OK since this was mentioned in a thread below and I don't want to hijack that I'll ask it here. The legality of DIY, I tend to believe that it is no more legal than a HE from the provider, but I could be wrong. I asked this awhile back on the legal forum with little response. I saw a response on the other thread that cited law that said it was legal, can someone link to where it says that. Just curious!!
Minneapolis Ordinance Section 385.160, "Indecent conduct" creates a misdemeanor crime: "No person, in any public place shall engage in, or offer or attempt to engage in: (a) Lewd or lascivious conduct; (b) Sexual intercourse or other sexual conduct; (c) The indecent or lascivious exposure or use of the human body, or any part thereof; or (d) Fondling the unclothed genitals of himself or herself or another person."
It's "legal" as long a virtually nothing is said and that's really, really, difficult. If she says, "It's legal to DIY," she's already said too much. That's my interpretation.
The ordinance goes to intent of the provider, not the DIY'er.
...and that's why Gross Misdemeanor charges can be filed against the hapless couplers. If a hotel room that you've rented with the implied promise of privacy and security is considered a public place, then so is a massage studio, chiropractor's office, dentist office, etc. The massage therapist is not likely to call the police if you start in with your DIY and therein lies the misperception that DIY in a massage studio is legal.
A massage studio IS a public place. Home office or business suite. Go whip your cock out at a massage envy type of place and see what happens if you get caught. If you don't get caught then kudos! you just saved some major $$$ . They're intent IS that you Jack yourself off and pay the same as you would a provider that's more than happy to do it for you and thensome. Posing with handbras and almost naked on an ad implies we'll get more than a massage. the virgin Mary shit these chicks are pullng around here is getting old. As long as nothing is said? Hahaha yeah right.
Posted By: mark.4444
It's "legal" as long a virtually nothing is said and that's really, really, difficult. If she says, "It's legal to DIY," she's already said too much. That's my interpretation.
The ordinance goes to intent of the provider, not the DIY'er.
Regarding "unlicensed complementary and alternative health care practitioners," it comes full circle back the same definitions as in the other ordinance that defines "sexual contact." The Statutes have evolved over the decades and contradictions are rare:
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=146a.08
"146A.08 PROHIBITED CONDUCT.
Subd. 1. (d) Engaging in sexual contact with a complementary and alternative health care client, engaging in contact that may be reasonably interpreted by a client as sexual, engaging in any verbal behavior that is seductive or sexually demeaning to the client, or engaging in sexual exploitation of a client or former client."
The statute is more expansive than for "prostitutiion," but still not prohibiting DIY. When an act is intended to be prohibited, statutes tend to specify.
In practice, duh, extremely tough to pull off (no pun originally intended), but defensible if words were simply not said or chosen wisely, IMOH, of course.
Heres my suggestion. Sit your ass down somewhere in your crib and dial up some porn on the internets and jerk off. Now do the same thing.... except outside in your front yard, local park, Starbucks, whatever, the important item here is to be in a public place. Let us know which location works best for you...legalwise.
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