I've asked this before and got very few responses and I went on vacation to MN last week and only had one appointment inquiry which was a dissapointment.

I really like MN and seeing as how I got fired from my day job today I'm considering moving there next week to live with my best friend. (if you want all the gory details on why I was fired you can read it at my online diary which is accesible thru my website)

I plan to continue working as a escort while there but it just doesn't seem to be a market for my type there.

Can someone give me some advice?

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Offer more value at a lower cost, and make up
the difference in volume, and repeat business.

Make it easy to schedule, with convenient location
and hours.

Much like any other business.

yes but why is it so easy for me to make appointments in any other city accept MN and I have great reviews and I personally think i give a great service at a great rate.

Make up the difference in volume?
You mean use my body as a turnstyle? Don't think I havent' thought about it but do guys really want to be with a girl that is that indiscriminate about who she's with? Or do they just not care. and how exactly can you give great service when you are having to do a large amount of guys a day?

What exactly is a value to the guys of MN?

I do see this as a business but for me it's also a fantasy. Somehow the fantasy for me is removed when I have to just do a large amount of guys in order to make enough to pay rent. for me the fantasy stays in tact when I can choose carefully the guys I'm with and provide a fantastic service catered to pleasing them and myself.

I defenatley am sympathetic to your situation however most of us end up working long days at probably for less $$. I agree offer a great service at reasonalble prices and all will win.
 I understand you are inbetween a rock and a hard place but just don't try to make too much too fast or you will burn out and not offer great service.
Understand that you may not be exactly where you want to be financially but keep tough and maybe barterservices for a temporary place to stay ect.
 Please don't take this in a bad way cause that is not my intent. You appear to be trying hard as I have been watching your posts and if you are under Misty's wing you have a lot going for you in this area ( as she is a super person).
 Good luck and hope to see you when time permits.

who is Misty?

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I thought at least at one time you were posting on her sight. Sorry if I was confused.

what is her site? just curious

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Misty Magic.   Sorry cant provide a link
She has many many many great reviews. Keep your chin up.I know easier said than done.

A few weeks ago you called us all fools, so I'm sure we will try to prove you wrong?

besides didn't you know that FOOL is a term of endearment

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High fivePeachs, my thoughts exactly. I must be ignorant, because I thought being call a fool is an insult.


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I'm sure there is a market, however BBW is
specialized niche, and establishing a presence
in this market would take time.  One week is
hardly an adequate test.

Starting out a lower rate (say 125 or 150) and
increasing it later might help.

Also french to completion (and swallowing, guys love that)
and greek language are harder to find, so providers
offering those services will stand out.  Even better,
2 girl shows (if you and your friend are bi, or bi-curious)
would attract guys.

Attitude is always key, so if you are a girl who loves
what u do and shows it, then guys will show up.

You might do better if your site featured some sexy pics of you that gents didn't have to pay to see.

I won't ever pay to look at photos and I doubt I'd give consideration to a provider that expected me to.  

my rate is already $150 for an hour and I have a half hour rate that I started at $75 a hour for MN Only, so I doubt going lower would make a difference and once again I don't understand why in other markets I just post a note saying I'm available and I get dozens of responses and appointments.
In MN I get one.
It just makes me wonder if perhaps there is not market for BBW's in MN.
I'm not bi in any way and unfortuantely it's a complete turn off for me.
Also I'm a sensual massage provider and do not do Full service,(so greek is definitely out) does that have something to do with it?
I have been known to provide anal play on a guy though with the use of anal beads and I'm EXTREMELY interested in using dildos and other fantasy toys on men.
I won't have sex with anyone unless we are in a longer term relationship.
But I do provide an amazing sensual massage experience as my reviews will testify to.

well i think all of the pictures on my website are sexy
yes you have to pay to see completely nude pictures of me
but that still doesn't explain why I have dozens of people from other states subscribed to my picture service
Are MN men just cheaper than men in other states?

Amazing how a 1ooo miles can change the meaning of fool.

"Are MN men just cheaper than men in other states?"

Interesting marketing strategy.

Don't hold your breath waiting for the phone to ring.  LOL.

Well, in my experience, you should check out tcuncovered.com.

Going back way before the net, many of the providers in minneapolis have been black females. So there has always been a lot of BBW African American females available through the local papers.  There are also plenty of BBW ladies who routinely advertise in TER here.  

And regional tastes vary and I don't this some indicator of cheapness, prejudice or anything else.  I personally go ga ga over latinas.  Many of the guys on here go gah gah over asian females.

Finally, you've burned some bridges now with the mean comments.

My intuition tells me that increasing net access and reputable travelling companies are kind of squeezing the market.  You are going to have to take one 3 routes:

1. Offer top notch service, build loyal customers and charge for it.  This service can be in better personal attention or in great performance.

2. Other discounts to penetrate the market.  Then build review with good service.  And try for #1 above or just go for volume.

