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Its_My_Money 6 Reviews 2190 reads
posted
1 / 34
Doing the Math - Expensive Hobby

Minnesota ranks 10th in the nation with average income of $45,265 per full time wage earner

$25 hr x 40 hrs = $1,000 wk = $52,000 yr minus 25% taxes (state, fed, ss)  
52,000 - 13,000 taxes = $39,000 net disposable income
$25 x 8 hrs = $200 per day after tax $150 per day disposable income

$2,000 wk = $104,000 per year

$104,000 = $300 net per day
I'm a Libertarian and fully believe in free will and freedom of choice... but
In my opinion a man needs to earn $104,000 yr to see $300 hr providers
Bottom line:  High end providers are best left to High end earners.

Independent Provider Income
1 client a day at $300 five days a week = $1500 wk = $78,000 yr
Cash business no taxes however a provider spends 30% on advertising, travel, wardrobe ect.
78,000 - 23,400 = $54,600 net disposable income
Nice Hobby

I'm not telling anyone how to run their business/hobby, but it seems to me if providers focused
more on their daily or weekly earnings rather than hourly earnings everyone would be happier.

I also believe the hobby should be decriminalized, regulated and taxed.
Again I think everyone would be safer and happier.

What say you

souls_harbor 632 reads
posted
2 / 34
competition

I'd say that if there was such a road to riches the competition would be greater and therefore the asking price would be lower.  As a libertarian we have to allow that the market seeks its own level.

monieb 46 Reviews 403 reads
posted
3 / 34
Too much thinnin' Quicksdraw...

Save up some money and from time to time find a lady you like to be with and enjoy her.

vorlon 119 Reviews 422 reads
posted
4 / 34
Decriminalization is but a step

It should be legal with very strong punishments for anyone who tries to force someone into being a sex worker.  Beyond that, people will make their own decisions about how to spend their money.  Some of those decisions will be foolish.

vantheman666 11 Reviews 390 reads
posted
5 / 34
Supply and demand

If a provider's phone is ringing off the hook, obviously she can get away with raising her rates.  If there are clients she really likes, she can grandfather them at their old rates (as my ATF does with me).  If the phone is silent, she's going to have to lower her rates or retire from the industry.  The market dictates the price.  There are obviously enough people in the area who can afford to pay $300-350 an hour, or the rates would be lower.  Also, there's the question of how often we clients partake of the services.  In my case, I'm only able to do this every other month, with the lower-than-average prices.  I would rather do it once a month, of course, or ideally once a week, but I do what I can within my means.  If there are more guys in my boat, rates will eventually come down.  On the (better) flip side, if I can get out of my hole and am able to afford more frequent playdates, and this is the case with everyone, the average will eventually go up.  There's always civie women out there to pursue in between playdates.

RickBMN 65 Reviews 398 reads
posted
6 / 34
In a nutshell, what I say is the market will dictate...

While what you wrote meets the definition of disposable income, I would argue that what needs to be considered is one’s discretionary income.  I.e., the amount of money left over after one’s monthly (and/or annual) obligations have been met.  In addition to the taxes you mentioned, one has other obligations: mortgage or rent, car payment, utilities, etc.  These need to be paid before counting the hobby money.  And depending on income and personal situations, discretionary income can vary significantly for people at the same income level (as can tax obligations).  

The hobby, like many other activities, can get expensive- no doubt.  But one can control those expenses by playing or not playing.

I’m not sure where you got the 30% figure for a provider’s expenses; seems inflated to me, but I’ll agree that it sure seems quite lucrative for the ladies.   (How did you arrive at that figure? I can assure you that 2 of the 3 women you’ve reviewed don’t spend but a few dollars a day- far from 30%.  I don’t know the third woman, so I cannot comment.)

I don’t understand your comment about providers focusing on daily/weekly earnings vs. hourly rates. The market dictates hourly rates.  If prices are too high, fewer can play.  If prices are too low, you’ll raise rates (inflation) because you’ll have too many dollars chasing too few goods.  I.e., everyone can play.  It boils down to making the most money for the least effort. (Think of the supply and demand curves.)  Finding that balance.  Some providers are comfortable seeing fewer guys and making a bit less per year but more per hour.  (Result is more personal time.)  Some providers need more weekly, monthly, or annual income, so they’re willing to see a few more clients- perhaps at a lower rate.  (Result is less personal time.)   I don’t think there is a formula that will make everyone happy as you wish.  For the guys, that would be the best pussy for free anytime anywhere.  For the women, it’d be endless money for putting out the least.  

