This post has been written with much thought and consideration of the ramifications of publicly sticking my nose in a place that I would normally prefer not to go.  

Last night, I was directed to read a post titled "Alicia......Fat Girl Problems: Painting your toenails".  So, I logged on to TER and read the post.  I do not know Alicia. I have seen many of her posts and at times have found myself doing a "scrunch face" at some of the things she has said.  I am reasonably sure I have caused more than a few "scrunched faces" in my day as well.  

I do however know who HHoudini is.  I am frankly not sure if I am shocked at what has happened to a once, kind and respectful past client, or if I expected this absolute hatred of women to evolve from you.  Given the unstable actions you portrayed during the train wreck of a public "break up" with your past ATF.  "I am not a John" you said? Yes, you are.  This HH name you have chosen clearly shows your inability to let go and move on.  Talk about calling someone fat... I did not exactly find you to be the "perfect" specimen of a man.  I don't think I have ever met a perfect man!  (I say this with a joking smile) In spite of that fact, years ago, when you came knocking on my door, I gave of myself to you and loved you tenderly, as one human to another.  Humans are thinking, feeling, rational, and emotional beings. What happened to you?

You had no right to attack Alicia or any other woman, large or small, young or old, whom has made it their choice to share themselves, their minds, and their bodies with men.  If Alicia did not spend last night sobbing on her bed, after reading your cruel words, I would be shocked.  Why did you just not ignore her?  Why be so hateful?

Minnesota and this hobby, offers a wonderful variety of beautiful women.  I have been blessed to meet many of our fabulous Minnesota women and I have enjoyed every one of them.  Each is unique, interesting, and caring about their chosen profession.  

The one thing we as the women of TER all have in common is that we have all opened ourselves up to criticism and the grading from our wonderful Minnesota men.  If for only a moment you HH, could imagine standing completely naked in front of all of us Minnesota women and then, allow us to publicly grade your appearance or the size of your unit, only then will you understand the depth of pain of your evil words. You may wish to argue that it's you that pays the bill & it's you that is justified in giving the grade.  That I can not and will not argue. You were simply over the top cruel and evil in your words.  

My opinion is that you owe Alicia an apology.  I hope you are still capable of rational feelings enough to do so.  I am sorry that your past experience has hardened your heart to the point of this cruelty and I hope you can come back to be the man you once were.

Please do not Message me about this post.  thoughts, post them here.  I am going back to MYOB.

 
Kind Regards,
Melissa

As a fat old man who was treated like he was Brad Pitt by you, let me just say I appreciated it.  You didn't treat me like that just for the money.

Thanks Melissa, for sticking your nose where it's needed whether you wanted to or not. The class that you display is undeniable and the points you make are improtant and I hope many read them and take them to heart. Some of the dehumanizing attacks and verbal assults that take place here, simply because it's a reasonably anonymous forum make me cringe. I wonder what could be so wrong in someones life that tearing apart another person, that you don't know and don't care to meet is what it takes to make you feel better about yourself. Again thanks for saying it Melissa I hope you get through to more than one person here.

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HHodini's words and actions were uncalled for. In my book, he is a vengeful racist.  

We are all different. That's what makes this world so good. If we were all the same, think how boring that would be. But then HHoudini would finded something to bitch about then too.

I have seen how Mr Houdini trolls on this board. I have chastized him here more than once. Trolls are one thing this board does not need. Although, I myself have been trollish on occasion, sorry.

MN

This fellow, and his numerous aliases, have been wreaking havoc on this board for long enough, and I can't imagine a more accurate and succinct summary of his behavior here than your post.  Excellent.

Really?  Maybe you'd like to link some examples of when you've done this.  I don't know what this has to do with racism. Nuts is nuts, and you are dangerous.   There are plenty of us that see through this charade.

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For the most part, I don't see why aliases are allowed. If someone needs to be anonymous maybe he/she should be posting elsewhere.

If there is REALLY a need for people to post anonymously these are the posts that should be moderated closely.

Don't we deal with enough idiots and assholes in life without encouraging their behavior?

*sets down her cake*

First of all, Thankyou Melissa for such an amazing post, so well spoken and nailed the point home.  
Thankyou for your kindness, devotion. loyalty and love of this community's providers in all its shapes and sizes.  