3. Offer some sort of niche that isn't easily found.


If you are planning a visit and you get no feelers, you can just move on... no harm done.  If you are planning to live here, you best bet is to start out on a good foot and that is kinda ruined now because of your supposition that us shy scandivanian guys are all cheapskates who don't like black girls.  Maybe its just that it is friggin cold, the holidays have us worn out, and the economy is tapping our wallets? - check out the humor on my website.

-Big Freaky Al

Your visit coincided with the holidays and I think things slow a bit during the holidays.  The BBW market is also a niche market, and I haven't seen a lot advertise here.

Since your advertise as a massage provider and not FS, you should know that, at $150/hour, your rates are higher than most other massage providers.

How about visiting those markets where your dozens of subscribers are?  Maybe business will boom there.  

Finally, regarding some of your comments you've posted: sugar works better than vinegar if you want to make friends and customers.  

it wasn't a marketing strategy, it was a question, and I'm still curious as to the answer because so far what I can tell and from what I've heard from other providers in the area this seems to be true

Where I am now I do make alot of money and get alot of guest and everyone knows I'm the sweetest girl around sorry if my sense of humor and way of talking is considered insulting to MN, maybe it's a regional thang
I want to move to MN strictly cause my best friend lives there, I'm just wondering whats up with the escort climate there

I'm genuinely wondering if the men there are just ruder, more chauvanistic and cheaper than men in the other cities i've worked in because i've never encountered such hostile and rude comments before and never been told to lower my rate. Actually most guys in my area ask why my rates are so cheap so of course it's a shock to me to find out that if I move to a different city guys would want me to lower them.

Vicki, I thought you may have learned a lesson or two form your earlier post a couple weeks ago when you were "testing" the Mpls market for BBW.  You started of on the wrong FEET by insulting people you are trying to drum up business with. I don't care what part of the country you are from, most people don't take kindly to insults.  

It is not that we are thin skined, we have feeling just like anyone else.  There is enough rude and inconsiderate people in the world that we do not wish to deal with another one trying to schedule sessions.

I myself am not into BBW, I beleive it is a specialized market just like the TS market.  The old sayinggoes:  You get more with sugar than vinegar!

yes but what you don't seem to understand is that's just the way I talk and noone else i talk to takes it as a insult.
For instance in  a conversation my friend may say
"vicki will you get out of bed an dget me a sandwich"
adn I'll say
"fool please!"

She doesn't take it as a insult she knows that's just how I talk.

I never mean to insult people I'm a highly curious person and I'm actually not trying to drum up business right now as I have no idea if I will ever be back to MN, i'm just trying to get honest answers to my questions and all I get is defensive responses from people telling me I'm insulting them.

this is the kind of response  was hoping for, something with actual information in it that I can use.
I appreciate it.

OMG!!
Did you make those??
OMG!! do you mind if I sent that link to some of my friends?

i'm about through with this dialogue. i think business might be better advertising somewhere other than this board.  i for one don't find the backpeddaling, sugar coating, spin master reasoning behind all your postings clever or remotely credible.  

you probably would be better off just saying you like spouting off statements to get a rise out of people instead of the "highly curious person" reasoning.

insults are insults....fool.    good luck in minnesota.

whats an insult to one person may not be a insult to another and you can call it whatever you want, back pedaling, sugar coating, blah blah blah
you still didn't asnwer the question though

Vick
My comments yesterday were to try to help but after reading your comments I believe you got what you deserved at your last job. The poor me syndrom has gotten old and begging for handouts on your sight takes the cake. Did you offer to pay for the phone calls from your job? Of course not. Well welcome to the real world where nothing is free and when you make your bed you must lie in it. Good luck   You will need it.

if you make so much money where you`re at why are you asking for donations on your website Fool? maybe it`s a regional thang, i think your region in the Twin Cities would be Lake Street or Bloomington ave in Minneapolis or Frogtown in St Paul. I`m sure you`ll find lots of business at those locations, I hear the guys there are very generous. Maybe you`ll make the bigtime and end up on St Paul`s website. Do us all a favor and stay out East. You`re more annoying than anyone i`ve ever seen write anything on here.

excuse me why do you ask a question and then answer it yourself?
yes i did offer to pay for the calls and I even told them I will still pay for them even though I've been let go.
you know what they say about ASSUMING things?

isn't it though?

I took your comments as helpful, I didn't say anything mean back to you.
But your comments here were rude.

you're gonna see alot of My annoying self doll cause I'm coming to MN
I don't think you guys are really pissed off I think you just like arguing with girls

Misty is one of the hottest providers in the biz!  If you thought you knew how to please a man, you were mistaken!
Misty is a mystical magician with magical powers that send a man into the lofty clouds of estacy!!!  Be her apprentice, and become a mistress!!!!!

how do i apply for apprentice position?

LOL It was Brianna and Autumn that I was helping out.  Someone confused things.  
I'm pretty certain you know all there is to know about escorting