For me there is a bit of a double standard when it comes to deposits. If I find an ad by someone I've never seen before and whose phone # shows nothing when I do a Google search, I will absolutely not pay a deposit. That's the "red flag" as I see it. Personally, I'd never book an appointment with that un-established person but that's a different story. You,on the other hand, are an established and well-respected provider. I know by your history of posts, reviews, and social media that you are legit. I'd be happy to pay a deposit before booking with you. I know some guys just go by what's in the ad, but those who do a little research will probably agree with me.

I'm with the previous poster - deposits for me are not black and white.  

There are times when I'm very comfortable doing it - I paid one the one time I saw Jordan and have for others. But there are times when it is a no-go for me.  

It all depends on the track record of the provider. If a reputable provider who I want to see requires a deposit, there are times when I will pay it. But if this is a new provider or reviews are mixed or she has no real digital footprint, that's probably a red flag for me and I'd look in another direction.  

Like most things in life, people can do what they want. Providers who require deposits can certainly do that, but they may miss out on some dudes. Guys can never pay a deposit, but then they might miss out on some great experiences.  

As with many things for me, I feel like the best spot for me is somewhere in the middle.

Ms. Maxx you do realize that a very large portion of what you just wrote could just as easily been typed by many of the mongers on here don't you?

Here is your message slightly edited.

"it is simply a confirmation that you will show up, and, if you don’t, I get no compensation for my time that I’ve spent emailing with you and screening. Put yourselves in our shoes. You spend upwards of 90min showering, shaving, and doing hair, another 15-30min getting dressed, and another 15-45min driving to the incall/outcall, only for someone to NCNS and disrespect you like that? Can we stop asking for deposits like they’re necessary and start respecting mongers wishes and time?"

I would imagine you consider yourself a professional, and I appreciate your desire to avoid timewasters but you need to realize some of us out here feel the exact same way.  I will never contact someone and waste their time because I too, am professional.

I would ask a question of you.

I am unaware of your screening processes as your profile only links to Twitter, do you not contact the references we provide?  Is it not mentioned if someone has a propensity for tardiness or NCNS?

I do know it's that way for many of the ladies I know personally, and it saves them a lot of time and effort.

I would also go so far as to suggest hiring a quality screener to handle your interactions with potential clients,  Every Lady I know swears by their screener and think its worth much more than it costs in saving them time, effort, and the frustration such as you feel when you feel the need to post something like this thread.

If you would like, please feel free to ask more business questions, and hopefully gain a lot of useful and time saving methods and information, may I suggest more time on TER and less time on Twitter?

I honestly do wish you the best of luck, and I hope I am not missing out on a wonderful experience but two of my personal rules are:
1)No Deposits
2)No Twitter providers.

I am following those rules and I do hope you appreciate that,  I will not contact you, and I will not waste your time.

Best of luck.

Agree with you about the amount of time it takes before a date to get ready. It seems like what I've read and heard that nowadays, it sounds like NCNS is getting more common. In general, I think most suitors are not like this. Just my .02 worth

Jordan,

I have paid a deposit before and will happily do it again.  

Now just need to find a time when it works.

How does one make deposit without a paper trail? Don't say crypto currency. I am against the deposit debate cause I don't want any paper trail.

I told myself that I would never pay a deposit, except for a FMTY scenario, but the little head won out this week and I placed deposits for two traveling providers for later this summer. I hope they both are legit, although it’s more about being “taken advantage of”, than losing out on the monies for me.

Frankly, everything leaves a paper trail including taking money out of the ATM to pay your provider of choice. Although crypto currency is one of the better ways to make a deposit with a minor paper trail (there are wallets that do not require your legal info), you have taken that off the board as an option.  

 
That said, depending on the provider's set-up, the options can be a bit limited. If the appointment is weeks away, you could do CIM (cash-in-mail, expedited and tracked). If the appointment is the next day, you could do a gift card if the provider allows that. Theoretically, a provider could create accounts on peer to peer transfer applications; however, at some point those apps will most likely ask for legal info and/or change their information and then the transactions to their accounts will show up as their name.  

