Could not have said it better. dispassionate objectivity.
I don't know how anyone else feels, but to me this issue of K-Girls vs. Non K-Girls is getting very old.
Quite frankly, there are great ladies in all segments of this business. Caucasian, African American, Latina, Korean, Chinese, Japanese, etc etc etc. From $200 per to $2000 per hour. Nobody has a lock on the "best". Everybody has their favorites (some have larger favorite lists than others, lol). To insinuate that one type of lady is "better" than another type of lady is dumb and just not true. She may be best for you and thats about it. And thats fine. That is why we call them ATF's.
This hobby is supposed to be fun and this site and others like it are great for receiving and providing info for both ladies and gents.
Lets stop with this drama. We don't need it.
Please do not pm me on this subject. I won't answer. If u want to flame or diss me, go ahead. I'm a big boy.
Bond
The drama is never going to end. It's human nature. People in families can't get along, countries can't get along, religions can't get along. The sad reality is that as much as people talk about harmony and peace, history and current events prove that human beings are pretty mean to each other.
This business about political correctness is now used as a veil to thinly cover the ugly realities of the world. Sure, it would be great if everyone regarded a fuck board as a place of entertainment where everyone is happy they are getting laid, but the sad fact is that each person has their own agenda, their own issues, and some have mental problems. It takes a tremendous amount of maturity for a person to understand how their words and actions affect other people. Some people however, just don't give a fuck.
This business about political correctness is now used as a veil to thinly cover the ugly realities of the world. Sure, it would be great if everyone regarded a fuck board as a place of entertainment where everyone is happy they are getting laid, but the sad fact is that each person has their own agenda, their own issues, and some have mental problems. It takes a tremendous amount of maturity for a person to understand how their words and actions affect other people. Some people however, just don't give a fuck.
just open your mouth and someone has an antagonistic opinion of whatever you muttered. Ego as someone else said is part of it too I guess. Agenda's create separation. Ego's make for few real friends.
I am a k-girl proponent more so because I can't seem to find service as consistently solid as I find in that world...and yet I have had many shitty experiences there too.
I wish people would worry about their own cheese before spreading it all over someone else's bread....
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And I wholeheartedly agree.
Whatever people may try to say, egos will always play a part in this site. It is just human nature as the General said.
People can choose to see which providers they see it is their money and their preference.
I am a k-girl proponent more so because I can't seem to find service as consistently solid as I find in that world...and yet I have had many shitty experiences there too.
I wish people would worry about their own cheese before spreading it all over someone else's bread....
-- Modified on 6/26/2012 3:28:30 AM
Yes, no one has the "lock" on the best but does that stop me from rooting for my preference? of course it does not. If someone opines what ever their preference is so be it but on the other hand don't try to silence my preferences as well and why I choose to talk about them on this board as an example. If you want to praise the virtues of other providers there is nothing stopping anyone..last time I check there wasnt any law in praising kgirls either.
I agree with you on being a big boy but seems to me there are many on here who are not. I can even recall one guy starting a whole topic dedicated to me and my Yugo...how laughable.
Hobbying is fun, and the LA discussion board is a fun place. Sorry that you may feel there is drama.
Beemer
-- Modified on 6/25/2012 6:45:47 PM
when some people with over sensitivity mistaken personal opinion expressed by the writer as an attack on them and their favorite type of provider. Personally, I like the "Ignore User" button; it saves me from reading the more zealous posts.
derogatory , demeaning remarks and negative characterizations , insinuations and descriptions of the K-dolls by the competition and their amen corner and the haters who find it convenient promote themselves or their providers at the expense of the K-dolls comes to an end.
I have no problem to anyone complimenting their favorites along as they don't demean or insult the K-dolls ( or the alternative choices) in the process. If that happens I shall respond without reservations or apology don't care less about being flamed or dissed for doing the right thing by paper clowns I have no respect or time for.
And for the record the K-dolls i know are not Ross's to someone else's. Chanel nor a Toyotas to someone else's Ferraris neither are they powerless victims of human trafficking or similar situation.