I agree that the hobby should be decriminalized and regulated- to a certain point.  E.g., health and safety concerns.  As far as being taxed?  Hell no.  We’re taxed enough already.  Providers would pay income taxes (sure they would) and registration fees to cover the regulatory costs, and clients are already taxed on their income.  

Bottom line:  it’s the free market. Actually more of a free market than you realize. More free than the business world because the hobby lacks all the expensive taxes and regulations. You’re free to play or not. No gov’t agency is dictating you do this or that.  Want a $400/hr experience? You can find one.  Want a $200/hr experience? You can find one.  Point is:  Provider decides what she wants to charge. You decide what you want to pay

TalonTed 92 Reviews 448 reads
posted
7 / 34
Re: Supply and demand

Damn, every other month??? I see 2-5 every week.  WTF, do you do between every other visit, oh wait, I don't want to know.

Posted By: vantheman666
If a provider's phone is ringing off the hook, obviously she can get away with raising her rates.  If there are clients she really likes, she can grandfather them at their old rates (as my ATF does with me).  If the phone is silent, she's going to have to lower her rates or retire from the industry.  The market dictates the price.  There are obviously enough people in the area who can afford to pay $300-350 an hour, or the rates would be lower.  Also, there's the question of how often we clients partake of the services.  In my case, I'm only able to do this every other month, with the lower-than-average prices.  I would rather do it once a month, of course, or ideally once a week, but I do what I can within my means.  If there are more guys in my boat, rates will eventually come down.  On the (better) flip side, if I can get out of my hole and am able to afford more frequent playdates, and this is the case with everyone, the average will eventually go up.  There's always civie women out there to pursue in between playdates.

TalonTed 92 Reviews 436 reads
posted
8 / 34
Re: competition

Exactly, same Kgirl in LA is $50 less. There are a gazillion of them in LA at $250, and when they come here it's $300/hr.  

Posted By: souls_harbor
I'd say that if there was such a road to riches the competition would be greater and therefore the asking price would be lower.  As a libertarian we have to allow that the market seeks its own level.

Its_My_Money 6 Reviews 344 reads
posted
9 / 34
Re: In a nutshell, what I say is the market will dictate...

A well thought out reply, Rick.

Taxed I meant provider income tax, not sales tax, either way taxes increase market prices.
But worth it in exchange for health and safety of all.
Prohibition dramatically influences/increases prices, so No it is not a Free Market environment.
By decriminalizing I believe free market supply/demand would off set the taxes and prices would remain  
the same.

There are a lot individuals in Twin Cities making well over 104,000 and can well afford $300+ providers.
I chose that number for easy math.
My thought is guys in the $45,265 range who have to save up to see a $300+ provider end up bitter  
about their experiences over time and ruin provider attitudes (jaded) for those that can afford them.
I'm not trying to tell anyone how to spend their money.
But I believe if guys stuck to what they can afford all would be happier in the long run.

It's My Money and I'll choose to spend it how and where I want

crsm27 32 Reviews 336 reads
posted
10 / 34
Re: In a nutshell, what I say is the market will dictate...

Here is the thing....

Save up and visit the high end ones every month or so.

That is what I do.

I haven't had a terrible experience yet.  Plus it adds to the build up.   The only bad experience I had was a chemistry issue.   Which again I'm not jaded or upset with.   Just know people have off days and people don't always click.   Not the providers fault at all.   Still had a decent time and got accomplished what was on menu.   But it was the only time my expectations were not met.  

Here is the deal.... anyone can save up to spend what ever amount they want and hobby.

I am talking all hobbies not just this one.

I tell my friends this all the time when they say.... you spend so much you must be rich.... nope... I save and am smart about it.   This is what I mean.... we all have habbits that cost money.... beer, cigs, starbucks, etc.     So cut some of this stuff out of your routine.... ie:   don't drink a case of beer a weekend.... drink a 12 pk.... saves $10 right there.... cut out your morning starbucks to one time a week..... You save another $20 there..... quick tabacco at $5+ a pack or tin.... etc.      