Id also like to thank the gents that stepped up and agreed that this type of behavior is intolerable and unwelcome in the community.. Thankyou  

I havent read the post, that this response is referring to, and I dont believe I have to, to get the jist of what happened. Another fat shaming post by a hobbyist..  
Another blatant attempt to smooth over ones own feeling of inadequacy by belittling, insulting and demeaning of another. And from the sounds of it, it was pretty extreme and cruel.  

What does tearing others apart based on their appearance accomplish ?  
So you dont like us big girls, there's a pretty simple solution to that, dont call us, dont make appointments with us. But why on earth anyone would go out of their way to be publicly cruel to another human being is beyond me.  

It seems to me that all its done is painted a big black mark on your hobbyist career as its becoming status quo for quality providers to not see clients who publicly go out of their way to be cruel to others and put them down . As well as made you look like a complete troglodyte to other hobbyists in the community.  
There seems to be this misconception that providers dont care how you behave as long as we get paid, and I hate to break this to you, but just as you get to be picky about who you see, so do we. And its becoming more and more prevalent among the provider community that we as a whole do not tolerate the highschool jock talk  

I know this may be shocking to you big girl haters, but there is a healthy market out there for BBW providers. What may be as equally shocking is not all of us hate ourselves and there is a majority of us who embrace ourselves and all our BBWness proudly.  
Speaking from personal experience,  and trust me when I say this , there is absolutely no lack of self-esteem on my part. I'm a women so I have my days, but over all I think im pretty awesome.  
Im smart, funny, well-spoken, quick witted, full of personality and I was blessed with the fact that as a big girl I fill out my plus size hourglass rather well and darnit people like me.  
I love being a provider, I am passionate about this industry, and I am passionate about continuing to build a sex positive environment for myself and others who participate in it. I've been blessed with the opportunity of connecting with some amazing clients and providers. And I'll be damned if anyone is ever going to  make me feel less than fabulous with something as simple as words.  
There are so many quality men in this community that love big girls as well as men that love women of all shape and size variety that Im not lacking in dates.  

Pleasure is a buffet with an endless amount of delectable entrees to serve yourself from. and there is always something for every taste..  

All you do when you open your mouth with the intent of hurting others is show your lack of character, integrity and self-respect. You end up looking like a misogynist which will end up getting yourself  blacklisted from this community.  
Breadmaker was right, verbal abuse by men is another form of violence against women.  
Provider or not , regardless of age, race, shape or size,  there is no excuse to ever that justifies tearing down a woman. And as a grown man you have a choice, you can choose to contribute something positive and help build a better community as a whole or you can continue with the bitter angsty hater talk and probably find yourself having a hard time finding any quality provider who will want to spend time with you.  

Congratulations, you are what is wrong with this community.  
This is supposed to be about pleasure, fun and having a good time, and for myself and im sure quite a few others, Im sick of those bad apples that continually attempt to sew the seeds of unnecessary malicious negativity and create a hostile environment where there is no reason for any.  
So its time to put on your big boy pants, man up and apologize for such destructive behavior.  

How does it hurt you if I dont hate myself ?

Now if you'll excuse me, I have a piece of heavenly 7 layer dark chocolate cake that I have to partake in and afterwards im going to wash that down with a glass of whole milk,, and god damn if Im not going to enjoy every last bite...  

Bless, Beauty and Bliss,  
Yours Truly,  
~Cat xoxo

Melissa, I have no idea what you are talking about as I have not seen this post you are referring to. But with that being said, does anyone remember their mother teaching you that if you have nothing good to say, say nothing at all. A healthy DEBATE is always welcome, but slaughtering someone just falls under mom's rule. For the guy that decided to not use discretion, remember what they say about karma. Enough said.

WTF are you talking about.  what's racial here?
I am in agreement with Melissa-

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Would one of you 7 please elucidate how you get a non-violent written comment as an act of violence against women.  I'm serious.  Words can be mean and nasty and hurtful at times. But violent, I'm not buying this shit.  Way beyond common sense and 6 of you agreed.  PC I guess.  It's just not a logical connection.  

If any of you can present a strong, logical, unemotional rebuttal to my position I would be open to listening to how you came to the conclusion his act was violent.

subject HHOUDINI on this board

First of all, I want to say Thank You to Melissa & to Everybody Else that had my back while what ever was going on was going on when I wasn't here!!!

