Wait...

"...It also damages all that we have fought for to make our profession look like a responsible, legit business that should be legalized."

Where is it written that the hobby isn't 'legit' because others make decisions you're not in agreement with? As many have already alluded to, BBFS is more prevelant than many may have believed(myself included). However, it's not for you, me(or anybody else) to say what's 'right' or 'wrong',or what's 'legit' or not. The decision to venture down that road(bb)is up to those involved. If they've weighed the risks and feel comfortable doing it, then that's their business.

Now, for whatever it's worth, I don't personlly practice the 'art', but I'm certainly not of the mind it's wrong for others to do so.

INTERESTING that most of the responces here are in contrast with the current survey results.

I wonder if this is a circumstance of people being unwilling to admit 'publicly' to their preference for partaking in the activity?

I will be the one to open the can of worms.  I personally like to find out who out there offers BBFS?  Who is into it?  Who is repulsed by it?  Lets get it all out there.  I am sure it is something that everyone has wanted to know about for one reason or another.  It is now longer a taboo subject thanks to TER's new policies, so lets talk about it.

Personally I would never pursue BBFS, I value my health way too much. However it would be nice to know who does provide them. As a personal reference I would avoid providers that do offer BBFS as in my opinion there would be a higher risk of catching something if the cover would fail. I have been on the scarry end of a cover failure, and it is very scarry process. Even though the provider was clean and had her testing reccords with her it was a nerve wrecking ordeal.  Some STD tests take months even a year or more after exposure to show a positive result. Frankly I wouldn't leave my health to chance.

Why? (Curious about your viewpoint).

well as someone who has been in the hobby for a few years... i hate to tell you that a great number will do bbfs for a little extra...even some that you would never think of...so i dont know if you are ever really safe

you can find it. I've had a few regulars offer me BB as a perk (or they just wanted to), so lots of people are "into it".

This is all just-for-the-fun-of-it. Not worth the risk IMO. A really good provider can make you so much happier anyway.... I don't even consider BBFS. Some of the gals that do massage (panties stay on) will leave you dreaming about them for weeks. You can't help but repeat. BBFS would leave me feeling weird for weeks, running for the red door clinic every other week, and waiting for a really big surprise in about 38 weeks.

Umm... I'll pass.

Yup, I do. I've been practicing BBFS for over 4 years(you wouldn't believe the number of woman I've hobbied with this way)

What's amazing is how surprised - or not - people would be at how many girls in the MN. area actually provide the service(Many very well known & 'popular' to this board).

By the way, I get 'tested' every three months(religiously) and have NEVER caught ANYTHING.

The 'risk' evertyone makes mention of while real, is grossly over-inflated(especially HIV). Do the research and become educated.

Health aside, I'd really hate for a provider to call me up as her baby-daddy.

Pregnancy is the least of your risk!

seriously i will never do that. YOu never know what that lady have and i don't want to die too young

BBFS is NOT for me....never has been and never will be.

Been offered once from a provider I have seen for awhile. I would like to think that she just offered it to me, but in reality other then seeing her once a month for a year. She does not really know me, nor I her. It was the last time I seen her. It sucks trying to find someone regular, but I remind myself that it is just a hobby and only fun when risk is minimal.

Four times over my career it "just happened".  No money or anything extra discussed beforehand or afterwards and I pulled out before the happy ending.  It was just a situation of an otherwise well known and very clean provider getting too into it with me and couldn't stop herself and I didn't stop her.  I was obviously very nervous for a period of time afterwards but nothing bad came about it.

It was foolish all four times and it is one of more than one reason why I rarely hobby anymore.  It's a game of Russian Roulette with me.  They have been blanks four times, but the next one.......

....to watch the poll results.  The General Board discussion on this topic is disheartening, as well.  These might well be the "end days" at TER for many providers if this "can of worms" is now being opened. What will be next?  Why stop here?  Even BBBJ is a risk, but BBFS is like playing Russian Roulette.

I find it disheartening and discouraging that ANY providers and/or clients think so little of themselves as to allow this risky behavior.  It also damages all that we have fought for to make our profession look like a responsible, legit business that should be legalized.

'Tis a sad day for me, here at TER.

I hate to tell you but it is already talked about. I have had several men message me asking if a provider did BBFS because they heard she did.  Everytime whether it was offered or not, I just said I didnt know and they needed to ask them.  I agree its very risky but in my adventures I would say that over 50 % easily have offered it, the percentage could be as high as 60%. These are not all in minnesota but just in my adventures.