YOu see you can save up in a hurry with little cuts.   Then that way you can enjoy other or "finer" things.... be it a vacation or seeing a $300 provider once a month.

RickBMN 65 Reviews 373 reads
posted
11 / 34
Re: In a nutshell, what I say is the market will dictate...

I was writing at a high level. No way we can get into an economics debate here, and it would solve nothing any way because there will always be supply siders and demand siders (Keynesians).. and classics.  When I wrote about this being a free market, I was writing with the implied understanding that we are talking about a black-market industry.  Within this black market, it is free.  That is, there are no govt regulations or taxes that superficially raise, freeze, or lower rates or favor one provider over another.  There are no subsidies, etc.  Within this market it is purely supply and demand.  

Let me ask you this, though....  If the hobby were decriminalized, what do you think the result would be?  Think it through all the way....   The gov't would institute all sorts of rules, regulations (which are subtle taxes), and outright taxes.  If a woman wants to make X dollars today (for her time and expenses), she charges X dollars.  Decriminalized, now the the rate is X + Y, where Y = the gov't take.  Your $300/hr provider is now $400 or more because of all the regulations and taxes.  As prices increase, demand will decrease. So the women either leave, work more to make the same amount, or they just make less.  The only winner is gov't.

To arbitrarily choose $104K as the threshold for affording a $300 provider is just that- arbitrary.  I know people at or above that that income level who have other obligations that make $300 out of reach (at least on a regular basis), and I know some making much less who do engage.  It comes down to exactly what you wrote:  "It's My Money and I'll choose to spend it how and where I want."  Some choose cars, vacations, and planes and throw in a provider now and then.  Others place providers higher on their list.  And to your point: "But I believe if guys stuck to what they can afford all would be happier in the long run."  Isn't this true about everything in life?  Why buy a BMW if all you can really afford is a Ford or Chevy.  Why travel to the Caribbean if all you can afford a weekend in Duluth?  Common sense spending is best.  Splurging now and then is nice and fun.  But that should be done without affecting the longer term financial plan.

funman1969 9 Reviews 301 reads
posted
12 / 34
Lets just get to the point

None of us give a shit about  what they make in a year or day. Its what I am charged  for  the service provided   number one priority. Paying same rate for a dead fish providers  compared  to someone who excels in service because market dictates is such BS. Oh yeah im sure they will all line up to freely start  claming this income and pay regulation fees. WTF.  Hey try this tell them knock 25% off price as this will off set untaxed income they make. Let me know how that goes.  The only fee they  will  pay is to the next Jess and Jesus but dare we say that.  

How dumb of me not to think of all that money they need for liengirie.  Just how much if that shit was bought for them. I can see the fee coming down already because how sorry they feel for how long you have to work to go see them.   Its your money but thus is ridiculou

RickBMN 65 Reviews 388 reads
posted
13 / 34
Well written and sage advice. But...

...not much left for me to cut....  not gonna cut my cars or vacations for pussy.  But that is clearly my choice.  :)

tinner60 18 Reviews 405 reads
posted
14 / 34
Doing the math

BORING

Mr.M.Johnson 483 reads
posted
15 / 34
I travel all over the country and

$300 per hour seems to be the norm, other than in NYC.

darmody 22 Reviews 301 reads
posted
16 / 34
What?

I don't understand this post. You need $104,000 a year to see a $300 hooker every day? But who even wants to do that?

OldTimerB 45 Reviews 317 reads
posted
17 / 34
Re: Supply and demand

I'm guessing that even if a provider's phone rarely rings, she could theoretically get by with one client every 2-3 days. 10 clients a month at $300/hr is $3K/month. Not a lot but more than enough when considering it's tax-free. Assuming she's not blowing it all on drugs, booze, etc. I certainly don't feel sorry for anyone in certain high paidoccupations such as getting paid to play a game (sports players) or providers. Some truly are worth it while others are not.

