Everyone has their own individual preferences, regardless of race/ethnicity. If you think everyone else's 9/10's are 7s and vice versa, then maybe you're the one who has the out of the norm. Doesn't make you the expert in Asian beauty. Why don't you name the provider who you think is a 10 and everyone else thinks is a 7? I evaluate new providers by their pictures, in addition to the reviews, and the reviewers. Making a blanket statement to only look at performance ratings doesn't work any better. So, you can somehow choose not to see the looks ratings? Get off your high horse.  I am Asian American too, and I am very picky, but I can usually screen the ones that don't fit my tastes.

Who is this magnificent Asian provider. If you think she is so good
you can easily give us her name. She would be happy to get the
free publicity. That way we would know your criteria.
Give it up.

I am also Asian-American and I second your post.

I've been puzzled for years regarding "... why white guys choose the ugliest Asian girls to date/marry." LOL!

Another head scratcher -- I've been denied appointments because of racial preferences by more Asian providers than by providers of other ethnicities.

I look at everything, including teeth. I don't know why I pay more attention to an Asian provider's face then a White girl's, but I do.

75% of my sessions are with Asians and I am White. I don't seem to grade excessively either way, but I have seen other reviewers with lower appearance scores then mine.

As far as the body, I do have certain expectations when I see an Asian provider. The biggest one is no fat. If there is baby fat, I will deduct a point or two.

Care to post a link of the provider that you are talking about?

And, I think there can be a lot to what you say. My SO is Japanese from Japan, and I'm white from the U.S. I would claim she's a 8 or 9 in Asian standards, but for me she's easily a six on a bad day, and a seven on a good day. But, on a trip to Denver recently I found myself missing Asian women. I met met and saw many white woman, and many of them, I could tell would be rated 8's and 9's, but they didn't do anything for me.

I think we develop certain gestalts (see links). And, this applies to women's appearance. I can see an Asian woman as being more attractive, not as a matter of will, but through some gestalt I've developed in my later years. This same Gestalt is not so predominately in place when it comes to a woman of another ethnicity or race. It still happens, but just not as frequently. Perhaps, Asian men have developed their own gestalt, in this regard.

Just a theory!

P.S. I would be tremendously interest in your new find if you feel comfortable in sharing that information.

Let me preface this by saying I am Asian American. I have travelled all over Asia my whole life and consider myself an expert in Asian beauty. I've been seeing a lot of CV Asians lately, relying on TER looks ratings to guide me, and I almost always feel disappointed. All the girls with so many 9s and 10s were 8s at best, mostly 7s. I assumed it was just grade inflation and this is the best LA has to offer but I realize now it's not that simple.

A couple months ago, I saw a girl with no reviews, just based on the pics, and holy hell, she was the most beautiful Asian provider I've ever seen in my life. A few days ago, I look back to her profile and she now has 20+ reviews. I was surprised to find that many of those reviewers gave her a 7 in looks! WTF!? If I saw those reviews today, I'd probably wouldn't call.

I saw her again yesterday and asked her how someone could possibly give her a 7. She told me that Chinese/Korean/Japanese customers all fall in love with her as soon as they see her but some white customers aren't as impressed. Interestingly enough, black/Latino customers all love her too so this difference in taste only applies to white men.

A friend of mine, also Asian, recently saw one of the top K-providers in LA (hint: she is in the top 100). He told me that she was a 7 at best and was severely disappointed. Every Asian guy I know all wonder why white guys choose the ugliest Asian girls to date/marry.

From now on, I will only look at performance ratings when choosing Asian girls. If you are Asian, it's probably best that you do the same.

I'm a white guy, but I've worked for several Japanese and Korean companies, so I've spent a lot of time in those countries and thought about the same things when I was there.

Probably not just one thing at work here, but I think the biggest thing is a lot of white guys have this Asian mystique thing going and the woman doesn't have to be very good looking to qualify- just Asian.

For example, I knew a white guy that only dated Japanese women (he preferred them born in Japan, but would date a J-American in a pinch).  Some of them were far from good looking, but if they were Japanese, he was a happy guy.  I could never understand it, but I've run into variations of this quite a few times, including guys with a thing for Vietnamese and Korean girls.