If I were going to ask for BBFS, I'd expect to have to bring a very recent test result to show to the provider. Even then, I'd probably expect to be turned down.

If a provider offered BBFS, I'd ask to see her very recent test, and I still might turn it down.

Being able to look on TER to see which providers offer BBFS occasionally or regularly would be info I'd use when making a provider decision, but it wouldn't absolve me of my responsibility to hobby safely.

Can't see how that by itself would be controversial.

The ONLY person who will stick a bare dick in my pussy is my man.

Can of worm opener.......I'll give you an uncovered bj, but you shall not cum in my pussy!!!!!

Methinks that I speak for most providers on this one.

Exactly.  If it wasn't for the alias feature you wouldn't hear me discussing it.  It exists.  Plain and simple.

What if you, or I, were at Wild Bills and hit it off with the sexy lady on the next stool and she invites you back to her place. She's way into you and says "don't worry I'm safe".  Probably know less about her past than some of the ladies on here. Do you go for it because she "looks" safe and clean?

Either way no BBFS on this coast for me. If it's your thing, provider or hobbyist, have at it.

Going to be harder to get into Red Door for a checkup?

I will never provide BBFS, not for any amount of compensation. However much it was, it wouldn't be worth my life!

All it takes is one "trusted provider" or one " trusted client" and hello new friend that changes your life.  Sorry but I like to pee pain free.

I wouldn't even consider going that route.

Even with the hot girl at wild bills no rain coat no fun. I have been there and managed to think with the head on top and just take 10 mins to go buy rain coats instead of risking it.

I've met a number of girls over the years who used no form of birth control other than a condom.

This is a very touch subject and it's easy to see someone with an axe to grind to try and label a provider as one who offers BBFS or a client as one who seeks it.  It may well be complete BS but it will still be in the back of people's minds.

NFW I would ever consider this.

This is a trend growing from the left coast.  I hope it does not make it here.

It seems to be the case for other items on the menu - so why will this be much different?

Also, TER tends to let reviews stand as written, even over objections. Will this be treated the same?

There are numerous risks that go beyond HIV.  I personally watched the best man from my wedding waste away from hepatitis.  Risks seem acceptable until you witness the results...  Your post is likely only entered to provoke reaction anyway because it is unacceptable to believe that multiple people could be so f*&%ing stupid...  By the way, nice to see you post your ignorance from an alias.  Ironic.

..... like "oh it happens anyways" etc I think even if the results are exagerrated a little bit....that's it not too far off imo. My gut feeling that's all.

This just brought up the memory of one girl who not only required a cover, but one with spermicide in case the cover breaks. Bit of a problem when all that was left was just a plain one. Though had to admit that it got me thinking, and yes I agree with Derpdydoo. Don't need or want any little organ donors running around at this time.

I think if the vote were limited to VIPs or even adding non-VIP members, we might see different results. (Similar polls on other sites have much different results.)

To me the poll only shows how many don't care about the POLL more than anything, with many voters just voting "Hell yes ..." for the fun of it.

It also appears that you can vote more than once. This poll may be the on of the least reliable I've ever seen and shouldn't be taken seriously at all.

For the past four or five years, I have routinely inquired about the availability of BBFS when contacting providers.  The answer to this question helps me to quickly get a sense of the provider's attitude toward her work and her clients.

Very few providers seem offended by the question.  Some providers will make BBFS available with an extra charge, some indicate that BBFS is available and don't mention an extra charge, some refuse to make it available at all.  

In summary, if this is what you are seeking, it is widely available.

In addition, IMO, aliases and bareback reviews do not mix well.  This is trouble in the making.

I guess I don't understand this response.

The question of whether a provider should or shouldn't provide BBFS is very different from the question of whether a provider who does or doesn't provide BBFS should be identified as such. The lack of reporting certainly hasn't stopped hobbyists from asking for or providers from offering BBFS, as we've seen elsewhere in this conversation. Personally, I'd like having the information.

I could imagine one significant downside to reporting - if a provider is reviewed as offering BBFS, some hobbyists may go into a session expecting it, even if the provider normally restricts her BBFS to trusted clients or clients who provide documentation. Let's face it, fellas, even a provider who advertises that 'our time together is all about you' won't (and shouldn't, IMO) agree to something that puts her in danger.

