Well woodshop its not a disaster, it works for Jimmymack. Try thinking out of the box, itll open a whole new world.
Pre covid, it was easily possible to contact, get a response, get screened and set up one or two dates a week.
Now, even with references, higher rates, and screening that includes real IDs, it has become hit or miss in getting a first response or continuing to pass the steps all the way to a safe meeting between well known legit providers and vetted vax'd clients.
Ready to hang it up,
On the bright side at least your getting emailed back.
Somewhere during the time TER was blocking access to the site from the U.S. It can be very frustrating.
Frustrating is correct. Even having seen many providers, even having done many reviews and being able to provide references. However will hold the line against personal info. ID, or work history. If that's the deal breaker then so be it.
That's the biggest issue for me as well. Handing out PII is just too risky in my view.
Way to risky to give out personal info.
I've seen some things over the years that made me go "thank god she does not have my personal info". Some right on this platform.
One that stands out is a traveling provider who I saw in MN and after in a few times in different cities I worked travel to. She was a spectacular fuck, spectacular! but likely had some bi-polar issues. About 6 months after our last meeting I found out that she was arrested as part of a kidnapping and I believe ransom blackmail or case where weapons were involved. It was a national case and a heap of trouble followed. She did not seem like that type but was wild and probably crazy enough. Clients (from her records) were drug in to the investigation and she was later charged and still now in jail. Thank god she only knew me by my handle!!
Giving out personal info is like starting the clock on a bomb and you don't know the detonation time.
Agree with wingman, draw the line at handing out personal information.
that do not want to provide the necessary information that some want to feel comfortable enough sharing access to their person in a private setting with another individual. So yes, I will agree it is more difficult.
Ironically, my mom and I were talking about screening yesterday. She asked me if I see everyone who "checks out". I informed her that screening is like a weighted grade: 35% is the "term final": checking out the info provided to determine if they are who they say they are. 55% are the other assignments: tone of emails, boundary pushing in emails, sending lists of activities that HAVE to be done (usually within the minimum date time). 10% is a "vibe check": what does your intuition tell you. A person can pass the "final" but realistically flunk the class. I know for me, there have been people who have passed screening and their references were decent (re: they have had some minor issues in the past) but if that internal alarm goes off, if after thinking about it for a day or two I'm still uneasy about it, then I'm not going to see the person. That could be happening for some people.
I did see a provider change how they take P411 for screening that makes people feel a bit more easy if they feel weird about providing PII. They said it's not only improved their P411 clientele but it's made screening easier. I'm considering implementing that policy but then again, their business, their rules. Either play the game, find someone else to play with, or hang it up.
It is much more likely for a provider to be assaulted, cheated, stalked or blackmailed by a client than the other way around.
No matter what clients personal boundaries are, it seems fair to take that into account when commenting on the reasonableness of what providers' ask for their safety.
Perhaps a dozen providers have gotten my personal ID over the last 7 years or so. The sky did not fall. I have been ripped off two times; anecdotally-those people did not know my personal details.
Anyway, my only point in starting this thread was to say that even with references, reviews, and willingness to pass security, looking for appointments has gotten really hard.
but for those following along, again in this thread, why does every comment by you regarding screening bring P411 into focus in what seems some negative way? I don't even know what your coded p411 words mean other than it seems another hit piece or 3rd person irrelevant jumble.
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I wasn't being negative about P411. Many of the gentlemen of MN TER have indicated they do not give out real information, work information, ID, etc. because they have P411. That being said, I am simply stating that an established provider, who delisted and who has been in the business much longer than I have, has implemented a different way of screening P411 gentlemen that has filtered out those who are on P411 *and* heavily blacklisted. Which is a positive thing... a good thing. I would hope we all would think that's a good thing.
Not to beat a dead horse but why are so many people consistently complaining about rates, screening, etc in some negative way? It seems like there is an axe to grind? These questions are rhetorical of course.
To my knowledge, the boards were created to not only engage in fun discussions but to also exchange information, provide insight into different topics, and to shed light on both the good and the bad of this industry from both the client sides *and* the provider side. As I've said before, I like P411 but that doesn't mean it doesn't have it's flaws... like so many other things. That said, have a great day and be blessed.
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Look back in your post history, you keep bringing the same issue over and over regarding P411, many times unprovoked and act like it is a HUGE problem when it's likely less chance than being struck by lightening. In this case it had no correlation to the subject but you tossed it out anyway based on hearsay from a "delisted (from TER) provider who is been in the business longer than" you. What cred do you expect that to have? You also never answered previous questions as to how many blacklisted people you are finding there out of 10's of thousands? If you are making these accusations you should at least know how many.
I can assert there are 10's of thousands of members of P411 that see providers with no additional screening and neither party has any issues. That probably has more cred than what you are consistently claiming.
If I started a thread that said providers on Twitter are crooks, thieves and con-artist based on one or two experiences out of hundreds or thousands you'd be the first to launch into a 6 paragraph tirade. Does that make any sense? I have no problem with your other posts but if you keep making inflammatory statement about a platform I find very useful and the best out there for both sides I'm going to call you out.
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Actually, it did have correlation to the subject but if reading comprehension isn't something you want to engage in, that's fine. Please note, I am not a P411 admin. I cannot guess how many clients in total that have been vetted by P411 that have subsequently been blacklisted. I can only assess the data regarding how many people that are both on P411 & blacklisted that reached out to me. I'm not sure why I have to provide the numbers for you to believe me; however, since you seem willing to die on this hill, here's what I got for you.
