I know many people are thinking a lot of interaction has moved to other social media and I can only state my opinion, but While I love my twitter I feel it's there as a sort of photo album of thoughts: likes and dislikes and extra info. about myself that I personally chose to share with whoever decides to follow me.

Mindy  
I know  people  get tired of hearing this, but the the board was  a friendlier  place a few years ago. Not  so much now.  

you seek to open a dialogue where it's needed
may you have he fortitude
i don't mean it as a nay say'er;  
you may have an uphill battl

If we post too much we are threADing
If we don't post enough we are shy
If we post our own opinion we are met with opposition
If we don't post often enough we are asked "why?"  

Good  response Natalie.  I have always  liked your  posts. You also  are  darn good looking.

Since I'm not much of a drinker, I never really thought of that as being part of the equation,
 I guess the same could be said about too much coffee, energy drink or just having a bad day -people sometimes do go overboard and that can also make for some good entertainment, I get what you say about if your opinion has already been expressed by others.
 I do think we are all still human (so far) so there will never be any perfect discussion, no matter what the topic..but that can be a good thing too.  
Thanks for chiming in sexXY lady

IMHO it would be fantastic to see more local providers posting opinions on this board. Years ago there was a book Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus. I for one have had my eyes opened to the other viewpoint more than once on this board.
Mindy - I do owe you an apology for offending you a while ago and so I am sorry but I sometimes need to be hit in the head to turn around.
Keep posting your opinions ARE valuable.
Also miss seeing your pictures on the photo board.

I have been here since 2001 and have seen a lot of changes. What had happened here in the last few years was bad for all. The changes that have happened in the last few weeks have me optimistically hoping they stay. When I first started it seemed like there was even numbers of posts started by guys and providers. Everyone talked and at least tolerated each other 😜. I really think if people think before they post we could get there again,

I read the board most every day and do pay particular attention to provider's posts. Over time its a pretty good way to understand interests, personality and whether or not you might like to spend time together. I am disappointed in how often providers get flamed and don't really blame them when they check out. Maybe if the community started to call out the trolls more often and do a better job of protecting everyone's right to an opinion, we'd all be better off. Thanks for posting Mindy .. communication is sexXy!!

Mind just to end up being " put in their place" or argued with to the point they give up & move on.
There are plenty of providers that don't like TER and make no secret of that, I think it's getting a bad rap but it is up to us to get it "back to good" so 2 speak & if we could all lighten up on each other, I know I made plenty of mistakes when I first started expressing myself, but I like most, live & learn.....

And that's what I'm going to do from now on. All trolls are getting called out. No more sitting back and letting it happen. I want to hear from everyone about everything even if I don't agree with it. I don't have to and won't respond to all posts unless it interests me.  

The only uphill battle is the one placed by us. We need to be more open minded here. That's the real problem is closed minded people on here.

Rochmn can you also call me pretty too? 😜 since you have called all the female posters in this thread pretty I'm felling left out😂

Ok, you're  pretty

A large part of my initial attraction to you Mindy was your open and honest posts exposing your personality.  I wish more providers could post their thoughts with out fear of degrading retribution from negative attitudes.

Nor will getting into flaming wars with them.  But if the rest of us focus on having civil discussions, even where we disagree, then the trolls will be greatly outnumbered.

Intimacy in all forms are basic human needs and drives. It comes from our 'lizard' brain at the base of the skull. It's the same place that other basic, basal emotional drives originate. The finer, higher thoughts come from higher up, closer to your forehead. A person cannot 'think' from two different areas of the brain at the same time.  

I agree that men are hard-wired to want to have sex with beautiful women.  And there are behaviors, including competitive  ones that men follow to try and make this happen.  But no small number of guys come on here and make nasty comments about the ladies for no good reason.  Escorts or not, that is not a way to increase one's chances of ending up in bed with them.

You're right a flame war is not the answer. But if we let them know their behavior is not wanted or tolerated here they will hopefully either take it down a notch or leave. Like what is said below this, some guys with their wiring might not get it but we can always hope

participate with maturity.  some great guys and gals there.  no trolls allowed.

I also come here daily. Whether I post or not, I try to read as much as I can.  

I am not terribly optimistic regarding the results but I am hopeful.

I believe your basic premise is flawed.

I wonder whatever could u mean .... ..... ........  
It's all fucking & fun  
That's all

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It absolutely is what we make of it. I agree having local Mods made it better but as you said "it is what it is" so we have to move on. With that being said all of us can make this a little better place buy not dropping to the level of the "Putz club" and bringing it back up to where it should be. No reason we can't talk about anything and tolerate it instead of bashing people down. Already there have been some fun things brought up in the board. Thank you to those that have started them and those that have responded as adults. I might be overly optimistic but I think we can have a decent board here. I know it will never be perfect but I do think we can be civil.