Because of that, I can imagine that a provider who is selective about who she will provide BBFS to would likely ask that a hobbyist not mention it in his review. Thus the official 'ban' becomes instead an ad-hoc, self-imposed ban for some subset of providers. Despite my wish for information, I'm not sure this situation helps me, so I'll just keep doing things the way I've always done them, with an eye toward my safety and the safety of my provider.

With an indication of the demand, one might foresee a trend toward this on the menu from the more desperate of providers, especially in a bad economy. This site will become a magnet for those hobbyists that frequently crave this, and by making it easier for those connections we increase the risk for everyone.



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While I agree with your policy, you would be very surprised by how many established providers do indeed allow bbfs selectively to favored regulars and will never admit it.

Alot of the previous posters have said they wouldnt do bbfs or even see someone who has but have we forgotten that stds are passed through oral as well? Dont get me wrong, I would NEVER do BBFS, but then again I also dont do BBBJ. My health is too important and so is yours! Some may say im prude, but no amount of money is worth the risk, IMO.
Providers and the men who visit them have one of the hightest rates of transmission. Think about that the next time you say "it just doesnt feel as good"
We all have a responsibility to each other to take of our health and get checked regularly as well.
No judgement to anyone who offers or wants either, just be careful ladies and gents, these issues are too serious to take lightly.

Khloe, I have a question for you, and I am not meaning this to sound condescending, but you will not do bbbj, but you do allow daty.  Isn't that just as dangerous for you as it is for the hobbiest?   I may not be as educated on the subject as I think I am.  All of this is the reason that I primary see massage girls, and the times that I do venture out I refuse to do daty and I love bjs, but I always request a cover.

Oh, I do! ALL THE TIME! SURE, FOR A FEW EXTRA BUCKS!
THEN I PUT A BULLET IN A GUN AND PLAY RUSSIAN ROULETTE AT HOME! YEY!
COULD YOU FIND A DUMBER TOPIC?!?!?  OH "dumber" is not a word? Oh, makes just about as much sense to me as THIS TOPIC!

This makes me want to run very fast and very far away from the hobby.  I'm literally scared.

Using the experiences of any one person as representative of the average results is not a good idea.

Obviously, this is not being done with anything remotely like the rules a poll designed to get accurate results would have.

You ask them about BBFS before meeting them and you still get an appointment? WTF am I doing wrong?

Yes, STDs can be caught through oral sex but from what I have read the chances are less, particularly for the HIV virus; I don't think they have found one case of AIDS they could prove was transmitted orally.

And the use of covers is not a guarantee of safety; you can still catch something.  The only way to be risk free is not to have sex.

My view is that BBFS happens far more frequently in the hobby than most of us suspect.  The only thing you can really control is what activities you will do.

So long as you are safe in what you will do, the odds are well in your favor.   I believe the reality is that most people in this have bareback sex at some point with someone, whether it be with an SO,  a favored client, or with whomever can be talked into doing it.  And if you are that scared of this information then maybe this isn't for you.

I have felt that if a provider will consider using this type of a condom,
this debate is moot.   mbs

As with all things this is always an option that the providers and the men can decide for themselves.  If the lady is inclined to offer and the man is comfortable let it happen.  As said earlier, pick a girl up in a bar is as or maybe more risky than a professional in this industry.  We should all be adults here and we are responsible for our own behaviors and our own safety, letting it be discussed will not increase the practice just make it more open.

Offered once and accepted while on a weekend with a great provider who vacationed with me in Mexico.  Probably not smart...... but it was a long weekend and that's what happened.  So, it does happen and its not always planned...  

I would be curious if it happens more when a multi day session is booked similar to mine.....

I can tell this... I've only been with 5 and 2 were bb......

sad but true. and met them all on ter.

BBFS is just not an option.  Even in my civie life, I would never sleep with somebody unprotected unless married.  There are just too many risks.  When I was married, I knew my husband was no angel and we both went to the clinic on a regular basis.  Just in case.  Even now I go to the clinic more than normal people, I suppose it just makes me feel better knowing.  Even with CFS you can still catch things via DATY/BBBJ.

It seems generational-as far as guys pressing the issue of BBFS.  Some gents didn't use protection until entering the hobby but there are solutions for that.  Female condoms are a great alternative for gents that have "common" problems with a traditional condom.

My advise to everybody that wants BBFS-Get a wife/husband/gf/bf/ect...

NIce...everybody's 'stupid' because you have a different opinion. Over 100 woman in 4 years (bb) in Mn. - NO LIE on my soul.