I am not sure how you perceived my guys being late, but I fully do expect it to be EXACTLY the same both ways.
If the lady is late and adjusts either the time or donation she has done her due diligence to remedy things. If the guy is late he still owes for the full hour and if the lady can accommodate to complete the hour it sure would warrant a tip! I would not have a problem leaving the complete donation if I was late even if I called to let her know. Maybe I am misunderstanding your comment. Are you saying that if a lady is 10 minutes late as long as she calls no harm no foul guy pays full price with no hard feelings an if she extends to make it up or discounts it is going out of her way to make client happy? and if a guy is 10 minutes late he should pay the full rate AND tip because he was late even if he called?
What are your impressions of how people handle time management?
Clocks set fast - reasons, reactions, impressions?
Time is up when pop is completed - reasons, reactions, impressions?
Lady is late - reactions, impressions, how do you handle it?
Guy is late - reactions, impressions, how do you handle it?
Things just are not clicking - what do you do?
Time between sessions - how long should that time be and how does it affect you?
First off I understand that life happens and all but the first and last item just happen from time - to - time.
Clocks - for me if it is a place where rooms are shared I wait to see how I am handled by the lady I am seeing to determine my thoughts. If it is an independent lady that does not share an incall, I am immediately turned off by a fast clock and probably am already thinking this is going to be a rush and get me out experience. If I am expected to be out by the time on her clock shorting me on time I never go back regardless of session.
Pop and out - never going back and would never recommend no matter the session results.
Lady is late - if she lets me know in advance and offers more time or a discount we are good to go shit happens. I may very well still leave full donation, it is the offer that matters to me.
Guy is late - I always leave full donation regardless, if she extends or discounts I am probably going back for full session unless it was simply a disaster.
Things are not clicking - if it is me I leave entire donation an make a polite excuse to leave early. If she offers a discount I might return just to see if thing are better 2nd go around.
Time between sessions - I almost ALWAYS try to be first in line, the gap grosses me out a bit. If I meet a guy coming or going, I rarely ever return regardless of the session results.
Thoughts
Clock set ahead? Never happened to me.
Pop and out? Never happened to me.
Lady is late? They're women. They're always running late.
I'm late? Never happened.
Things aren't clicking? Back to my ATF.
Time between sessions? None of my business.
Lady is late? They're women. They're always running late.
So if they are always late and you end on time you are ok with that?
I have only had 3-4 ladies be late and only 1 didn't extend the time to complete the hour. So I have had 95+% be on time! 
"Things aren't clicking? Back to my ATF. "
I get that...works for me!
You have a pretty good track record except all the ladies being late! lol Kidding!
So far the lateness hasn't been an issue, the clock starts when they count the envelope and the action begins. Or in the case of my chronically late, scatterbrained ATF, the sessions tend to run way over what I paid for. Win win for me.
In my humble opinion, it's all about the experience not the time. The best provider experience I've ever had are those that don't mind if we go beyond the hour... even by another 15 or 30 mins. At some point you're just hanging out and talking... and if the experience is very awkward, we both sense it and part our separate ways early.
Yes, women are always late.... and guys are typically never late.
The donation is (should be) set up front. Upsells are rude, don't do them. It kills the mood.
Here's an idea: If you're asking for 300 for an hour, why not ask for 450 for two instead of 600? Chances are you spend two hours up front washing yourself, doing your makeup, getting to your incall location etc. AND Chances are most guys will leave before the 2 hours are up.
You'll have a more likely chance to get 450 than 600 from someone..... that you spent several hours up front and after the visit dealing with.
You'll probably make a better connection and have a reoccurring customer with more social time.
I guess it depends how many guys you want to go thru in a day.... and if you want to look at this as a "salary" or "hourly" job. Salary jobs are all about performance.... did you make the customer happy and interesting in return business. Hourly is hourly.... performance and customer happiness are not measured. It's that way with most jobs
2nd response with women are always late.
I am having pretty good luck in that area then!
I do agree that the clock for some of the good ones is not an issue, I have met a few that seem to have their craft down to an internal clock because they will leave me breathless and finish right on time every time! )
I've never gone that far over the deadline, but I've also had good experiences in that the girls never conspicuously check time. Except in the beginning, when I had trouble finishing and the old Vaudeville hook had to come out.
