Hello,

If TER wants to ban Madison from the board, that's their perogative.

Pulling her reviews, however, is uncalled for.   Madison has a lot of glowing reviews because she is a good escort.  Pulling her reviews punishes clients looking for accurate information.  

It doesn't make any sense.  

Please put Madison's reviews back up.

tb/tcg

A "good escort" doesn't publish clients' personal information.

Fine, so don't let her on the board anymore.  My point is that every one on of those reviews is accurate and to remove them is a disservice to clients.

The episode of Madison copying and pasting part of an email, but not noticing a phone number included has been documented far and wide and clients can take that into account.

You may not ever see her, but that doesn't mean everyone feels the same way.  

“…every one on of those reviews is accurate…”

And what brings you to this conclusion?  I think this is a matter of some contention.

I don’t mean to single out Madison here, but once a certain baseline of service has been established by a provider, TER will not accept reviews for the provider with ratings too far below this established baseline.   Reviews will automatically be rejected as “inconsistent with previous reviews.”  Well, I ask you, whoever said that providers are consistent?  And who decided that past performance will be sustained and is a guaranteed indicator of future performance?  Mutual funds have disclaimers about such things, but TER has apparently decided that providers never rest on their laurels, and that all inconsistencies are the result of inaccurate reviews rather than actual inconsistencies in service.

Secondly, providers can and do lobby for the deletion of reviews (even good ones) that bring the providers averages down and lower her search rankings because they weren't quite laudatory enough.

So, you see, EVEN IF, every POSTED review was 100% accurate, it would not tell the whole story.  This doesn’t even take into account the fact the many reviewers inflate their ratings because they have a thing for the provider, desire to capture the providers good graces, or change their reviews after being strong-armed by the provider.

I want to make it clear that I’m commenting on the review system in general here, and not trying to single Madison out.  My point is that it is really naive to assume that any provider’s TER reviews tell the whole story.


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...even in TER's flawed review system.

It's not just a select few white knights inflating her rating.  

At any rate, you have not made case to remove Madison's reviews, you are making a case to remove EVERY review.  

Either that, or you are unfairly singling Madison out.  

Your choice.

It's one thing to cut her off from the board and another to delete reviews which can have a major impact on her business.
I have no doubt that she did what she did in a moment of less than lucid thought, as I have been with her many times and never have seen a mean or vindictive side to her behavior.  I have certainty that the reviews are accurate and to delete them is a disservice also to the hobbiests looking for high quality service (and willing to pay for it ).

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"From personal experience: Madison's reviews are accurate"

You know they are all accurate because you posted all of her reviews? Or you interviewed everyone who posted a review to determine their accruacy?  Or maybe you were there during the sessions taking notes for later verification.

If she had a bad review, would it be inaccurate, and so should be pulled?  (I'm not saying Madi has ever done that, though some providers have.)

If I saw someone and posted a positive review, and you saw the same person and posted a negative review, is my review inaccurate since it doesn't agree with your personal experience?

and allows her to participate. perhaps the hobbiest seeking information on madison can turn there. i don't know if madison's indiscretion was inadvertant or not but i do back TER's immediate and umimpeachable decision to ban her. why should she benefit from TER's continuing assistance (in the form of reviews) if she is unwilling to cooperate with their clear-cut rules (as are all other TER members)? as i indicated before, reviews of her ARE still available online, just on another site. and madison does maintain her own website and can provide a place for reviews there, too (if they are in fact true and accurate representations).

laker

btw i've seen madison and given her high marks myself so i have no axe to grind with her

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Her business will be just fine. There are plenty of providers who by their own choice do not have reviews on this site and stay very busy. Besides many argue that she is a good and honest provider and with that there will always be business for a girl like that.
Think of  Anastasia(the iffle tower anna,CP)she is a sweetheart who doesn't have reviews here, but has a VERY regular following. The hardworiking honest girls never struggle to keep a following.
No reviews might make Madison more sought after. If a guy finds a girl he loves, and has no reviews, he may feel he found something nobody else knows about.

Also, has anyone asked Madison if she minds having her reviews removed?  We're all assuming she wants them re-posted.

“At any rate, you have not made case to remove Madison's reviews, you are making a case to remove EVERY review.  Either that, or you are unfairly singling Madison out.  Your choice.”

I choose option C:  None of the above.  I wasn’t making a case at all, I was merely questioning a specific claim you made.

My guess is that TER chooses to delist providers who compromise client confidentiality on the message boards for the following reasons:

1) It sends a much stronger message to other providers that TER is serious about protecting the privacy of its members.  Staff clearly stated that their intent was to make an example of Madison.  I don’t think the mere threat of disallowing posting privileges would be a particularly strong deterrent.  Madison herself said that she wasn’t planning on posting to the boards much anymore anyway.  I think it would probably be enough deterrent to prevent intentional violations by other providers, but would not be a strong enough jolt to force them to reexamine their privacy policies in general, and see to it that they put safeguards in place to protect themselves from their own carelessness.  I think that is what is needed here.

2) Problem providers are most likely a real administrative nightmare.  There is probably a high correlation between message board violations and review complaint submissions.  High maintenance providers cost them too much time and money to be worth their while.

3) To protect their own reputation and credibility.  I’d hazard to guess that they’d rather disassociate themselves entirely with a provider they feel they can no longer trust rather then simply putting up barriers to prevent further misconduct.

Finally, I never meant to imply that TER reviews are worthless.  They certainly have their place.  I’d just caution against taking them too seriously.  I simply meant to put things in perspective and point out that they don’t tell the full story.  They are a fairly good tool for giving a hobbyist a general idea of what to expect, and an even better tool for weeding out complete scam artists.  

buried many pages back.  Then there will be nothing to warn guys about Madison's lack of discretion.  Maybe one review should be kept which details this event.  Do we have any responsibility to newbies?

Madison's reviews are a great service to all the hobbiests who have not seen her yet. She is one of the best and should not be hidden from those who would like to see her.