I'm glad after reading this thread that I haven't been able to be on for close to a week!! I've been sooooo super busy!! From reading the few things that I have been able to read under this thread, I see that Houdini is hating on me!! For what? I have NO IDEA!! Other than on the 17th & 18th I stood up to him & Panthera when they said that "only skin & bones" was acceptable!! I didn't do anything to him directly other than saying his attitude was one-sided because there are many different shapes & sizes out there & that beauty IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER!! I have re-read my notes from where got his panties in a tizzy!! And, they are where I was SIMPLY REPLYING stating that people come in all different shapes & sizes & that NO one should be able to tell a person to go on a diet & lose weight, no matter their weight, shape or size if they do not want to!! All that matters is if a person is happy with themselves!!

I was NOT even talking about myself the main majority of the time on the 17th & 18th other than I said that I was happy that I am who I am!

On my threads that got Houdini's panties in a tizzy, I was SIMPLY JUST STANDING UP FOR PEOPLE that were all different sizes & shapes & disabilities & etc!! I also had apologized for having gotten influenced to comment, but that I firmly believe in standing up for people!! And that's what I was simply doing!

I'm sorry Houdini, that in standing up for other people you were offended, but, the truth is I WILL STAND UP FOR ANYONE THAT NEEDS SOMEONE TOO!! I hate drama, but, I'm NOT afraid to do what's right & stand up for people!!

***I have been busy, which has kept me from being online as much! I also realized that in my time that I haven't been able to come online, that maybe it's better I hardly ever (if ever) comment!! Because I often get taken wrong because of my learning disability gets in the way of me getting things across the right way, especially in written words!! So, you may not see me comment too much anymore!! Thank you, everybody that has stood up for me! I greatly appreciate it!!

Main Entry: vi·o·lence  
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
1 a : exertion of physical force so as to injure or abuse (as in warfare effecting illegal entry into a house) b : an instance of violent treatment or procedure 2 : injury by or as if by distortion, infringement, or profanation : outrage 3 a : intense, turbulent, or furious and often destructive action or force (the violence of the storm) b: vehement feeling or expression : fervor ; also : an instance of such action or feeling c : a clashing or jarring quality : discordance 4 : undue alteration (as of wording or sense in editing a text)

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So wheres your proof that I'm Mr HHoudini?  
Sure, back in the day I had my problems with this HH provider. I'm not the only one.  There are many, from what I've heard.  
You involve my family, as she did, and then its game on. She balmes everyone else for her "troubles", when she creates them all on her own.
Providers as well have had to deal with her strange behavior. Maybe I'm just the first one to have the balls not to take it from her.  

And, no, I am NOT HHoudini. But if everyone here thinks that I am, well, this board is not worth being on. So flame away, again...

There is no material "proof" that houdini is gopher.  Yet that seems to be undeniably true.  Always remember: "You have no proof!" is the first defense of the guilty.

... but under cover of night.   Or under cover of an alias.

Accusations are coming too fast and I cannot TiVo this to watch it later. In this alias drama, I am losing track of the characters. If someone could explain to me all the episodes I missed, that would be great. Can I buy previous seasons of the TER drama, so I can get up to speed?  

I need a quick recap or will need to watch something else.

Like I needed another reason

Love it!

I reality, writing an accurate, but not flattering review could be considered an act of violence, (or raising your voice at the rude clerk at the DMV) by these definitions. I think we should be careful reserve the word "violence" so that we don't dilute its power. Beating someone with a bat and calling them fat are both deplorable acts, but using one word to describe both doesn't to justice for either of them.

I don't know HHoudini, but based on his writing, I'd say he is a jerk, an asshole, a prick, pompous, etc...but I don't think I know enough to declare his acts either "gender based" (I think we would be just as likely to call you or I fat) a requirement in the definition both authorities you quoted have documented

Talltails,

I HAVEN'T read anywhere where people think your Houdini!!!
I don't know if I'm missing out on something or if there's a misunderstanding or what!

