That providers really have all the orgasms with us that they claim they do? Are you kidding me? They work for tips. They'll tell us anything to suck more money out of us...

that they flatter us for more than just the money.  I think that, within the parameters of the fantasy we are playing out, most good providers actually are in the moment and do care how we feel, so they flatter us.  

At least that's been my experience...or else I am a total naif!  I don't think they're all cynical money-grubbers.

My two cents.

I tend to see the same providers multiple times.

There are times when, the same provider, has faked an orgasm with me and times when she has had a genuine orgasm.  Sometimes you can tell for certain due to physiological reactions that cannot be faked, sometimes you are just guessing.

There is a provider I see who simply doesn't fake orgasms.  If she reacts such that she is having one, she is having one.  If she does not have one, she doesn't react that way.  Sometimes she has one with me sometimes, she doesn't.

Just because a provider doesn't have an orgasm, doesn't mean she isn't enjoying herself.  I have had sessions without having an orgasm myself and found them to be great experiences.  Sometimes you are too tired or drunk to climax.

There are also providers who fake orgasms, badly.  If I have been going down on her for 30 seconds and she tells me how she is cumming, well...

I was born at night, but it wasn't last night.

I have little doubt that the ladies I see would not give me a second glance without a payment, but one of the criteria I use in deciding to be a "regular" is that they seem to enjoy what they are doing irrespective of orgasms.  There is nothing worse than having sex with a woman who'd rather be doing something else.  There is a word to describe such women: Wives.

But I don't worry about it much.  If it's obviously fake then I probably won't return because it just messes with the illusion too much.  I'm also under no illusion that I'm some sort of stud.  My objective (besides enjoying myself), is to be a good client (polite, clean, doesn't do stupid things to annoy or worry the lady) and I hope she does enjoy our time together on a physical level as well.

Money-Grubbing:  A veteran provider told me that the primary subject discussed in conversations with other providers is money (e.g., how to make more, how to invest for better returns, how to advertise better, how to identify new markets, how to cut-down overhead costs). In order to illustrate her point about the importance of money for women, the veteran provider scratched her fingers together as if there were coins in her hand.

I had a provider tell me the opposite once:

A group of them were talking about what they liked best about the hobby, and one said,"Opening the envelope, throwing the bills on the bed, and rolling around in them."  This provider told me that story with what I would judge to be genuine disgust.

Takes all types.

Sometimes its a matter of how much time is available. If its a half hr session I'm probably not concerned unless its a by-product of what I need, and sometimes that happens. If its an hour, and because I enjoy DATY, it is expected, and not as easy for her to fake it as she might think. But its a definite negative if she pretends and its obvious.

But when you say she is working for tips then I would suggest you are also seeing the wrong kinda provider if its important to you. Most providers, if they expect regular clients, have flat all inclusive rates and do not necessarily expect a tip.  Its more important to them that you leave with weak legs and a smile on your face.

I approach each session with the idea that I want my client to FEEL good the whole time he/she is here.  It does not make me feel good to be lied to or faked to, so I won't do it.  I tried once, and I felt so NOT me.  It was lame.  I won't do it again.  Thanks to one of my ATFs, I have two rules: 1. If there's something you don't like, let me know (and I'll do the same), and 2. If there's something you DO like or want, let me know (and I'll do the same).

Sometimes CBJ does not cut it, and I want to know, or I need to go softer or harder or wait or whatever.  I really want to know these things, and I love it.  I have never heard otherwise from guys either.  You guys want to know what makes me feel good, I'll tell you.  And it is different depending on how I'm feeling.  As for DATY, I love it, totally love it.  I won't get off that way, but I love it.  I don't even approach my sessions thinking it is my job to get a client off or that my job is done when they do.  Not for a second do I treat it that way.  But I make a damn good effort at that, because I know that makes us feel good.  However, be it hormones, age, performance anxiety, whatever, some people are not going to get off. I don't feel bad, because then they'd feel bad.  And believe me, I know it is not my fault.  The same goes for me.  For whatever mental reason, my brain won't let me get off with DATY.  It is NOT for lack of effort on the client's part, ever...

So, we are kinda back to the golden rule

............ In fact, yesterday on the General Board there was a thread about this same topic and one provider said simply, that she is responsible for creating the fantasy and the experience and that all she expects the client to do is show up on time with the proper donation and be showered, groomed and ready to have fun.  Several ladies agreed with that post and so do I.  
I want to please a woman I am with as many of us do, but in the end we are paying for them to give us the experience.  And my "stud" days are long over too!!!