Only one girl ever made a point about deliberately checking time in the middle of a session. That was because there was no clock in the bedroom, and she said she had totally lost track of how long we'd been in there. Which was fine, because she was being genuine and she wasn't plotting to kick me out, or didn't seem to be. She just wanted to know.
Good questions, TNT!
I've never had clocks set ahead...EXCEPT at AMP's, where it's pretty common. I don't go back to places where I only get 50 minutes of an hour. With my faves, they do give me the entire hour, i.e., go till 10 after the hour. I keep going back to those.
Time up after the pop? I'll never go back if I'm hustled out the door after 30-40 minutes.
Things not clicking? I've sometimes left after 30-40 minutes on this account. I've already paid the full amount, but I'd rather just leave, regardless. Sometimes, the lady is pained, and begs me to stay (but I don't). Other times, she's just as happy to see me leave.
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and just chocking it up to a varied experience.
Go back when it is good or great and forget the number/email when it is not. Sounds like a sound practice.
For me I am personally not a clock watcher. If you have been to my incall the only clocks I have are in my kitchen. One is on the exact time and the other is on daylight savings time( discount for anyone who can fix this)
As far as time is up when pop is completed every lady is different. Some ladies don't allow msog unless you schedule more than an hour. It can be frustrating when a gentlemen books and hour and waits till the last 10 mins to try and squeeze one in. I always think if you want msog and you only book hours take the first one within the first 15-20 mins. That give time to recover for round two.
Ladies being late- I always think communication is key. It is just polite to let someone know that you are running behind. I do believe if you are more than 15mins late without communication then a discount should be offered or give the gentlemen additional time.
Gentlemen being late- This is your one statement that threw me for a loop. Like hobbiest shouldn't be held to the same standard as the ladies. I believe that is unfair. I will cancel on a gentlemen if he is running to late and does not give me some sort of notice. That means he doesn't respect my time or myself. If ladies should give a discount, should "gentlemen " leave a tip when they are running late?
What all this really comes down to is RESPECT!! Both ladies and gentlemen need to respect one another's time. Everyone needs to be on time. Ladies need to not make the gentlemen feel like he is rushed. Instead make him feel like he is valued. Gentlemen need to not abuse the ladies that graciously give them extra time. I have stop seeing gentlemen who always stay 45+ over their time and never as much as a tip to show appreciation.
I hope this helps!
Everyone find someone warm to snuggle with it's cold outside!
Your Seductive Concierge,
Andrea Davis
I am not sure how you perceived my guys being late, but I fully do expect it to be EXACTLY the same both ways.
If the lady is late and adjusts either the time or donation she has done her due diligence to remedy things.
If the guy is late he still owes for the full hour and if the lady can accommodate to complete the hour it sure would warrant a tip! I would not have a problem leaving the complete donation if I was late even if I called to let her know.
Maybe I am misunderstanding your comment.
Are you saying that if a lady is 10 minutes late as long as she calls no harm no foul guy pays full price with no hard feelings an if she extends to make it up or discounts it is going out of her way to make client happy?
and if a guy is 10 minutes late he should pay the full rate AND tip because he was late even if he called?
So far as I've noticed a clock has only been set fast once on me, and that was at a massage place (not necessarily an AMP, though the girl was Asian). It didn't matter, because she didn't rush me.
I've never been kicked out for popping, though I have wanted to leave of my own accord after doing so.
When the lady is running late I handle it by waiting.
When I'm running late, which only happened once when I got completely lost, I call to give her a heads up.
There's never been an instance when things do didn't click enough for me to do my business and get my money's worth.
Without repeating a lot of what people said about providers and their different ways are quite accurate.
As for hobbyists: the ones I've ended up blacklisting are the ones who can hold off for as long as they like (which is an awesome quality and super fun when being respectful) and make sure to do it all the way up to the hour. I love the long tease, but that shows suck a lack of respect for me and my time, so why should I care about giving them any more of it. That's on me if I see them again.
There are many times I go over because of great conversation.
Except that one time, that time of the month you were late, and it scares the sh$t out of you.
As for hobbyists: the ones I've ended up blacklisting are the ones who can hold off for as long as they like (which is an awesome quality and super fun when being respectful) and make sure to do it all the way up to the hour. I love the long tease, but that shows suck a lack of respect for me and my time, so why should I care about giving them any more of it. That's on me if I see them again.