By the way, another way for a provider to earn $3K/month is to contact Talon. One client a month. Repeated of course but...
Posted By: vantheman666
If a provider's phone is ringing off the hook, obviously she can get away with raising her rates.  If there are clients she really likes, she can grandfather them at their old rates (as my ATF does with me).  If the phone is silent, she's going to have to lower her rates or retire from the industry.  The market dictates the price.  There are obviously enough people in the area who can afford to pay $300-350 an hour, or the rates would be lower.  Also, there's the question of how often we clients partake of the services.  In my case, I'm only able to do this every other month, with the lower-than-average prices.  I would rather do it once a month, of course, or ideally once a week, but I do what I can within my means.  If there are more guys in my boat, rates will eventually come down.  On the (better) flip side, if I can get out of my hole and am able to afford more frequent playdates, and this is the case with everyone, the average will eventually go up.  There's always civie women out there to pursue in between playdates.

Its_My_Money 6 Reviews 399 reads
posted
18 / 34
Re: Doing the math

Odd... I have a  background in statistical risk management and find running numbers hot.
Doesn't everyone?

Its_My_Money 6 Reviews 334 reads
posted
19 / 34
Re: What?

LOL - $300 a day is the take home pay of someone making 104k per year.

So, yes if you want to spend every dollar earned and forget about food, shelter, clothing ect
you could spend $300 a day to see a hooker 5 days a week, (if you walk to and from) but you would  
need to earn 132k to see a $300 hooker 7 days a week for 1 year (if you walk to and from)
but without food, after 4 days or so of walking to and from it might become a bit of a no go.  

Personally I can't see spending more than a days pay for a 1 hour session every 4 weeks or so,
but to each their own.

RickBMN 65 Reviews 367 reads
posted
20 / 34
Re: Doing the math

Maybe it's boring to you, then just move along. What I find boring are the posts like:  what's your favorite song? Favorite  band? Favorite  color ?   Or... I'm back from my cruise .    Who fucking cares  about that shit?  It's a DISCUSSION  BOARD for Christ's sake. It's an open  forum.  Unless you want to dictate the topics....

The board is yours.....   go ahead and post.

And BTW... I find this board too be boring much of the time. So fucking what???

vorlon 119 Reviews 417 reads
posted
21 / 34
25 threads to a page - find one more to your interest (e)


END OF MESSAGE

Drumsticks 90 Reviews 381 reads
posted
22 / 34
It's not tax free income for the Provider. OP, I realize you didn't say that in your post...

... and assumed the Provider does pay income taxes but a few posts mentioned that it's tax free income. Any independent small business operator who deals mostly in cash payments, has a lot of flexibility in choosing how much income to report at tax time. I think of a handy man type of business where someone can provide all sorts of services like small construction jobs, home repair, lawn & landscaping, snow removal, etc. where payment is often made in cash and the business owner chooses how much to report based on how little they feel they can away with. Paying no taxes on significant income with no withholdings will eventually draw the attention of the IRS and result in tax and legal trouble.  

Providers likely cannot claim travel and wardrobe expenses as tax deductible. Maybe some mileage expenses if they provide outcall services but frequent air travel around the country or internationally would come under close IRS scrutiny and, if allowed, only those costs which exceed a certain percentage of the income threshold would be deductible. Same as for wardrobe; a Provider who lists her occupation as Personal Assistant, Personal Trainer or Event Organizer can argue that they are required by their profession to dress in a certain manner, as am I and so as many or most of us here but our wardrobe costs aren't deductible and, if they are, only those costs which exceed the designated threshold are deductible. I recall a case several years ago where a stripper had to go to court to argue that the cost of her breast implants should be considered a business expense as a necessary cost of her ability to earn income. The IRS felt differently but I think she eventually prevailed.  

Decriminalization of prostitution likely wouldn't result in extra taxes, fees or regulations. Legalization of prostitution likely would. The government (state & local most likely) would impose licensing fees, background checks, intrusive medical evaluations and public disclosure of a Provider's real name and address and record keeping of client's names and dates of appointments. Also, it may require a Provider to follow standard anti-discrimination laws and require her to provide her services to anyone without regard to her own personal discretion.  

Is this thread a great example of wut many ladies would describe as 'mansplaining' ?!  :D

darmody 22 Reviews 348 reads
posted
23 / 34
Re: It's not tax free income for the Provider. OP, I realize you didn't say that in your post...