 
Providers with a LLC open their deposit options considerably though. A provider with a LLC will have a business name with business accounts. That means any transactions to any of their accounts associated with their business will show up as their business' name on your bank statements (ex: Grey Duck Consulting, LLC - it was the most Minnesotan thing I could think of off the dome). This could range from wire transfers, peer-to-peer money transfers (re: Zelle, Ca$hApp**, Venm0), Paypal or Square invoices, etc.

 
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**There is a minor caveat here if you have a Ca$hApp so long as you don't share the account. Ca$hApp allows you to transfer money from your bank into the app - that transaction will show up on a bank statement as a debit to either Ca$hApp OR your (the client) name. Once the money is in the Ca$hApp account, you can then transfer it how you see fit. So if a provider doesn't have a LLC, this could be a good way to provide the deposit.  
 

While I'm not married, my parents did give me a few solid tidbits of marriage advice and that is you have a joint checking account for all the household required things and both parties have their own individual accounts for their respective "things".

I furnished a deposit only once, using Cashapp, to a local provider who had an excellent reputation.
Pretty sure I'd do it again if I was eager to see someone; there is also no doubt that, in the initial stages, it makes me less eager.
In a similar vein though, I did an in appointment extension payment through Zelle's "private setting" about a  month ago. Turns out there is nothing private about Zelle and I have been smacking myself in the (little) head ever since.  

P.S.  I have never ever NCNSd anyone.

OK we'll tell them to stop

Taking money out of an ATM says nothing about what I used the money for.

My time is valuable as well and that includes the time I spent earning the money I intend to use to pay a provider.  Yes, NCNSs suck.  I've been on the receiving end of a number of them over the years.  I've never had a single one of them offer me money for the time I lost.    I doubt I would have gotten a penny back of any deposit I had paid either.  I suspect you will say reputable providers won't do that.  Well, reputable clients won't NCNS except in exceptional circumstances.  But sometimes shit happens, that's even more true in the P4P world, and it can happen to both providers and clients.  Why exactly is it that clients are supposed to trust reputable providers but providers aren't willing to trust reputable clients?

Thank you Jordan for telling the truth.  I'm not a deposit guy but in the right circumstance (like yours) I could see changing.  I'm going to get roasted for being a white knight here but you hit the nail on the head.

"More time on TER and less time on Twitter seems like a nightmare, considering the way some of these posters speak about the women that they’ve seen/are seeing/plan to see."

There are a few in this forum that believe the only way to discuss a woman is in the most vile, hostile manner and then there are some that simply don't believe women should be able to post on TER at all.  I've always stated that if this were a more welcoming group, there would be more open dialogue (and private messaging) between men and women and we'd all be better for it by accomplishing common goals and having a great time in the process.  It is highly likely that there would be less discussion of private information required and deposits would be a much less demanded business tool.  Not sure why the guys that intentionally shoot themselves in the foot are usually the biggest complainers.

if you're taking large sums out of the ATM it still is technically a "paper trail". All it takes is the right question and a terrible liar...

Yes, providers have providers' ONLY discussion board on TER and National BLACKLIST website. Check it out @JordanMaxx, link provided below.

The National Blacklist for providers is NOT SECURE and is a SCAM. DO NOT CLICK ONTO THAT LINK.

May I quote you?

"More time on TER and less time on Twitter seems like a nightmare, considering the way some of these posters speak about the women that they’ve seen/are seeing/plan to see."

Seems that right there is one source of information that you have access to that will assist you in determining if a potential client is reputable enough for your satisfaction.  That is, if you have looked up potential clients history, and don't just dislike TER due to word of mouth from other providers who don't like it.

Please bear in mind, I'm not defending TER, or any posters on here.  There's a lot of toxicity that isn't really necessary and it has always be present here to some extent.   Before Sesta/Fosta this website was much more interactive and a lot of providers contributed quite often.  The newer generation of women who hate on it probably never see it as a useful tool.  

Hank mentions a couple of sources of information, My most preferred method personally is P411,  of all the places out there I rate it the highest.

What could be a more useful tool to determine if a potential client is reputable enough to be seen that actual commentary from fellow providers?   One thing that has always boggled my mind is screening methods that insist on real world information from potential client and do not accept references.  How is a partially covered ID and something like a Linked account going to be able to convey to a provider things like punctuality? Hygiene? Attitude (whether poor or congenial)?  even something as simple as bad breath?