From June 1st, 2021 to August 31st, 2021, I have had 53 unique "Appointment Requests" from P411. In this instance, "unique" means 1 individual client as I am not counting clients who sent multiple requests. The "Appointment Requests" were from across the country as I traveled quite extensively this summer. Out of those 53 "Appointment Requests", 28 were blacklisted. That means 52.8% were blacklisted. Out of the 28 blacklisted, 22 were blacklisted for what we could consider "minor" issues such as bad hygiene, being late, overstaying, needy/clingy, etc. Out of the 28 that were blacklisted, 6 were blacklisted for "major" issues such as stealthing, boundary pushing, harassment, NCNS, etc.
Although I can understand and appreciate *why* you defend P411 so vehemently, *As I've said before, I like P411, but that doesn't mean it is by any means perfect.* My feedback and opinions regarding P411 are far from inflammatory. It's literally just my experience with the platform. I'm not entirely sure how you find that to be inflammatory and how it causes you such agitation that you have to post under your alias, but I think we both can agree that 52.8% isn't "one or two experiences". Now, hopefully, you can see my side of the argument as well as I have been seeing yours.
And as an aside, regarding Twitter providers... all I'd say is do your research. *winks*
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If I had that kind of %, I'd get off the platform and never go back, period. Given we went from "a delisted providers info" to suddenly your real world info, I'm skeptical and it does not really add up. There are 10's of thousand of members, have you ever considered your blacklist issues are too stringent or not accurate? Nothing is 100% and I could guarantee many of these blacklist sites have a high percentage of BS just like many of the reviews here are corrupted by various motives.
If all this is true, it appears you should not be using the platform...but to continue to with a claimed 52.8% blacklist rate seems stupid and beating the dead horse seems like no help at all.
Good luck is all I can say, I'll continue to use my 10+ year history and stellar ok's.
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that you now make zero sense *laughs*. As I've said before, there are pros and cons to P411; there is good and bad. The pros outweigh the cons because even though that 3 month snapshot of data is telling, I would need at least another year of data before I make a final decision. And *AGAIN*, why delist from P411 when there are multiple ways to screen P411 clients outside of P411.
Maybe you should talk to P411. THEY are the ones encouraging us to do more screening anytime one of you sends us an appointment request. I digress.
Good luck to you is all I can say. And congratulations for 10+ years of being a client and stellar okays. Although, it's normally not a great indicator when someone has to pull that card.
N.B. What I would love to see P411 implement is the ability for providers to add "notes" to their "Okays" that are only visible to other providers.
The entire scene has changed. Regulars from 4 years ago are gone and the replacements are oblivious to our requests. Once stood up and twice ignored. It looks like providers are sticking with their regulars from 4 years ago for safety and ignoring the rest of us.
Being a client mmy safety is my top priority, also concerned of provider safety.I generally hobby at my place. A home in the suburbs. Very seldom doing incall. I don't fall for the prepay deposit, thats for fools. I'll maybe send a pic that it's no other info needs to be known by a hooker. I don't have much problem getting a girl to cum by. Sure ive had girls show up at my door that look nothing like there photo, I give them $20 for gas and tell them to not misrepresent themselves. I don't know what guys do to scam these gals, its seems like there mostly in control, and be able to judge things pretty good when they pull up, but there making the money ill let them take the chances. Only time ive ever had any problems with the hobby is doing incall, and that includes robbed at gun point in Atlanta in a upscale hotel. Anyway thats my perspective.
Inviting a provider to the home where you live seems like a disaster waiting to happen....but if it works..... When her BF or "friends" case your place, wait until you leave and rob you blind or worse rob and burns it down...I guess you have insurance.
She does not look like the pictures so you give her $20 and send her away reminds me of an old proverb: Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
I'd rather she's pissed off at Hilton room 430 than me at 280 Washington Street.
Stay safe!
Well woodshop its not a disaster, it works for Jimmymack. Try thinking out of the box, itll open a whole new world.
Why do you think letting a provider know where you live is safe? All it takes is one experience that goes sideways with an unscrupulous provider to put you into a bad situation.
I'm assuming, although I could be wrong here, is that most providers he invites to his house are regulars or highly reviewed. If that's not true, then he really needs to analyze that particular option.
He mentions sending providers away because they used fake pics in their ads so that says to me these weren't providers he'd seen before.
Why do you think going to an incall is safe? I have great security including canine also firearms that I know how to use. How safe are you with your pants down and dick out at a unfamiliar incall.
While I agree either could be risky, for me unless it's someone I've seen before or has highly rated reviews, I would be cautious of a first-timer coming to my actual home. I've read stories about people casing peoples homes and coming back later to break in and you have to remember a decent amount of girls do drugs( and Im not talking about smoking a little weed). I agree incall could be tricky as well, which is if a provider is hosting at a sketchy location I'll pass, especially if I've never ever seen her before.
Personally finding a hooker shouldn't be so hard. I,'ve been around for awhile.And years ago hooker use to walk the street or certain hotels were known to have girls working the bars for Johns. This had 2 benefits 1st no lying about what they look like, 2nd negotiate price rite there. Cops had better things to do than harass Johns or hookers unless there were other problems. It worked well and had been done way for years.The price was more affordable, and if you liked the girl you'd get her number for the future.Now guys are paying car pmts for an hour of banging a ho, ridicules. There ads tell you how educated they are( mostly bull shit ) and what kind of gifts, food, and liquor they like and may require an expensive meal also. Hey my requirements are be clean, on time, know how to suck cock,duke, and satisfy a man very simple being thats your job. End of story
Yea, I love the shit they list as gifts. Always the most expensive stuff they can find on the googles because theyre "high end" and nobodies gonna buy that shit for them anyway when theyre charging excessive rates. Personally, I can t see anybody wanting to pay over $500 to bang a girl that looks like she could play nose tackle for the Vikings but whatever floats your boat.