Also, the things you mention a "she" about ARE CLEARLY NOT related to me! Because the things you listed are DEFINITELY NOT about me!! I just wanted to make sure everyone understood because it doesn't say who the "she" is! And, it's posted under a thread about me! I know your NOT talking about me because I don't mess with other people's families, just like I don't want other's messing with mine!!  And I NEVER blame anyone else for my f***-ups! If I am to blame, I clearly apologize when it is needed!

Just wanted to clarify a couple of things!!

Have an Awesome Day Everyone!!

Alicia

I have my reasons for my handles, and you know who she is, you know her very well, from what she told me the last time I talked to her. Yes, she does like to throw clients names around, and not just their handles. Not a good practice.

You are stupid if you make an identity here. I did once, never again. Be a ghost... Less chance of getting burned. So talltails and other handles will no longer be used here.

 I repeat.. I AM NOT HHOUDINI !!!

I meant a provider that has caused me so much grief. Sorry if I made it sound like it was you. No one here knows the half of it. Well, maybe one, but she will remain nameless.  

This provider, who most of us know, has a very different side to her. She is not the sweet, kind, all loving hippie person she makes herself out to be. She has a very vengeful and hateful side.  

Alicia, some, if not most here think that I am HHoudini.
 Melissa needs to get her facts straight before she "knows" who someone is and makes accusations that are not true. I am not HHoudini.  

Melissa is all wrong on this one. I have no hatred towards women of any kind, I never have. I am being slandered with no facts being presented. Melissa based her accusations on the two H's in HHoudini's handle. (read between the lines here folks) Thinking that I'm HHoudini.  
How can someone so intelligent as Melissa base her "knowing who he is" on two letters?  

Melissa, think before you post things that you know may not be factual, and based on speculation.

Yes, I have a few handles, and I have one reason for them, and most of you know who she is.

How about discriminatory?? Will that word work instead? GEZZ... I didn't know that grammar was a prerequisite to posting here.

If its undeniably me, then prove it. Without any proof, how can it be "undeniably true"?? For something to be "true, there must be facts backing up the said "truth".  
Correct? Or is this getting too deep for you?

...why I can't I find any previous mngopher posts?

Hey "tall tales" ...the name says it all doesn't it?! LOL you seem to like to give yourself away with how you choose your alias's
You are too funny,Anyway the thing that's so ridiculous is you claim this person has caused you SO much trouble & yet YOU are in here calling her out...from what I understand she -in this realm of "discussion" is at your complete mercy!!!!
          So I ask you this if you continue to berate & slander one who is not able to defend/ discuss your allegations is that not abusive?? One more thing I want you to know....I do not believe the kind hearted hippy type is ANYTHING like what you are telling people, & I think you should stop speaking for (& as) others!!  
          If you don't have anything nice to say.........
I mean really referring to a "negative outcome" or something like that is a MUCH more acceptable -less rude way of talking about whatever
You feel you NEED bring up about the past.....but to specifically continue to be -so specific just shows your issues with said "hippy chick"seem to be intense on your part, not healthy, & not so nice! I mean whats the point?? Are you just trying to illicit pity?

talltales, once again, you are NOT talking about me... right? just wanting to clarify since this thread topic is about me. I DON'T want people getting confused! thank you!

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I'll leave the jab at me alone, it says a lot about you.
Nope, I am not looking for any pity.  
All I'm trying to do is inform others of my experiences I have had with this provider, who is still providing, but under another name

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Yes I know full well what your doing, and you went on to say she has problems with many others  ( I disagree BTW) & you know she can't defend herself...and nobody cares what you say SHE DID to you- in fact most people realize there are two sides to every story  
& since only one can be "heard" on this forum...why would you keep talking about it? This provider is just trying to make her way in this world & she's not out to hurt anyone -your history with her is personal & all I was trying to say is deal with it  
           And stop bringing her up for goodness sake it wasn't even a part of the whole discussion, just something you went on about. CAN YOU PLEASE JUST STOP TALKING ABOUT HER.

Thanks for proving to me exactly why having an alias on top of your handle is HORRIBLE idea. If you can not "man" up for your questions/comments, then just do not post it or find a way to word it to your liking. All an alias is, is a way to hide behind their own actions. It is definitely not for privacy because your handle is private.
EVERYONE, unless you are a chicken &^%$, stop hiding behind an alias!

INGSOC had a term for this it's called Newspeak.  Political Correct nonsense.