I don't think I've ever seen a white guy marry a hot Asian woman, they all seem to be 6-7's at best, one I know is a 5, which makes me think they're susceptible to the Asian mystique thing too.  Right now I know 7 white guys with Asian wives, none of which I would date, in my fairly small circle of acquaintances.

When I was in Korea, I spent a lot of time with my Korean counterparts, including a lot of time at the hostess bars.  I noticed a difference between how the local Korean men and we white guys were attracted to the different Korean hostesses.  The Korean men were most attracted to the women with strong Korean features, whereas the white guys were attracted to the women that were, for lack of a better term, a little more Western looking- the type you might see as models for international companies.  Since I was one of the senior guys, I always got the the good looking ones assigned to me.  The problem was, they were never the ones I thought were the prettiest.  So there was definitely a difference in taste.

I remember one time there was all this talking back and forth in Korean directed at this one girl.  Since I thought she was the best looking girl of about a dozen, I assumed they were flirting with her.  When it settled down I asked my Korean friend what was going on and he told me they were giving her a hard time because she didn't look Korean enough.  Maybe not, but I thought she was stunning and would have traded mine for her in a minute.  Since both Chinese and Japanese influences are found in Korea, and it can be a touchy subject, I didn't ask anymore questions.  But I could never get over how the most beautiful woman in the room to my Western eyes, was taking a bunch of shit from these Korean guys because she didn't look Korean enough!

What? You were denied appointments by Asian providers because you were Asian? Most Asian providers I've talked to prefer Asian customers. In fact, most providers in general prefer Asian customers because they think we are quick and easy and the stereotype that we are smaller.

"I am Asian American too, and I am very picky, but I can usually screen the ones that don't fit my tastes."

Really? Take Tila OMG for example. Her pics fit my tastes completely, the girl in the pics is a 10 for me. She has glowing reviews, many 9s and 10s.

However, in real life, she is a 7 at best. Her face is much fatter, rounder than pics. She has horrible plastic surgery on her eyes that make her look very unnatural. Love the pics, love the reviews. How should I have screened her so that I wasn't disappointed?

Almost every trip ended with getting us laid on our last night in country.  Now, this was in Korea, not Japan.  In Japan, they'd send you home with a hangover, but nothing else.

The K-girls weren't into oral like American girls.  But they were fine except for that.  Maybe this has changed now, but back when I was going, the girls would have to sign in at the front desk as your guest for the night, so there wasn't much hiding what you were doing.  But it wasn't looked down upon like in the US.

I'd always give them cab fare home, and usually bought them breakfast too.  It's just considered good practice and you didn't want word getting back to your Korean counterparts that you didn't treat the girls well.  Especially since the objective was to come back and do it again next time.

I suspect I could have never found these places, or been allowed admittance, without being the guest of a Korean.  They weren't places for tourists looking to get lucky, they were mostly for Korean businessmen and their guests, and were tucked away in places you'd never find on your own.  Although one of them was a big three building complex up on a hill, but I think it offered regular party rooms as well as the kind of service we had.

And just so nobody misinterprets my previous post, I thought there were more pretty girls walking around the streets of Seoul than most places I've been.  So there was a lot to like.  

Oh, one more story- at this one place we used to go to, the way they broke the ice and got the party started was the mamasan would sell the group a box of a dozen thong panties.  Each girl would then stand up on the table, and you'd lift her skirt and take off the panties she was wearing.  Then you'd put on the new ones you just bought her, making sure you took you didn't go too fast.  By the time you'd gone around the table, you were in a party mood.  Damn, that was a fun custom!

i mean of course there are some girls no guy whatever race can't deny isn't hot but most guys it has to be influenced by their race.

i mean i see white girls or black girls who the guys in that race think are hot and i think are medicore.  even some of the white or latino TER girls who get 9s and 10s for looks I look at them and i think WTF.  at best 6 for me.

and also influenced by your physcial perferences, i seen some kgirls some guy says is hot and i should go see her and then i get there and shes short, chunky, etc.  i like tall slim girls but that guy loves small spinner type of girls..

so the classic "Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder" holds true.

She caught my eye(s) and my Johnson...

I've got to know...