"Is this thread a great example of wut many ladies would describe as 'mansplaining' ?"

1. No
2. Who cares?

RickBMN 65 Reviews 259 reads
posted
24 / 34
Wrong! He actually did write that....

Actually, the OP did NOT assume in his original post that providers pay income taxes.  Under his subtitle Independent Provider Income, he wrote, “Cash business no taxes….”  His assumption about paying taxes was above that where he did his breakdown of numbers to support his claim that one needs a $104K annual income to see a $300 hooker.  (I am paraphrasing.)

Your comparison of a provider to the small businesses you referenced is not really accurate. (Yes, there are always the exceptions but not as a general rule.)  Those small business operators are likely registered as a business with the secretary of state.  As such, they are required to file (and pay as required)  quarterly tax documents with the MN Dept of Revenue.  They will have Federal and State tax ID numbers, so they are on the radars of both federal and state tax collection agencies.

A provider who is not registered as a business will be invisible to those agencies if she does not file a tax return (or report provider income on another return).  And if no one claims they are paying a provider (or her business) in a Form 1099 (or other form), then neither the IRS nor the MN Dept of Revenue will know of the financial transaction(s) and cannot demand a tax payment.  So if the provider does not file a tax return, her income is tax free.  The government cannot just come to a provider’s house and put the burden of proof on her to prove she is not paying taxes.  

The small businesses you referenced will likely have a lot of deductions to take, so my guess is they’re filing returns and lessening their tax liability via deductions and credits.  Yes, any cash business can always decide how much income to claim when it files tax returns.  And there are all kinds of guys doing side jobs who don’t claim that income.  But in this case, the OP is talking about a provider’s sole source of income (as I infer based on his numbers).  

Lots of providers have a job outside the hobby and partake in the hobby to supplement their income.  My guess is that they report income on their primary job (because their employers issue a W2 or 1099) but do not claim income from the hobby.  That makes their hobby income tax free.

I’ve helped a number of providers set up a business and record keeping so they can report provider income.  This is very important if this is their primary source of income because they need to show their income and tax returns for a number of things (buying / renting a house, buying a car, etc.)

I’ve also helped many file their taxes (based on their numbers).  Some of them not only pay zero in taxes, but they actually get a refund because of credits.  Yep… the tax code is that fucked up.  A woman can make a good sum of money (“good sum” is arbitrary), pay no taxes and get money back from those of us who actually pay taxes.  So, yes, their income is tax free.    If a provider does establish a business and claim income, then she might or might not have a tax liability depending on a number of things.

Do you really think if prostitution were decriminalized the cities and state would not require fees and impose regulations?  That’s what usually happens.  Perhaps we’re parsing words here.  I don’t think they would decriminalize (or legalize) without imposing rules and regulations, which are nothing more than hidden taxes.

I don’t see this as “mansplaining” at all.  Unless you think a woman is not intelligent enough to understand the subject matter

funman1969 9 Reviews 258 reads
posted
25 / 34
Re: Wrong! He actually did write that....

Good to see someone has some common sense to weed through the BS.   As i a predicted no providers has offered to to discount nor have they countered anyone's points on reported income ,hmm rather telling don't you think.    Yeah maybe we as men want it decriminalized, but do the providers ? Seriously doubt from evidence wheres the campaign  here in Minne? . Reward is much  to great to the risk for all the economists out there.  They are very happy being in black market.  Prove me wrong
 

Posted By: RickBMN
Actually, the OP did NOT assume in his original post that providers pay income taxes.  Under his subtitle Independent Provider Income, he wrote, “Cash business no taxes….”  His assumption about paying taxes was above that where he did his breakdown of numbers to support his claim that one needs a $104K annual income to see a $300 hooker.  (I am paraphrasing.)  
   
 Your comparison of a provider to the small businesses you referenced is not really accurate. (Yes, there are always the exceptions but not as a general rule.)  Those small business operators are likely registered as a business with the secretary of state.  As such, they are required to file (and pay as required)  quarterly tax documents with the MN Dept of Revenue.  They will have Federal and State tax ID numbers, so they are on the radars of both federal and state tax collection agencies.  
   