You are one smart lady

TER decides what posts are acceptable and what are not.  IMHO, what it is about is the rest of us refusing to let the trolls ruin things for us.  What they post says a great deal about them and very little about us.

Totally agree with anonymity as primary reason asses can be super asses. Some go as far as double anonymity with an alias to insulate themselves from consequences with providers for their behavior.  

Lighting a candle is a standard symbol for praying with you.
The trolls are here.  They are here to stay.
But I agree with Leigh Ann and you, it would be nice if the board was nicer.
Google light a candle

I mean this sincerely, and you know this, Mindy.  Maybe you've changed for the better since you're a more seasoned provider now?  I would love to be here periodically.  I don't have time in general, but once every month or two I'd love to post something creative... but haven't been since you came onto the scene as you used to really attack me and others, big time.  Many women left this board as some of the men don't want to see women here, which is absurd.  I would love it if all the women can support a healthy dialogue here, as we sure are incredibly supportive in being great references and keeping us safe that way! Certainly the women are a fantastic community behind the scenes!  

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Look I'm not going any further with this but to say, I don't feel I attacked anyone under any if my alias's
 -one that is now retired and of course now I have the new one.  

I miss her SO much. Anyway I'm sorry I was talking about the dot, dot, dot,  
Figured it was a veiled reference to me still being here, but I'll just put a lid on my assumptions & take your word at face value. Thanks for the clarification.

Elan if I remember correctlly I have seen you let your emotions get the best of you sometimes on here. Everyone does. The thing is most of us really want to move on from here and let the past be the past. No longer letting the trolls control where this board goes.  

Exactly who you, pugdog, thinks are the 2 or 3 people hashing out grudges and/or the trolls are?  Since you are rallying to make this board better who or what is it you are lobbying against?  This is a sincere question as I am interested in your perspective as you have come forward with a desire to make a difference.  I'm wondering if your list of negative jives with my list of negative.

Soooo your asking Pug to name names and point fingers on who's the trolling type?!?!??? (that in itself kinda defeats what we are trying to do)
       IMHO that could change weekly or even daily but yeah there's a couple who always seem to be intentionally, bodily controversial such as Talon, recently talking about  some innocents (TCF tellers) that don't participate on the board even naming their specific location...you know behaviour like that.....anyway it's about looking at the bigger picture & individualiy holding ourselves to a higher standard so as to keep things as postive as possible.  

that a person agrees with everything they say or do.  

Your right OTB.

You and the lap dog Pug and the Mz have a wonderful PR campaign going on for the usual fools on this board.  We don't all agree with your thoughts lately so why don't you and your company take your own advice and let posts be opinions and leave it at that?  Wow...this coming from a handle with a long posting history and review history...shocking I didn't resort to an alias.

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Ok clearly you are not as open minded like I think I am, because you keep saying the something over and over. So with that being said I'm not going to respond to this anymore, because unlike some I don't continue to beat my head into a brick wall when there is not going to be any type of change. You and your gang go right ahead and continue to think your right and I'll do what I want. Because that is clearly how you play the game, making the rules up as you go to make sure you win.

My two cents.  I am a long time client of Elan and I have enjoyed her.  Over time however as she has become more adept at the business of the hobby I have become uncomfortable.  She is an excellent business woman and she has applied her communication skills in self marketing. There is no denying she knows how to create attachment.  She always says she is here to enhance her clients.  As time has passed I have felt more like a customer she is working to attract and keep.  She has become more possessive and discouraged me from seeing other providers and spoken unkindly of them.  Mindy spoke of Elan being a Bully.  I can see that.  I have seen the controlling manipulative side of Elan entitled to lecture and condescend exposing an unpleasant narcissism.  She always demands respect but sometimes doesn't correspondingly give the same respect to me the client.  I found her post to Mindy to be condescending, lecturing, superior and reminded me of an occasional interaction with me.  I don't see Elan as much as I used for all these reasons

In this lifestyle I see a great danger in going in and hoping for attachment.  

If I have offended you in any way.  

No misunderstanding.  You create attachment with how you market yourself within the client/provider relationship.  You are extremely good at it and I congratulate you as an excellent businesswoman. You have developed a proficient business model.  We enjoy seeing each other, but over time I have come to better understand you and what I'm dealing with.  I just agreed with some of the points Mindy made about you. I just offered my opinion as a guide to current and prospective clients of yours.  It seems to me it is more of a business to you now than when we first met in your early career.