As I mentioned earlier, I am not aware of your screening methods, and don't mean to impugn them in any manner,  I believe it is every sex workers right to establish whatever level of security and comfort that works for them, that last paragraph is simply a general comment about something that quite frankly mystifies me.

I hope I provided some useful information in these communications with you,  As Ms. Savage, who commented earlier, could tell you this subject comes up often, and I wanted to provide you with some alternative viewpoints.

I personally believe there has been a generation of newer mongers since Sesta/Fosta, who have no idea things like TER exist, are ignorant, and are willing to do to whatever the newer, disconnected from TER generation, providers want, and have no idea how they are exposing themselves, or making what others would consider a bad decision.

I will give you an example without naming any names,  There is a provider visiting the Twin Cities and has an add up on the same website that you post ads on.  There are a few threads in the general comment sections that talk about her, how she has used client information for attempted extortion, attempted to financially defraud clients, and has even  exposed other providers.

Her ads screening requirements ask for (among other things) the following:
Name
Phone #
Provider References
Employment info

Whereas the older, experienced ones, like myself, who do know that there are methods that have always worked, without deposits, or real world information requirements (again, not that you yourself ask that, as I stated I do not know your screening methods) will move on after seeing those requirements.

Consider newer guy who is being conditioned to the standards that the Twitter crowd demands.  Deposits, Real world information, etc.  He see's said ad, she is an attractive women, and pulls the trigger, only to have a lot of bad things happen to him.

Please keep that in mind when discussions like this come up on here,  Yes, there are a lot jerks, but there is also a large group of us here who are experienced, and careful, because we learned to be that way.  And many of us would actually be ideal clients that you would wish to have as a regular, or even as semi regulars, who won't break the rules as we know them.

May I propose a thought experiment?

How do you/we overcome the gap between what you believe should be mandatory for your satisfaction and/or convenience and the many potential clients out there, many of which would be clients you wished to have as regulars, that believe that is quite frankly too much?

As I said, a thought exercise, I'm not asking for any exceptions, feel free to set your own requirements as you see fit, and I do wish you good fortune and safe travels.

To each their own. If you were going to try to scam some marks, wouldn't it be smart to pretend to be a local pornstar?

Technically yes but in and of itself it does not reveal the person to whom the money was given and for what purpose.   Being able to lie well or at least know when to be quiet is also very useful in the P4P world.

Yes, you do.  As pointed out, there is one here on TER.  I've been told by providers they have others as well.  No, I don't know what they are; I didn't expect them to tell me more and didn't ask.

You have earned your stripes in the the porn industry and the John’s need to respect that.  There is no reason that any hobbyist should think you are fake or a scammer in any capacity.  If I were in your shoes, I would absolutely require a deposit for the reasons you stated and more.  I have seen many porn stars and a deposit isn’t uncommon especially if a girl is booking an incall hotel.  My advice for you would be to just ignore any emails from guys that don’t want to comply with what you are asking(which is safe for you and more than reasonable).

I have had 3 cancel on me in the last 6 days. At least the last 2 told me before I drove all the way to their location. The 2 that did tell me only canceled when I told them I was on my way.

Agree, we should probably ask for a deposit.

For you to ask for 50/100 deposit is no reason for anyone to call you a scammer. You have too good a reputation to lose by being dishonest. It is those with no history , an out of state area code, and not even an email asking for a deposit and maybe not references. That being said am not about to pay deposit to you as I have enough opportunity without doing so and in all honesty do not know how or care to learn.

The date with the girl that ghosted me after I drove to her was set up the day before. I texted her when I was on my way, and she responded with a confusing text, but that was the last I heard from her. The other 2 were made the same day and were disappointing, but much less because they told me before driving.

So that slight drunk comment does me in.

Out of my league anyways. I never did that. I did give a lot of info to a massage girl and still not working.

Been doing this to many years to pay a deposit, sorry my advice move on to another provider

Jordan,  I would certainly pay a deposit if I knew it wasn’t going to disappear!  I have a deposit paid to another provider who flaked on me three times, and the deposit never came back.

I drove into the metro all three times just to be ghosted once getting there.  Literally at the door!

I have considered reaching out to screen and schedule with you, and even with my bad experience with the previous deposit situation I would be willing again….your time is valuable too and if someone doesn’t like it they can rendezvous with another!

Looks like the deposit thingy is working so WELL for you, keeping doing it, good job