I'm not hiding. I'm not using an alias, I just don't post reviews.

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Ok, did you read me that I said you do/did use an alias? No, you did not. And why? Because I have no idea who is using an alias or not. All I am saying that because this is a feature that TER allows, it allows for accusations and for people to become reckless in their posts.

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It's not the use of an alias, it's the troll behavior and attack posts that are the problem. I've used an alias for posting on here for a few years as a personal choice. If you wonder why, I've been called an "Ass Hat" among other vile things by a vocal provider on this board for simply stating that the hobbyist's time has value also. She did not do it using an alias, she chose to post a nice 'I don't have time now to respond now but' and went right to PM me all the nasty stuff.  

Your statement "EVERYONE, unless you are a chicken &^%$, stop hiding behind an alias!" is a large part of the problem.  Again it's not the alias it is the attack posts that are the problem. You are blaming the name for the behavior, not the behavior itself.  

Let's face it unless your drivers license lists your name as Kpg1977 your board name is also an alias.

I understand your point but yet do not. Yes, your username is an alias. But having 2 or more names to post under and being able to cover one up is being a chicken $%^&. If a provider or client is sending pm's or posting "vile" tings, there are ways to take care of it. One way is to report it but you choose not to and to hide behind an alias. And to be honest, being called an "ass hat", seriously? Been called much worse and I do not hide behind alias. Again, I go back to my original statement.

Already suspected that but thanks for confirmation.

The Ass Hat was just an example of the childish behavior that comes out of nowhere when some on here are challenged to think.  This is not the reason for my turning to alias use as I could care less what anyone thinks of me on this board.  There are many reasons to mask your board ID, as long as I'm respectful what difference does the alias make?  

About 2-3 years ago some prick on here used a comment I posted to drag into and attack a girl that I saw frequently. My post was simply a respectful yet a differing view of his post. He did not use a alias but also had no reviews so the girls he saw were not exposed. I now choose to post under the alias so this will not happen again.

I think you will find my posts respectful even when I do not agree with the majority on here. I also think you'll find that the pricks are pricks with or without the alias as a few very resent threads have disclosed.

I agree with everything said about the despicable behavior of this thread as far as it being wrong.  I find it odd that the use of an alias is blamed as those involved did not in fact use an alias other than their board name.  You are correct that the PM comments could be reported but the truth is my simple use of the alias makes it unnecessary.

M-GFE

  You CHOOSE to be a prostitute, then "object" to being objectified..... How fucking laughable.

  Sadly I feel your hyperbole & hypothesis are incorrect in all aspects as related to my posts..

  The context of my responses concerned Panthera12 who Alicia chastised for his preference in:
  fit athletic attractive positive fun young women, instead of old warhorses! Read the entire string!  

  Why can't men choose the body type & education level we prefer in female company?
  Why any man would tap: fat, out of shape, bitchy old(er) women when his preference is: fit
  attractive educated athletic younger women?  I can only presume, none were available...lol

  Alicia initiated a body-image firefight! Panthera12 & I responded & both laughed our asses  
  off at the umbrage! (which Alicia apologized for) so you're days late & waaay short on info.
 
  Who the fuck is M-GFE?  
  Some Diva/Whore who everyone's required to bow down to, whose opinion trumps all? Fuck that!

  Sorry, talltails M-GFE profiled ya bro...she obviously has a few issues! One, she's a whore.
  Who has such animosity & blissful ignorance in going out of her way to try & make you look bad!  
  Wonder why? What fucked up shit is this freak show on/into, to say such crazy shit about you?

  Of course a few overweight whore lovers & dimwitted johns had to chime in as well..
  Do you daft fucks actually think you're getting some sort of fuck points with the whores?
 
  M-GFE
  You have proven to everyone here that you should get your shit together.....  
  Get your facts in order or just:   SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!  when you fail to possess either.

  Still laughing my ass off......
  This site..... and the freaks that inhabit it!  

  ........HH

I think I have a good idea who you are, not for a fact, as Melissa so wrongly stated in her post, but a very good guess. This all sounds too familiar... Although its not double spaced...

 
skippy

Why does M-GFE hate you so......?

MaMa told me there would be haze like this.

Well Played! Well Layed! Leann