There are many times I go over because of great conversation.
I was hoping at least 1 woman would say they are not always late!
I find it interesting that you say there're guys that hold out until the hour or try for longer. Seems when I read reviews the guys are trying to get 5-6 pops off in an hour!
I don't see how either is possible but I am JUST a guy!
How do you know they're holding off on purpose? Do they tell you, or are you a mind reader?
I was surprised by this until I realized that the ones that do that don't really see me as an equal. I'm just a ho, right?
They don't even realize that they are doing anything wrong or disrespectful.
I realize trying to get the best BANG for your buck, but if that's the case, I recommend Bing.com
Trin
Well well. Nice fact you should have told us don't ya think Trin? See WK she played you again. She omitted a fact that most likely would have changed the discussion. Same as before. Yeah we called the BS, when something didn't add up to her story. You WK couldn't put two and two together.
Maybe she will throw in a free handy next time you all go see her, for taking up your valuable time.
If they go up to the hour, as you wrote, what is your complaint? They are paying for the hour, right? And then you wrote you like the long tease.
So... if you like the long tease and they're within their hour, how does that show lack of respect for your time? What am I missing? What about THEIR time that THEY are paying for?? Did I read this incorrectly?
This is something you would blacklist someone over?? And when you blacklist, do you share that info with other providers? Is this like Jess asking other providers to remove their white listing of certain guys?
Unless the guy is a repeat client, how would you know if he's holding out busting a nut, just enjoying, or needs time to bust? But regardless, if he's within his hour, what is the problem?
But I really LOVE your comment, "...for me and my time, so why should I care about giving them any more of it." You re-enforce the point I continue to make to all the guys who think providers really care about them: Providers don't give a shit about you! It's all about the money. Period. And as Trinity just tersely pointed out, even after paying her $300 or more to bust a nut, hanging around an extra few minutes is on her, and she's having none of it. So much for, "She Loves You, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah." She claims to tell the truth in here and wants to help others in the "community," so I'll take her at her word on this.
I think to her getting as close as possible to the end of the hour is equivalent to deliberately staying over the hour, because obviously they're not going to pop and immediately jump up and sprint for the door. But her post does have the quality of, "How very *dare* you use all of the agreed-upon time!"
The unspoken rule of the hobby, as I've learned through hard experience, is that an hour really means 45 minutes. Not always, but generally. The girl can give you longer, if she feels like it. But don't you dare presume, because that's a violation of her sacred honor, or something.
Maybe it is you or the providers you have chosen but the 45 minute hour has been a rarity for me.
It has been a long time since I got back to my car ten minutes early but have not been back to see her because of it. What we had for a session was great and she was beautiful but not going back. Plenty of quality ladies in this town will give you what you have paid for and more.
I have not seen Trinity recently but never felt rushed or pushed out the door when finishing, showering, and leaving
Been a while since I glazed and frosted Trin, but I never felt rushed with her, to be honest.
If I encounter a 45-minute provider, I don't repeat, and I clearly note that in the review.
To clarify, I meant 45 minutes for the Main Event.
I agree with your first paragraph. But to me, especially at these rates, an hour is 60 minutes. Lots....many....women are cool with that. The ones who aren't I don't see again. Unless she's literally booking back-to-back sessions, I suggest clean up is on her time. Every one of us has similar "administrative" duties in our jobs. Now if the guy pops at the 55 minute mark and then wants 10-15 to shower, I can understand the point.
My opinion is that guys and gals should respect the time agreement. Enjoy each other and every minute to the fullest. But in the end.... it is an agreement . .. pay to play.
When I say they hold off until the hour is UP, I mean they go the fill 60+ min and then when I have to wrap things up and ask if they want a shower, then they're like , oh ok, I only need 5 min. Then they just cum. And I have and will continue to ask them if that's what they did.
If I am done early, gfe, massage, whatever, I'll always ask if they want more massage or something. I'm not gonna just be a bum afterwards. The hour is NEVER timed by when a person cums in my space. It never will be. An hour is an hour. Period.
... you're not going to pop right at the end of the hour and then sprint out the door.