 A provider who is not registered as a business will be invisible to those agencies if she does not file a tax return (or report provider income on another return).  And if no one claims they are paying a provider (or her business) in a Form 1099 (or other form), then neither the IRS nor the MN Dept of Revenue will know of the financial transaction(s) and cannot demand a tax payment.  So if the provider does not file a tax return, her income is tax free.  The government cannot just come to a provider’s house and put the burden of proof on her to prove she is not paying taxes.  
   
 The small businesses you referenced will likely have a lot of deductions to take, so my guess is they’re filing returns and lessening their tax liability via deductions and credits.  Yes, any cash business can always decide how much income to claim when it files tax returns.  And there are all kinds of guys doing side jobs who don’t claim that income.  But in this case, the OP is talking about a provider’s sole source of income (as I infer based on his numbers).  
   
 Lots of providers have a job outside the hobby and partake in the hobby to supplement their income.  My guess is that they report income on their primary job (because their employers issue a W2 or 1099) but do not claim income from the hobby.  That makes their hobby income tax free.  
   
 I’ve helped a number of providers set up a business and record keeping so they can report provider income.  This is very important if this is their primary source of income because they need to show their income and tax returns for a number of things (buying / renting a house, buying a car, etc.)  
   
 I’ve also helped many file their taxes (based on their numbers).  Some of them not only pay zero in taxes, but they actually get a refund because of credits.  Yep… the tax code is that fucked up.  A woman can make a good sum of money (“good sum” is arbitrary), pay no taxes and get money back from those of us who actually pay taxes.  So, yes, their income is tax free.    If a provider does establish a business and claim income, then she might or might not have a tax liability depending on a number of things.  
   
 Do you really think if prostitution were decriminalized the cities and state would not require fees and impose regulations?  That’s what usually happens.  Perhaps we’re parsing words here.  I don’t think they would decriminalize (or legalize) without imposing rules and regulations, which are nothing more than hidden taxes.  
   
 I don’t see this as “mansplaining” at all.  Unless you think a woman is not intelligent enough to understand the subject matter.  
 

vorlon 119 Reviews 203 reads
posted
26 / 34
Re: Wrong! He actually did write that....

I wouldn't draw too much of a conclusion about the lack of provider responses; they often don't respond even when asked and most people don't usually like to talk about their income and taxes publicly.

RickBMN 65 Reviews 338 reads
posted
27 / 34
Agree with you and funman.....

But you are correct . .. hard to draw any inferences from lack  of provider input on these private matters. And the way the thread is composed, it's  more of  an informative  conversation than interrogative.

funman1969 9 Reviews 245 reads
posted
28 / 34
Re: Agree with you and funman.....

Im not interogating just pointing out reality.  They would chime in if they knew what I was saying was false on income reporting or legalization matters .Lest their inage be tarnished.  I just call it as i see it.  You all know if Wong would have wrote that hed be labeled  a woman hater by them on here.  By the way i dont give a shit if the do or not. Just dont expect me to by this logic all i sayin.

Posted By: RickBMN
But you are correct . .. hard to draw any inferences from lack  of provider input on these private matters. And the way the thread is composed, it's  more of  an informative  conversation than interrogative.

RickBMN 65 Reviews 249 reads
posted
29 / 34
Perhaps a misunderstanding ?

I didn't mean to imply that you were questioning. My point was that the overall thread is more of a conversation than it is asking providers for their feedback. But I agree with your premise completely.  Not sure what logic you think you are being asked to buy into.  I just see this thread as a high-level discussion about how lucrative the hobby can be for  the women  and the fact that it's even more so because they (likely) don't pay income taxes.  

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funman1969 9 Reviews 225 reads
posted
30 / 34
Re: Perhaps a misunderstanding ?

No sweat man not directed at you personally. You hit spot on .  The thought that anyof these ideas are going to make any differece is nonsence and that is what im not buying into.  Its just a distraction from real relevant issues going on here currently.  Now let them get back to catchy name for curreny situation they dont want to really talk about. Whether it was intended for providerprovider feed back or not  , moot point fact is they are silent and  we both know why  . We are right.  