All providers are money-grubbers.

All hobbyists secretly hate women.

I figure I've met between 60 and 80 Providers so far, and the only thing they ALL were is female (I checked). A few were money-grubbers. But I do my research so that's only a few. At least a few faked an orgasm, some pretty obviously. But I've never heard a woman suggest I should tip because she had (or faked) a good O.

There's a strong undercurrent of misogyny running through TER discussion boards, viz the OP. Yet the women I've talked to say most hobbyists are polite and respectful and don't appear to hold providers in contempt.

Someone said when Providers meet they talk about business. Well DUH! It is a business. Why shouldn't they? I've attended M&Gs and had lunch from time to time with a number of hobbyists and the subject of money always comes up. Bragging about the provider who gave him a special rate, or extra time, or even met him off the clock, is a favorite pastime. Doesn't mean we're all trying to cheat them out of their livelihood.

It just beats the heck out of me why anyone would bitch because a woman tries to make us feel good about ourselves. It's what we are paying them to do, isn't it?

it may be the caliper of women you see.

In fact,  when I'm in the right frame of mind, I can think myself into an orgasm......no touching needed.  

I obviously can't speak for anyone else though.

......... I'd rather not fake it. If i'm not going to cum i'll make him aware of it (sometimes I can take a while) but when a gent goes down on me I'm hoping for the real thing. I'm not super vocal when i'm getting licked but when I'm REALLY cumming you're gonna know it! I don't cum with every client but more often than not I do many times.  

And working for tips? Um lol I think you just confused us with waitresses and/or strippers or something.

Why did I just get really turned on by someone's grammar getting corrected?

All I can say is if I found my way to a friction joint, I might not ever leave...

You all remember it. It's the joke about how you can tell when a woman's had an orgasm.

Insensitive, misogynistic punchline: who cares?

Well, I do, but it's not the most important thing on my mind. I've had my fingers get squeezed by tightening muscles (in fact, I've had my whole fist get squeezed a couple of times), and I've had providers twist away while laughing and gasping. It's nice. It makes me feel good to give someone pleasure. I love to watch a woman come. Still, when it comes right down to it, making a woman come is not what I love about eating pussy. I love the sensual experience of it: taste, touch, smell, being that close. I love to do it; it's one of the things I look for in providers. The provider coming, like I said, is nice, but it's a by-product of my enjoyment. If the provider doesn't come, I don't feel too bad; there is still compensation.

Also, if they fake it well, i.e., letting me do it for a while instead of "coming" after 30 seconds, sometimes that's just them politely requesting that I move along. That I don't mind either. It's the theatrical ones that kind of bother me. I'd prefer not to have my intelligence insulted with the suggestion that men think of the female orgasm as a dance number. Like other posters have noted, I know I'm no stud; treating me like one is kind of a subtle cheap shot, like I'm so typical that the usual routine is good enough. That's what makes me not repeat with a provider.

Bottom line: in my reviews, I mention orgasmic moments, but I rarely claim they absolutely were. And when I read reviews, I read accounts of (female) orgasms with a level of skepticism. It's not what I read a review for. I'm looking for menu, personality, demeanor, etc.

I adore you

I really appreciate that attitude in clients. It makes sessions fun and not stressful and expectant. Being realistic means there's room for me to dazzle. There are some that come acting like they've just stepped off the GQ magazine photo shoot to allow me an audience. I want to dazzle and amaze ;P

Everbody likes to think they are ringing the bell.  And I sure want the lady to enjoy herself.  But the main reason I see ladies is to enjoy myself.  What can I say, I can be selfish. What are they supposed to tell me, your fat, ugly, and can't eat pussy worth a shit?  One lady pulled back from DATY so fast and hard she slid right off the other side of the bed.  I like to think I got that one.   LOL.

I was just teasing a little!

quoderat- Maybe it is because you are the self appointed grammar police of a fuck board.
Now, there is something to aspire to..........

Absolutely!  It is ALL about pleasing you gents!  Even you guys who say that your greatest enjoyment is pleasing the ladies (and we love it)-- if it didn't please you to do so, you wouldn't!  We're not going to the dentist here.  Lol... I must say, though, that I understand the allure in DATY, as I've done it to completion myself, and it's fucking hot as hell!