I think Trinity was clear what she meant, but from a long-time client's perspective, I can tell you she doesn't care how long it takes you to pop as long as you're respectful of her time. That means if it takes you an hour to pop, or you want to make it take that long, schedule more than an hour so there's time for cleanup etc. (And with her, the "cleanup etc." is a lot of fun also). If you like tease and denial, she'll be glad to do that for as long as you want... she's a master at it IMO. Just plan accordingly and respect her time.
As for an hour means 45 minutes... I've found that to be true for some providers. I try to screen them out through reviews, but if I happen to have that experience anyway, it will be the one and only time I'll see that provider unless the shorting of time wasn't her fault. With Trinity, an hour is (at least) an hour.
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Letting her clarify what she meant instead of you speaking on her behalf? WK to the rescue. She's a big girl. She can write what she means. She doesn't need all the Knights rushing to speak for her. And so what if a guy pops at the end? We're not talking about a $60 session at Massage Envy where they're booked back-to-back-to-back. We're talking about a $200-$300 session. I will agree with you , though, been a while since I left my donation on her face and tits, but Trin is not one to rush you to the door.
Back to back sessions is beside the point. The provider could have nothing to do for the rest of the day for all I know or care. Point is, apparently some clients deliberately leave no time at the end of the session for clean up and goodbyes. Which I can believe. If it's done on purpose as she says, that's equivalent to staying over time.
An hour is an hour, and that goes both ways.
That's exactly what I wrote.... an hour's an hour. It goes both ways. But if she's getting $200-$300 an hour and is going to bitch because it takes me 2 minutes to tie my shoes... screw her. 10-15 minutes over? Yes, I think that's too much.
So once again, guys, I'll use this platform and discussion to state my recurring point.... they're here for the money. They don't give a shit about you. We're talking about paying a hooker $200, $300, $400 for an hour and splitting minutes..... there ya go.....
An hour and two minutes is not an hour. That is the point. She finds deliberately playing to get the extra minutes disrespectful, or however she puts it. I don't know if that's the word for, but it is breaking the implicit trust this hobby us based upon.
Fuck her. Oh, wait. I just did. Nevermind.
But there are enough out there who won't take issue. That's where my money goes. Maybe I need to go give Trin a second coat of white
You owe her $10 more.
Penny wise, pound foolish.
By the way, isn't Trin's "GFE" $400 now?😲
But there are enough out there who won't take issue. That's where my money goes. Maybe I need to go give Trin a second coat of white.
I was responding to someone else's post. I offered my opinion on the subject. Why does it bother you so much if someone gives an opinion here? Why does someone stating an opinion about a provider they know very well make them a "white knight"? How would you like it if every time you say something positive to or about a provider here, one or more people shout "white knight, white knight!!" That wouldn't be very civil, would it?
I'm sure you've noticed Trinity has no problem giving her opinion, and if she wants to reply to your post, she will. And if she doesn't wish to reply, that's her prerogative.
And if I want to give my opinion in a thread, I will. I will not be intimidated by you, or anyone else.
I think you'd shout "black knight!" in that case.
My words....my question. She wasn't clear, and I asked her to clarify. What is uncivil? I asked HER to clarify her remarks. What is wrong with that? But you just had to rush to the rescue and try to clarify what she meant. Why not give her time to answer for herself? She's a big girl. And just like you, I am offering my opinion. Why do you have a problem with it? I tell it as I see it not going to be intimidated by the WKs and providers who think they own the board. I agree with many comments and will disagree. And Trin is pretty selective about responding. She sure likes to make claims but doesn't like to back them up often or clarify her remarks when asked. Maybe instead of you speaking for her, you should give her time to reply or, better yet, ask her to clarify. You were quick to let everyone know what YOU thought she meant... was that so she didn't have to reply? Don't care what you thought she meant. I want to know what SHE meant. Is that too much to ask? Letting someone ...even a woman... speak for themself? Or do you think so little of women that you think they cannot defend their own comments?
He was offering his opinion too...just like you.
Why does it bother you if a guy disagrees with you, the providers you know really well, or anyone else on the board. It's not really fair to shout "troll, troll" when a guy has a strong opinion and calls out double standards and people being general a** hats? Am I right?
Trust me knots, nobody is intimidated by you either. Even when you try.
