When is the next one in the L.A. area?
I would love to attend one of those Trash M&Gs
Even though I would behave like I do at the nonTrash M&G's.

behind Kathy's dumpster.

and no I don't care. But people might be curious.
We're a community here and even the TS side of TER is part of the community.
So my question is
Are there TS specific M&G's, and again is not that I care.  But the real question is:
Are they free to join the regular for not saying the "normal" M&G? How about their followers?
Ok it's a question that maybe some where afraid to ask, but they wanted to know.

"Are there TS specific M&G's?"

I'm sure there are, but I haven't heard of any, nor have I been asked.


"Are they free to join the regular for not saying the "normal" M&G? How about their followers? Ok it's a question that maybe some where afraid to ask, but they wanted to know."

Here is my answer to you, and anyone else who asks:

Speaking for me and me only, the whole gay/lesbian/transgender thing has never been a big issue for me beyond "it's not my thing". Are TG providers welcomed at any M&G I host?
Absolutely, as long as they meet the same screening requirements we ask of anyone else. Ditto their "followers" to use your term.

The need and desire for companionship, be it casual or carnal, is no different emotionally for gays and transgenders than that of "straight" people.

Would I be especially concerned for their safety and well-being? Admittedly, yes. Homophobia is a difficult and complicated societal issue. I would be concerned that my TG guests could become marginalized and isolated at the party, which would not be the goal.

My guess is they probably have their own parties where they can be themselves without fear of repercussion. But should they want to come to one of my events, they would be warmly received.

I met some at some parties.

I think we should have a in the cornfield
meet & greet with some bib overalls no bra
or panties sit on squares of hay roast a big fat
pig eat some corn and have a square dance with some
corn moonshine and a good band with the bottole
that you blow into a fiddle and have a shindig.

Angela

Not everyone is as well versed on issues related to all aspects of sexuality as we might like. Especially with regard to the TS,TV & TG community, and their, ahem, followers.

Most folks don't stop to think that physical gender (assigned or natural) has no real link to gender identity, sexual identity or sexual preference. Even less understood, I think, is how some gentlemen will have sex with, say, a pre-op and not consider themselves gay, bi, or anything other than hetero.

I know this is asking too much, but I would expect providers to be the first (and they often are IMO) to apply a live-and-let-live attitude to others, especially when it comes to sex.

I remember having my eyes opened years ago in DC when I was in a hotel with a meeting of DCs TV, TS & CD group. What a crew! They've got balls.

I was commenting on the M&G trash party everyone
can come and have fun. It was suppose to be in humor not at all with any one gender in mind.

I already said I met some at some parties I
hold no prejudice to them or what they do and I pass no judgement .

seems to me she made a 1 line innocuous comment about transgenders, and then a short paragraph outlining her idea of a trash m&g a la the old Hee Haw program.

i can see where you might have gotten the impression you did though. she could have made a better presentation. but i sensed no rancor or mean spiritedness at all.

fwiw, if i thought angela, or anyone else, was making derogatory comments about our trans-gendered friends and associates, I'd be all over it very quickly.

Homophobia has no place in my space. Individuals are homophobic, and nothing but information and education can cure that level of ignorance. But I for one, won't tolerate it on my boards.

That's my opinion.

Everyone has their own opinions - right or wrong they are entitled to it.  But to slam them on a public forum by an "authority" figure, does NOT look good or should be allowed. And it was started by same "authority" figure too when they are to be NUETRAL on the boards.

I am not agreeing with either side but find the whole situation and the way it was presented totally inappropriate.

Sorry but I had to put in my 2 cents.

The good doctor visited our TS board recently with a question so I thought I’d stop by and add my two cents on your issue.  I’ve been a “follower” of the TS board for many years now and done my time as a mod over there and have never been aware of any sort of organized M&G in any location along the lines of what is discussed here.  There are clubs which cater to TS and/or hold TS nights which I understand to be pretty popular.  There is also a lady in NY that hosts well-attended TS parties at a local club fairly regularly.  There may be a few more examples that I have forgotten but I wouldn’t think that any of these meet the “traditional” TER type M&G you are discussing here nor has the TER TS Discussion board been the place where these were announced or encouraged.

For those of you not that familiar with the CD/TV/TS/TG distinctions let me add this – within this broad area there are very significant distinctions between the CD/TV/TS communities (in my mind “transgender” is just a more politically correct way to say “transsexual” and very useful when you wish to discuss the underlying transition issues and avoid societies sexual prejudices as much as that can be possible).  Keep in mind that a CD (cross dresser) get together would be very different than a TS get together and there is actually very little mixing between these two communities – their “followers” (I prefer “connoisseurs” *wink*) have different *ahem* tastes.  Please understand that it is very difficult to generalize about this area - there are certainly parties/clubs where CD/TV/TS are all welcome to mix and mingle and have a good time together but I do believe you will generally find each sticking to their own.  

By way of further explanation CDs are men having fun dressed up as women – some of these “ladies” are actually not even interested in men sexually, they just like to play this way, but most probably do like men (again be careful about the generalization) and they obviously have their followers from both sexes.  TS live full time as women, they think of themselves as women and their “followers” think of them as women, albeit with something “extra” or “special”.  Most male connoisseurs of TS would not consider themselves bi as they have absolutely no interest in men (but again beware the generalization).  Many TS are not interested in women and it is often much lamented over on the TS board that it is difficult for women and/or couples interested in TS to find a TS providing that type of service.  There seems to be much more TS/GG (genetic girl) or threesome TS/M/F action in porn than you can actually readily find in the hobby.  

Also remember that many TS start out as CDs in order to find out whether or not their thinking as a woman was really a genuine lifestyle choice whereas many CDs have no intention of ever completing a transition to living full time as women.  Accordingly the TS community often welcomes supports and encourages the CD/TV beginning a transition but has little interest in the “occasional” CD.

One more note, a mixed GG/TS M&G would have several challenges.  There are clearly many male hobbyists that are very outspoken against the TS community but interestingly there also seems to be quite a few GG providers that are some of worst homophobes around.  This is very interesting to me because I would think the one thing prerequisite to participation in the hobby, whichever side you play on, would be an open mind.  Perhaps this comes about from a perception of unsafe play in the TS community but let me be very clear about this - unsafe play is just as unacceptable on the TS side of things as it is with GGs and unsafe TS providers are similarly ostracized on the TS boards just as they would be on any GG board.  

Unfortunately there remains significant societal prejudice or misunderstanding about the CD/TV/TS community which is also clearly present even in the hobby.  CDs often lead “normal” lives with little or no impact on their opportunities for education and employment.  TS on the other hand very often have great difficulty in finding a “normal” life because these prejudices affect their ability to find quality educational, employment and even good health care opportunities.  Most CDs are just playing to have fun (if you happen to like that sort of thing – to each his or her own) but most TS face a very difficult challenge to live genuinely as who they think they are as opposed to whatever “equipment” was bestowed upon them genetically.

Take care!


TS Tempted

as sarcasm directed at Robertini's post. While I stand by how I read it, I completely believe that AP2 meant to be yukking up about the Trash M&Gs.

Angela PMed me and 'splained herself.

Mea Culpa

We kissed (not for real dammit) and made up already...

Oh but how fun it was fun under the street lights!!