Posted By: RickBMN
I didn't mean to imply that you were questioning. My point was that the overall thread is more of a conversation than it is asking providers for their feedback. But I agree with your premise completely.  Not sure what logic you think you are being asked to buy into.  I just see this thread as a high-level discussion about how lucrative the hobby can be for  the women  and the fact that it's even more so because they (likely) don't pay income taxes.    
   
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breast_man_06 45 Reviews 259 reads
posted
31 / 34
Um NO!

You say you are Libertarian and then say this "regulated and taxed" you sir are no Libertarian! Taxation is theft!

Posted By: Its_My_Money
Minnesota ranks 10th in the nation with average income of $45,265 per full time wage earner  
   
 $25 hr x 40 hrs = $1,000 wk = $52,000 yr minus 25% taxes (state, fed, ss)    
 52,000 - 13,000 taxes = $39,000 net disposable income  
 $25 x 8 hrs = $200 per day after tax $150 per day disposable income  
   
 $2,000 wk = $104,000 per year  
   
 $104,000 = $300 net per day  
 I'm a Libertarian and fully believe in free will and freedom of choice... but  
 In my opinion a man needs to earn $104,000 yr to see $300 hr providers  
 Bottom line:  High end providers are best left to High end earners.  
   
 Independent Provider Income  
 1 client a day at $300 five days a week = $1500 wk = $78,000 yr  
 Cash business no taxes however a provider spends 30% on advertising, travel, wardrobe ect.  
 78,000 - 23,400 = $54,600 net disposable income  
 Nice Hobby  
   
 I'm not telling anyone how to run their business/hobby, but it seems to me if providers focused  
 more on their daily or weekly earnings rather than hourly earnings everyone would be happier.  
   
 I also believe the hobby should be decriminalized, regulated and taxed.  
 Again I think everyone would be safer and happier.  
   
 What say you?  
   
   
   
 

RickBMN 65 Reviews 259 reads
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Yes! I agree with you. Wish more people would voice concerns..

I'm willing to pay taxes for essential services, but since the current budgets spend 60% or more on welfare and social programs that are only give aways... we have gone far past taxing for essential services.  It's all about using other people's money to get and retain power.

Wongbater 40 Reviews 169 reads
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Thank you RIckBMN for stating

the obvious.  The giggly jiggly posts are, well, just a waste of time except the advertising venue...

nobodysfool2007 1 Reviews 199 reads
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Re: Yea, could you picture a providers IRS audit ?

IRS : So you have listed your income at 100,00.
Provider : That is correct

IRS : You have listed deductions totally 75,000 Can you please explain the deductions ?
Provider : Yes, well I had advertising expenses of $$$ and clothing expenses at VS for $$$
and health protection expenses of $$, and Transportation expense of $$$. Then there is the medical expenses of $$$, and then there is the write off for dining out, and lets see, o yea, then
there is the expense for managerial fees, and then there is the deductions for personal care such as getting my nails done, hair dresser, massages, and O I almost forget ! my trips to warmer climates for mental health breaks.  

IRS : what kind of business are you conducting ?
Provider : umm, entertaining clients with my special talents, and good looks.

IRS : Ummm yea, well we are going to deny your deductions so you owe this much $$$$ tax
to Uncle Sam. LOL
No wonder most providers do not attempt to list honestly, their total income, and even more so, they don't want to talk about it, or have it made public, because if LE cannot get them on prostitution, the IRS will get them on Tax Evasion, or Ricco ?
Yes, We are Correct in our general conclusions about providers, their income, and paying taxes, and the Silence of providers.  
Posted By: funman1969
 
 No sweat man not directed at you personally. You hit spot on .  The thought that anyof these ideas are going to make any differece is nonsence and that is what im not buying into.  Its just a distraction from real relevant issues going on here currently.  Now let them get back to catchy name for curreny situation they dont want to really talk about. Whether it was intended for providerprovider feed back or not  , moot point fact is they are silent and  we both know why  . We are right.    
   
Posted By: RickBMN
I didn't mean to imply that you were questioning. My point was that the overall thread is more of a conversation than it is asking providers for their feedback. But I agree with your premise completely.  Not sure what logic you think you are being asked to buy into.  I just see this thread as a high-level discussion about how lucrative the hobby can be for  the women  and the fact that it's even more so because they (likely) don't pay income taxes.    
     
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