... that everyone here, except maybe 3-4 people, have seen through the tactics you and your buds employ here. So keep blowing in the wind. We've heard it all before. Same song, 6,376th verse.
Everything posted here can be twisted to be called "opinions". But some of these "opinions" are simply that, while others are intended to harass, punish, abuse, and/or intimidate others. Either you don't know the difference, or I think more likely, you do know the difference but think most people here don't know the difference. We do.
Case in point... LYT gave his opinions on this subject in several posts. Much of what he said looks to my eyes to be much like things I said. The difference is, I didn't attack him for stating his opinions about the subject at hand. Where I draw the line is when the subject of a post is to berate someone, maybe just because they chose to give an opinion on the subject at hand. That's what LYT did above. As if I were somehow preventing someone else from giving his/her opinion on the subject by giving my opinion. It's actually funny: "Oooh, knots has weighed in here, no one else can give an opinion now!" Almost as funny as I'm not allowed, per LYT, to post in a thread until a certain someone has done so. You'll say that's his "opinion." Great. I disagree with that opinion. The difference is, I'm not supposed to give my opinion, right? He also tries to berate people who choose to NOT reply to his posts. You should be all over that, as supporter of free speech. Of course, we all know why you're not all over that.
Yup, this act of yours and your buds is getting kinda old, dontcha think?
Are negative, berating others, and so on like he NEVER does it.
Just today he berated me and called me Mr. Negative on the Vikings thread. Luckily for him, I have a thick skin and don't go crying to TER to get stupid things like that removed as some of your "buds" like to do.
Have a great weekend, hun.
Everything posted here can be twisted to be called "opinions". But some of these "opinions" are simply that, while others are intended to harass, punish, abuse, and/or intimidate others. Either you don't know the difference, or I think more likely, you do know the difference but think most people here don't know the difference. We do.
Case in point... LYT gave his opinions on this subject in several posts. Much of what he said looks to my eyes to be much like things I said. The difference is, I didn't attack him for stating his opinions about the subject at hand. Where I draw the line is when the subject of a post is to berate someone, maybe just because they chose to give an opinion on the subject at hand. That's what LYT did above. As if I were somehow preventing someone else from giving his/her opinion on the subject by giving my opinion. It's actually funny: "Oooh, knots has weighed in here, no one else can give an opinion now!" Almost as funny as I'm not allowed, per LYT, to post in a thread until a certain someone has done so. You'll say that's his "opinion." Great. I disagree with that opinion. The difference is, I'm not supposed to give my opinion, right? He also tries to berate people who choose to NOT reply to his posts. You should be all over that, as supporter of free speech. Of course, we all know why you're not all over that.
Yup, this act of yours and your buds is getting kinda old, dontcha think?
I have to apologize, I should have added something like "smooches and kisses, hun!" above so it was clear to you that "Mr. Negative" was just a friendly jibe instead of a vicious attack, which apparently is how you took it.
Smoochies and kissies, hope you have a great weekend too!
Vicious attack? You're funny. No, I didn't take it that way at all but neither was it a friendly jibe but whatever.
Regarding time and being on schedule, I ALWAYS respect others' time, both in and out of the hobby, and expect others to do so as well. I do allow exceptions but this is where communication plays an important role.
Mwah, miss you 'hun'.
Smoochies and kissies, hope you have a great weekend too!
Mommy and Daddy fight!!!!
It's verbal diarh******
Try to get your rage under control.
Because you can never control me. Advice I think providers out there need to understand about you. A real board prince you are Mr Rageaholic
I posted twice before you did. YOU essentially mirrored what I wtote, but you make it appear that I mimicked you, which is not true. And I posed the question to Trinity asking her to clarify not you. But you felt it in your infinite wisdom and WK compassion to step up to the plate for her. I was asking her and you felt compelled to intervene, and then you cry when I call you out. I didn't berate you at all, and where the hell did I ever write or even imply that you cannot post without permission? That is ridiculous. But it's not surprising coming from you as you over dramatize everything. Please..... post away. I love what you write.
...instead of complaining about people asking for a response. There was and is nothing berating in what was written. You mere use of the word doesn't make it so.
She won't reply. You feel the urge and requirement to reply for her.... what's wrong with holding people accountable? You seem to have no problem questioning and challenging some in here, but there are some you just cannot bring yourself to question. Such intellectual integrity.