DD

First of all, there's the old saying "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder".  So what if you're travelled all over Asia and and you think of yourself as an "expert" in Asian Beauty?  One man's trash is another man's treasure.  I don't dig BBWs but some guys think they are gorgeous.  I'm Asian American 1.5 generation, and I have worked in advertising for the Asian market.   The concept of beauty or attractiveness is even different between Asian cultures.  A Chinese guy may think a particular Chinese girl is beautiful, but a Korean man may find her totally unattractive.  I just saw a kgirl and I told he she was really beautiful.  She said back home she's considered "plain".  You can't define beauty by your standards.  To each his own.

In response to "why white guys choose to date/marry the ugliest Asian girls", some guys actually marry girls not only for their looks but for love, believe it or not!

Now at the top of my "to do" list...

She is smokin' hot IMWGO...

Face-wise, I'd give the girl in this top photo a 9.

The one in the bottom photo a 7.

She looks very lovely.  If I had to hazard a rating on the face, I would say an 8.  Nice body, too, although the boobs look fake, which I am not a fan of.  All in all, I would give her an 8, but seeing her in person might bump it up or down....  RT Over & Out

that too much Photoshop brings about and/or differences in 'the eye of the beholder' - I  PM reviewers whenever possible, especially if we've seen the same provider for a point of reference. (not going to be easy for me, being new to LA)

I am wondering how much Photoshop goes on with these K-girls on CV??? They can't ALL be that perfect, can they? I really don't expect beauty queen faces - but how close is the body to the photos? I've never seen so many Asian's with golden brown tans???

perhaps we need a new rating factor -Photos on site '10' in reality Photoshop filtered OUT '7'  jk lol

WARNING - If any of you ever go to Dallas and see a website or photos by NuDesign Studios - EXTREEEEEME photoshop... PM me if anyone needs more info on that.

I have travelled all over Asia, too, and consider myself an aficionado of Asian looks, but that is not to say i have a monopoly on taste.  I have seen Japanese girls in Tokyo so "cute" they make your knees weak, and Chinese girls in Beijing so sexy your dick would serve as a towel rack for bath robes.  I met Thai girls in NY and filipinas in London who melted me like butter, but, as El Froomsta says, "beauty is in the eye...."  RT Over & Out

I've been all over Asia too... and you know what?  Everyone's taste is different.  Of course, there are consensus differences but really?  You like what you like and you covet what you see everyday.  Maybe instead of asking why white guys are dating/marrying (to you) unattractive asian girls, maybe you should be asking what is driving these sisters to marry outside their race?  Maybe a-holes like you?  Sure, when you're looking for a provider it makes sense to look for the most physically attractive woman available. But when you're looking for a partner, maybe you want to throw a couple of non-superficial priorities in there.

Interesting comment. I also have developed my own gestalt. I'm white, and I am quite attracted to skinny Asian women; and I believe Asian women are very interested in white men, as I think approximately 40 percent of them here in the United States marry white guys. I saw an Asian woman a few days ago who was not a classic Oriental beauty probably by the standards of some men who have commented on this thread. Even so, I was still quite turned on by her. Perhaps it is case of "opposites attract."

Given that you don't think that the majority of the providers rated 9/10 are deserving of those ratings, then you're going to be disappointed most of the time anyway. No one can help you with that, unless you find a reviewer who has similar tastes to you and see his ratings. Declaring yourself the beauty expert and saying that the rest of us can't rate worth a damn or white guys pick ugly Asian girls isn't going to help your cause.

Really? I find Asians are more about face while white guys are about slammin' body

Haven't seen her but 9 from the pics. Another example of a girl white guys like is Minnie. She gets great reviews, I haven't seen her but from her pics, I don't think she's attractive at all.

"The Korean men were most attracted to the women with strong Korean features, whereas the white guys were attracted to the women that were, for lack of a better term, a little more Western looking- the type you might see as models for international companies."

Really? That's interesting because I tend to notice the opposite. White guys seem to like more "chinkier" features, for the lack of a better word while Asians like more Western features. Koreans all think Lee Hyori is a goddess whereas Lucy Liu and Sandra Oh attract white guys. Personally, I think they are both ugly.

Does the term Eurasian  seem to fit here?

that was a great heart felt post and with an alias??? okay, so I am new and not having sharks jump on my sensitive posts.

I agree - why does OP have to say - white guys marry ugly Asians?