Maybe I misunderstand you.

I am known to recommend seeing these women quite often!  Just email them and they will not deny me recommending others to see them!  I describe to many men why I might like any one of these in particular.  

I am not trying to be harsh or unfair and would not continue to see you if I didn't enjoy you.  However, my point is that I have seen a change in you over time.  You are more controlling and business like.  I know you honestly think you are not creating attachment to business advantage.  My personal experience is that the mutual celebrating of life ethic you espouse has decreased over time with a greater emphasis on building your business through the creation of attachment.  In this area your boundaries are very unclear and the benefits accrue to you.  Maybe you are not even aware of this which is more appealing than if you are working your business plan.  This is an area where I feel disrespected and manipulated.  Having said all this, I am only one client and a singular experience.  It may well be different with all your other clients.  I apologize if I have misrepresented you in total.  I have and will enjoy you, just with an understanding of the changes that have occurred in my experience with you.

Dear Torkelson,  

is the complete opposite of my experience with Élan. I was one of the first people she saw when she was starting out here and I have continued to see her because of the way she conducts herself. My experiences with Élan just keep getting better, I except what she offers and never have the expectation I should be getting something more than she's willing to give me.  
 I have never been disappointed when I leave her and she has always been happy to offer recommendations when she thought I would enjoy meeting one of her friends. She has always been happy to vouch for me any time I have asked.  
 You must be a very special person if she wants you all to herself....but I suspect that your sense of attachment is causing you to see something that's not really there. Infact a client becoming attached and no longer respecting the boundaries of a provider and the boundaries of P4P is a very good reason for a provider to pull back on the experience she offers you.  
 It's unfortunate that you seem to have created this account with no reviews and no posting history just to post on this thread and that leads me to believe there is much more to your history with her than meets the eye.  
 All I know for sure is that the picture you have painted of Élan is nothing like the person I know her to be.

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You think what you are doing is trying to "change" a vast group of people and I see it as trying to control.  When I feel people try to control I will of course push back.  Especially when the control has an undertone of manipulation involved.  You say "you and your gang" I'd love to hear what you mean but I guess you decided you won't respond which is probably all the better for you.  I will however say I can put a few things together in my own mind about your angle by doing a simple search of your posting history along with the posting history of a couple other handles you support as of late.  My reason for bantering with you over the last couple days is to ensure you and "your gang" realize not everyone is a sheep to be manipulated.  You may see me as a problem or a troll or negative or whatever label you want to place on me but I see the same in you.  If you want me to I could certainly post a long ass dissertation explaining the nuances but I think it best to leave that alone for now.

Nothing is more wonderful than listening, sensing and responding in a safe environment.  

Yes, of course.

Im not looking to control or change anyone. If what I have said makes someone think before posting the nasty ass shit that has been going on here then great i did my part. And yes you have already made up your mind so im not going to waste my time trying to change it. And you have been part of the issue at times, but I have also agreed with you a lot of the time too. If you want to talk about a sheep following the asshoIe hurd look at yourself and some of your posts and look in the mirror .

Time for me to step into this thread.  I have been a client of Elan's for over a year and have enjoyed many, many great sessions with her.  The sessions have evolved over the time as I have gotten to know her - and vice versa.  She is an incredibly intelligent person who is passionate about the hobby.  This world - and especially this hobby - is a better place because of Elan Montage!


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The old deflect, inflate your worth, blame, and deflect again routine.  A sorry and tired version of debate.  I thought you said you wouldn't respond anymore.  Liar.  

But do you ever not post a response, with your great insight, just because you think the responses may not be positive?  I honestly think some threads are more telling by who doesn't respond vs who does respond.  Just an honest and sincere question.

Although I have never had a sensual experience with Elan,  we do meet and talk occasionally.  
Elan is a woman interested in creating pleasure, both in the hobby and in her personal life.  
She would only pull back if she felt there was a need to do so.  Perhaps the Torkelson  
character has become attached to Elan and she is not willing or able to reciprocate.  
Unreciprocated feelings hurt the heart and would cause one to lash out.   That is natural
as we are human beings with complex (or not so complex) needs, desires, interests, and
feelings.   I would urge Torkelson to evaluate his feelings before continuing in the hobby.  
No matter which provider he sees,  he has to be able to keep separate the deepest levels  
of emotional attachment.   This is not meant to be "Love Connection".   The feelings should  
stop at casual friendship.