I find your dog and pony show to be getting old and boorish.
And unlike you, I don't believe it's my job to tell people when they should reply to a post, or not.
But I'm confused. Didn't you just say you love reading what I write?
... She won't reply. ...
I find your dog and pony show to be getting old and boorish.
I gave her the opportunity made pretty specific so as not to be misunderstood . In her court now.
Maybe the WK will take issue, do i care no! Iam paying for a defined period of time am i right, therefore what i do with that time is on me as long as im not forcing you to do anything against your will. Im not paying for your prep time to get ready for next guy or go to yhe mall or whatever it is you have planned next. THAT is totally on you, your time and how you manage it.
Ok what is appropriate time ,for you and you only, for the guy to bust it. Enlighten us please.
If you cant take a full on throtte session , well announce here and now. Then the board can decide where and with whom to see. Quite fair isnt it, rather than them appering on a blacklist. Now that would only be the respectful thing to do. Being on time and out the door at conclusion of agreed time IS respecting your time.
In closing see my last review and you will have none of these issue's. Thanks to Lily V.
As for hobbyists: the ones I've ended up blacklisting are the ones who can hold off for as long as they like (which is an awesome quality and super fun when being respectful) and make sure to do it all the way up to the hour. I love the long tease, but that shows suck a lack of respect for me and my time, so why should I care about giving them any more of it. That's on me if I see them again.
There are many times I go over because of great conversation.
If they're saving the happy ending for "all the way up to the hour," then they're NOT "out the door at conclusion of agreed time." Because no one pops and leaves immediately.
$300 an hour and she's gonna bitch because I gotta get dressed?
$300 an hour, yes, and HOUR is the important part. Get dressed within the hour, or get dressed on your own time.
I don't think anything's wrong with refusing to see men she knows, or thinks she knows, pretend as though they can save their pop until 59 minutes and 59 seconds into session. Because it's one thing if things naturally happen to take that long, and another if the guy is playing for overtime.
And i made it very clear in on time and out on agreed upon time is respectful of their/her time did i not? She can answer my question or not as appropriate time to nut for her and her alone. Then let chips fall where they may. Maybe fair question to ask if its an issue for her if guy goes long , which she reserves right to have. So lets not even go on that bandwagon. Then deal with it accordingly. Fair is fair.
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"i made it very clear in on time and out on agreed upon time is respectful of their/her time did i not?"
You did, emphatically so. My point is that her post was about guys not leaving at the agreed upon time.
"She can answer my question or not as appropriate time to nut for her and her alone"
Yes, she can. Presumably the answer will be any time within the agreed upon slot, or thereafter at her discretion. So long as the client doesn't presume he can run out the clock on purpose.
What is the point of this question, anyway? Is the implication that she has a secret clock beside the agreed upon clock, and that she's enforcing an unfair standard? Or what? Because it appears to me she's merely enforcing the old "door to door" standard.
And you haven't met wongbater! So quit trying to say my supa natural ain't reals like my dealz
I try to pop at the 50 minute mark. If I can't pop in 5 minutes it isn't going to happen anyhow. So far I've always succeeded. I can get dressed and be out the door in 5 minutes. That said, no one has pushed me out the door yet. I've gone over in my first visits because a clock wasn't easily visible. My later dates I strived to watch the clock. I really do try to hit 60 minutes door to door
I've had MANY MANY clients that also went to the last minute or a little over, but that's because it's just not that easy for everyone! Or sometimes I tease TOO long and missed the window... oops 🙊
However, there's a huge difference between that and the ones who do it on purpose. There's a completely different spirit and attitude. I am merely trying to make mention of that in this situation.
Time wise, I will always err on the side of respectful clients, and I always leave space for going over a little, because I DON'T like to rush.
Also if I can't see the clock and I think the hour is drawing near, I'll ask if we're good on time. If she replies "don't worry about it" I take that as a sign that the next hour is for free (just kidding.) If instead she just tells me the time, I take that as I better wrap things up promptly.
I always say I don't watch the clock and I don't expect you to either it goes both ways we all know what your coming for and if i don't make you feel rushed and we finish a little early and you enjoyed yourself and are happy and even if we finish a few mins late whatever I've sat over on time with clients just in good conversation but that's me.