Obviously - 'white guys fall in love with wonderful women who happen to be Asian' - that is how life/love works.

I could write a few, mmm not novels, but more than a few paragraphs about what drives me wild about Asians... not here, suffice it to say, given the same general appearance and that all so important K factor - I still prefer my home-grown ladies that measure up on the superficials - those that do, know how to excel on the rest... mmm, I just gave myself a boinger. now where's my ATF when I need her.. LOL

All those photos have been touched up. A good give away is the bellybutton. Check for long vertical stretching, that is unnatural regardless of the pose.  I think the ter ratings are not very useful. Most of us know that anything less than an 8 hurts a girl and her chances to interest customers. I love the way many Korean beauties look and smell. The thin pettite ones. I do a lot of research before meeting a new girl. Checking her photo and reading the reviews. I never expect the girl to look exactly like the photos and have also pm'd a few other brothers. I have not been disappointed using those parameters.
I know some Asian dudes who like curvy girls and some white dudes who like thin model types. I wonder if the preferences might be due more to a guys size and build as opposed to his skin color?  I like smaller thin girls and my football and basketball type friends like bigger curvier girls. They want more cushion and I like less.

But, "ugly!"  Reeaaally?!?!? :s

For example, my buddy has a Chinese wife and they've got the cutest son in the world (half Chinese, half white).  When they went to China to show off the kid to the relatives, I thought they wouldn't be too happy to see a white guy show up, but it was the opposite.  His wife said the Chinese typically think a mixed race baby is more attractive and they have no problem with it.  At least, that's what his wife said and their relatives seemed to bear it out.

Now, the situation is just the opposite in Japan.  It can be very difficult for mixed race Japanese, and they're never really considered to be true Japanese.   Japan has a much stronger sense of racial/cultural purity, for lack of a better term, and it matches their definition of ideal beauty.  The Japanese ideal definition of  beauty is one of very traditional Japanese features.

As for Sandra Oh and Lucy Liu, I don't think either of them are attractive and the fact that they're popular in America just proves my point about what happens when American men are wearing their Asian goggles and fall victims to the Asian mystique.  I don't think either of those two women would be considered pretty enough in their home countries, or have the sort of careers they have in the US.  Sandra Oh isn't even in the Top 500 of the most attractive Korean women I've seen in Korea.

But there will always be guys that are attracted to someone who is different or exotic looking.  How else could you explain Yoko Ono- one of the most unattractive, truly unpleasant and least talented people ever, and she causes John Lennon to completely go off the rails and follow her around like a puppy dog!

I am just a sucker for a pretty Asian face.
Most of the Asians have the nice bodies already.

I've sampled every color, flavor and hue in the rainbow. I guess my parameters are so wide, in terms of what I find attractive, of what turns me on, I find this discussion a bit mistifying. I do remember one beautiful Korean nurse that I dated many years back.....but that's another story.

MfSD>>>>

This again shows that your "expert" opinion is not the prevailing viewpoint. Who says that Lucy Liu and Sandra Oh "attract" white guys? You confuse popularity with attractiveness. Like most actresses in popular TV shows and movies, they have their followings, but that doesn't mean that white guys in general are "attracted" to them. Also, perhaps Lee Hyori would also be worshipped in America if she was as big a pop star as in Korea, but she is unknown here. If she was not a pop star in Korea, she would just be another Korean girl. If Kim Yu-Na was not the Olympic and World champion and did not have all the media sponsors, you think anyone would be "attracted" to her?
btw, using the term "chinkier" is derogatory and you should know better.

So how many of the Japanese women do you find attractive?

They all go up in appearance scores once they go down on you! Observing that sight is quite the heady experience!

I agree most CV k-girls are not that attractive and I guess the reviewers give them high grades because of the low rates. My guess is if they would charge 500 their grades would be much lower.

in modern history means more than the ubiquity of blue jeans and Mcdonalds.  Even aesthetic perceptions are, imperceptibly, set by western standards.

I agree with Wasian that Asians tend to consider caucasian-like features in Asian women as attractive, such as a tall, straight nose, small lips, defined chin.

Whereas, for white man, they take the caucasian physiognomy for granted and are therefore looking for something different or even exotic in asian women, more as an end in itself than a mimic of western standards.

