastic girls out there that don't charge a house put. Essentially as the saying goes "when you bend them over they all look the same" or as the Mick Jaeger says " you can't always get what you want but if you try real hard you'll find that you get what you want"

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