Could say the same about you here wong.

Funny how you seem to have diarrhea of the mouth and can't seem to shut up. Vorlon might respond a lot like you claim but at least hes not rude like you have been. But keep talking so people can see your true colors.

The Good, the Bad, & the Ugly are restricting their arguments of which is which to one thread. Now THAT's an accomplishment!

You responded like I figured you would.  So sad when we could really debate after all.

It would be even better if you gave an opinion LC.

I certainly don't expect everyone to agree with me and I figure that no matter how many positive responses I get to my posts, there are some who don't agree, whether they post or not.

So since you seem to know all, you clearly know you are no longer debating. You have reached the point of just trying to put me down and be rude. You passed the debating line several posts ago.  

What happened to your wanting to create a sense of community on this board.  
IMO, you are one of the worst offenders.  

Wong is in it for Wong and could care less about anyone else.  His sense of community is if his 2 heads agree, nothing more nothing less.  He has proved that over and over just on this thread alone.

Trinity once warned me against seeing new people.. unseasoned clients.  She told me there are a number of reasons for this.  

How dare you? You were advising people not to see me because of rumours?!?  
Wow.  
And danger? Are you effing kidding me!?!?  
Look élan I've things going on so I haven't been able to reply to your private message to me but you going on here to publicly admit that you advised people against seeing me.....well that's just ridiculous!!  
        It must be all fun and games when you run with the popular crowd (or as you like to put it the top girls) IMHO  
mean-er girls ya'all could star in ..... but you need a reality check  
Speaking out & venting when I was getting harassed does not give you the right to advise people or further continue those "romours"
 you know NOTHING of me or what I've gone thru on a personal level from some providers, supposed "sisters" you & I haven't ever so much has glanced at each other or met in person.  

WOW Elan,  

Elan..I have not met you but have seen Mindy many times over the last 3 years including a recent weekend together.  She has introduced  me to other providers and has only had good things to say about other providers when I ask.    Mindy is a joy to be with !

Smh

At the risk of being accused of being a "white knight" I have to come to the defense of Mindy. I think I have spent enough time with her to vouch for her integrity. She's never discouraged me to see any other provider nor has she ever gossiped about other providers. So I can't understand how someone who's never met her warn others to avoid her because of some rumors she's heard.  I rest my case.

... and that things sound good now.  Over a year ago rumors were absolutely nuts and I could make hide nor tail of any of it, and some of them in the mix were proven to be true.  Some we'll never know, only the originators know.  

here was allot of smoke about a year and a year and a half ago and all those "good intentions" along with the big "Max" scare was happening at the same time... so many people thought you were actually Max.  That I'll never know, maybe somebody has gotten that bad memory figured out and hopefully it is just that from this point forward... a bad memory of that weird "Max" intimidation going out to all the gals.  The final one being you and your bestie.  Then it all ended.  We all saw the smoke and allot of it surrounded you Mindy.  That Max and "good intentions" was a scary combo. I am just saying that now that both of those are blown over for a long time, maybe it's safe to be on this board again.  Maybe.  It would be nice.  Almost every provider was harassed by whoever Max was.  Weird, confusing, frieghtening and coincidental days back then.  I think many pulled back after that.  Some of the women left entirely back then.

ery provider knows this.  Every provider got the Max messages.  Weird ass shit back then.  Everyone was wondering who the heck it was. I was coincidentally or not coincidentally a good time to be all about "good intentions" while the Max stuff was around.

I talked with several providers at the time and was pulled in on it too. I was also threatened of being outed. I do have it narrowed down to 2 or 3 people it could be and that was as far as I could figure it out.  And I can tell you who it wasn't easier then who it was and I know Mindy was not part of it at all. But for you to just ASSUME things because your gals told you is really irresposible of you. Makes you wonder how you run the rest of your life if your like that here.

also why so many women left the board, or left the hobby, in part or in total.  

Anyone who knows me knows better and anytime I ever caught the slightest hint of this rumor -I would mention the rumor of me being max to the guys I know & it was immediately dismissed as ludicrous -so NO sorry I had no idea anyone truly thought I was Max even a couple gals I'm friends with said "no way people know better"....

Who knows who that was?  Anyway, hope to never see any Max again!

Max was TERRIFYING.....  

Maybe not angle /devil scenarios here, but you're definitely being nothing but horrible....just take this headline for instance you say "commet I believe you (yet you personally tell me that you've heard many,many men tell you I gossiped about you) so you don't believe him & for you to say "but that's not how it was a year ago,"  
        Just like you said right from the get that you knew who torkelson was, yet you start up all this crap the next day with the headline "now that I know who this is" which headline was the truth élan?  