But all the pysical attributes aside, I personally think Asian women are more attractive because they are just more feminine than white women, who tend to be too "independent," egocentric, etc.

Lucy and Sandra's attractiveness is in their personality and style. If they were model material like grace park they would have maxim shoots. Nobody is mistakening the ladies you mentioned as hotties.

Personally, I think u are an idiot.  You say you'e Asian and you actually used "chinkier" as an adjective?  That's a racist term.

Body 10, face 9 or 8.

Just like I'm guessing (but also based on pics) a guy is going to give a 500 girl the same or higher numbers not because she is more attractive but because he'll otherwise feel like a chump for paying that much.  There's at least one K-girl who worked LA in the 250-300 range a few years back.  She'd pick up plenty of 7s, maybe a 6 now and again, as well as 8's and 9's.  Moved to another city, charges $500 and pulls consistent 10s.  Part of it's also performance.  One score should in theory not effect the other but they do.

I'm not sure where to begin with this, so I'm just gonna go...First off, I'm White. My SO is Asian, and most of the relationships I've had----both inside and outside the 'hobby'----have been with Asian women. i can't even begin to tell you how offensive I find your post to be. You're an expert on Asian beauty why? Because you're Asian and you've travelled all over Asia? Whoopdy fucking doo! What objective criteria do you have to meet to achieve 'expert' status? White guys date and marry the ugliest Asian girls, huh? I consider myself to have pretty decent standards when it comes to women, but don't take my word for it, judge by the reaction of my friends (of all different races and ethnicities), when they see the women in my life. Invariably, I hear things like 'damn, she's fucking hot' or 'you're my hero', or 'I live vicariously through you'. My SO is jaw dropping gorgeous, and I've been told that by women, as well as men. Whatever adjective we use to describe women, it's all subjective. And it's not based solely on appearance---or at least it's not if you have any depth at all to your character. One man's 6 is another man's 8, and vice versa. There are intangibles to a woman's attractiveness that can't be quantified by the type of eyes she has, or the fullness of her lips, the shape of her nose, the size of her ass, or the cup size of her bra. And don't even get me started on the erotic attractiveness of a woman who's physically attractive AND intelligent. For you to use such a broad brush with which to paint White men who are attracted to Asian women is more than just generalizing in terms of your perspective, it's racist to the core. So, you've found a provider who rocks your world but isn't universally appreciated by every other man who's come into her orbit? Well, good for you! But if you think you're unique in that regard, queue up pal! It's a long line. And the comment you made in one of your subsequent posts about  whether or not a woman's face was 'chinky' enough? Explain to the rest of poor, unenlightened White boys what a 'chinky' face looks like. The fact that you're Asian doesn't give you a pass when making such a repugnant statement. You're no more qualified to be an expert on Asian beauty than I am to be an expert on Caucasian beauty. So as you stated, Chinese/Japanese/Korean/Black/Latino men also find your mystery girl attractive. You know what, I don't give a shit. It's obvious you've singled out White men for some reason, and I think you haven't come clean with us in that regard. Why don't you tell us who your Mystery Girl is? That way we can all sit back in awe and wonder at the powers of your expertise. Maybe we should contact you before we see a provider and see if she passes the 'Wasian' test. And maybe you shouldn't have posted under an alias, so we can read your reviews and see the bevy of beauties you've notched on your bedpost.

Lee Hyori is smoking hot.  I wouldn't touch Sandra Oh with a 10ft pole...really??? white guys are attracted to her??? lucy liu aint bad, but she aint no Lee Hyori.   coming from a half white guy.

The soccer team? None. Well, there were one or two who'd I consider cute---maybe. Of course, you have to take into consideration that the girls aren't wearing makeup. But then again, if I find a woman attractive it's based on what she looks like without makeup. If she's naturally attractive, then she's even more beautiful with makeup.

"I just like to watch their faces when I'm getting busy"...laughed my ass off and spilled my drink! Beat lpost I've read in a while!

I guess he singled out white men because Asian women prefer not to marry Asian guys because they usually treat them like they are beneath them...

sometimes I feel a "chump" with a 250 more than with a 1k..some of us value the whole date experience not just the "act" and most 250 are not able to provide that. peace

Ditto that.