Ok Elan I can tell you what I know about Max.

the timing is the same.

Max showed up in July or August. Mindy in November how does that make it the same? Also started in the spring of 2013 and continuing on till the end of the year was a very pissed off banned provider that was Max. If your going to slander someone you really need to get your facts in line with what actually happened not the rumors that were spread by those not in the know.

Or I will do he same. Would you like me too?  
Because while I don't like being mean -you said some redicious things to me privetley and I responded that you should stick to what you do best, And that happens to be eating asshole, so what?  

So that's what I sad stop trying to contrive an overblown sense of fear (enough of the victim crap)  
And again I will point out I use the angry face emo. so that people can find my more recent replies.  
That's it -I could care less about hanging onto any anger.

So Pug, you say Max showed up in July or August, and it would be nice if Mindy showed up in November, but TER history reveals otherwise.

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indy's reviews going back to August 2013 mention verification thru P411. So she's been there at least that long.  

Confluence of Coincidences

I was as new as you, I was one month earlier in arrival to TER as you and then look at how Max was and hearing the possibility of that likely being you.  

Re: Confluence of Coincidences / stop playing dumb!

My using an example of girls wanting to meet and get to know each other before a threesome in no way alluded to I want to talk about anyone I've had 3somes with from an alias- it was an analogy to show how people need chemistry b4 such an intimate act.  
And the opposite side of the analogy is gals may need to vent now & then about anything including providers(but I don't have any problems with anyone I've ever had a 3some with & I'm very sure they all know that)  

And maybe it is being misread.  But maybe it is easy to misread.  

Re: Confluence of Coincidences

Again you twist what I said to suit you.

yeah go read it again because you totally missread the whole tread from everyones view.

ou split your own hairs Pug.  Ok

Mz says:

When and where did I ever say I had the pulse of the board? I am saying what I believe you're the one claiming to know what others are saying.

your funny Elan  

u must love yourself, if you love delusion and can't even remember the point of this thread.  Yup, I can see you do love delusional people!!!!!

I agreed with some of the things you said initially but you have proven yourself perfectly capable of playing in the mud like everyone else is. Your calls for a more harmonious board seem to ring a bit hollow now Mr. Pugdog

Mindy, you say you gave your SS# and BD to a provider (Sam) to prove you weren't Max, but don't say: you didn't know you were very much suspected of being Max and that many of the providers were incredibly concerned and don't pretend there was no reason for people thinking you were/are Max.

I hurriedly gave that info. to Sam after provider friend& I were talking on the phone & provider friend even said" I don't believe it & I'm sure nobody else does", I had called provider friend crying because of the hateful threats I was getting in my email.
       I was never cruel & have never attacked, though you -elan show just what has been happinhg to me 4 far too long!!
              I've said all I need to say. I'm encouraging people to keep it respectful even if we disagree, you have turned this entire post around & have made it about condeming me, like u twist my words & spin,spin,spin, I'm not telling u to  leave the board & I never said to eat shit-as a matter of what I've read -the assholes are quit clean, so please, since you don't know what you're talking about & can't stick to the facts when debating, why not just stop trying to engage me?  
Keep it real elan  
I am no villain -but if it makes u feel better to cast me as one in your mind then whatever, how about at least  keeping my name out of your mouth from now on. This is a rhetorical question.
Get well soon

Talon is max??

Talon showed up the same time Max did so it has to be him. I heard a rumor on the internet it was him. And we all know the internet doesn't lie. The rumor was he was trying to take over the board with girls he likes. So Talon realing isn't a bad guy just misunderstood.

... then maybe it can clear up the confusion about one of the very few facts mentioned it this incredible thread.  

It explains no one has any humor and wants to move on from this. This has ran it's course and needs to stop. That is the truth.  

How sincere are you in wishing this to end if you're asking for more readers to come and click  the "like" buttons on your posts?

It's not about dragging anything out, I'm sick of replying to everyone who individually spoke to me privately about how much they support me & how unbalanced you SEEM to be, more than a few are too scared of you to post publicly, one even saying you like to get real name's & who knows whose info. would just get yanked into this discussion,
(see you mentioning names & I'm not)
Anyway THAT is why I recommend people could still show their support silently if they so chose to & I fairly stated  
"they could like whatever they agreed with" & still keep their privacy.

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I never say that.  and I did not do this for over a year.  It was during that Max stuff.  It's been a long while.