Nobody worth replying to is racist or bigoted against the Kgirls! They are beautiful, talented, amazing and well priced. BUT, people can have complaints or criticisms and not be bigoted or epracist or imbeciles. When I still hobbyed, I saw only Asian gals...I love Asian women...but sometimes I had bad experiences. Doesn't make me a bigot, just a disappointed consumer. For the most part, they are the BEST.....
is a big difference between legitimate gripes , criticism , complaints against any individual K-doll for her service ,attitude , performance, ad etc and blanket condemnation or generalization of all K-dolls. The first may be legitimate and acceptable complaint or grievance the second for my part I shall not tolerate it , just as I would not tolerate hate if it is directed against Russians , Germans , British or Mexican etc who are here to make a living and make our lives more pleasurable. Doing the right thing is is not by any stretch of the imagination but I guess some use the term to cover up something within .
Unfortuntely , while the K-dolls are are admired and appreciated by the vast majority, there is an unacceptable level of tolerance for those who don't even bother to conceal their resentment , hatered and even bigotry towards the K-dolls.
...merely suggesting easing up a bit. I think the Kgirls are dollar for dollar the best providers ever, but sometimes there are legitimate gripes tat have NOTHING whatsoever to do with racism or bigotry. I am suggesting that in my opinion you are a little too quick to call people racist. For example, the Toyota crack.... I didn't see it as racist at all. In fact, if te author was trying to compare a super high end luxury car to a perfectly serviceable but (in his opinion) lackluster vehicle, one would almost have to name an Asian automaker - from this I conclude there was no racism in that comment.
I would welcome your directing us all to virulent racist remarks, and I'll deplore them along with you.
I am not jumping on you so be patient with me.
Sorry to steal the thunder from you or Harpman here..
I took it as a racist comment and it is a racist comment to me as an Asian.
Ask yourself why dont you see it as a racial comment? Is it because you are not asian? or because as a non asian you can't relate to the racial undertone in the comment. If you are asian, are you willing to just take it on the chin? I wouldnt. That keeps propagating the model minority myth that all asians are docile perfect creatures. We are not and neither is anyone else.
Once again I am not jumping on you but trying to get your viewpoint.
I agree that 99% percent of the post are not racist but there are and have been examples of racist undertones in past posts. There is no denying that and this was one of them. I found it offensive because it affects me as an asian..can you say the same? Of course not because you dont see any harm in the comment as I do.
I don't know what race, culture, or ethnicity you are but see it from my point of view as well.
Thanks for listening.
Beemer loves you...
I would welcome your directing us all to virulent racist remarks, and I'll deplore them along with you.
-- Modified on 6/26/2012 7:32:59 PM
Not anti Asian. I've dated only Asian women most of my adult life and have many Asian friends. The Toyota comment as I explained is not racist, just based on the realities of auto makers. What was the original post supposed to do, draw a distinction between Ferraris and Fords? Too wide a quality gap. The distinction was made to highlight the large number of Asian providers, which are by far the greatest number on CV, as compared to the few non-Asian gems. There are SUPERB 10's in all races, but for great service on a regular basis at a reasonable price, one cannot beat the Kgals!
Hi..me again....no malice intended ok?
Ok. see there is a disconnect here...you are now saying that MY opinion does not matter because YOU say it is not a racist issue.
Just because you like asians and have dated many asians or have many asian friends what does that mean? Does that make you sympathetic or apathetic to the issue? Does that make you able to feel what I feel? NO IT DOES NOT.
I have many non asian friends but guess what? I dont compare them to Fords or BMW's or a Volga based on their RACE/ETHNICITY.
I found it racist so why do you as a non asian keep telling me I should not?
Once again and it seems to slip through some peoples heads here...I am asian and I found it offensive...don't tell me as an asian that people can make comments like that and I wont find it offensive because I will and because it is.
Also how would you think that a person from Central, North, South, and West Asian descent feel about being compared to an East Asian car Manufacturer? They may be offended dont you think?
Beemer (the car, not the "race")
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-- Modified on 6/27/2012 2:54:03 PM
I'd like to make some observations and not get into offending anyone. Just because you date someone of a different race doesn't necessarily mean that you can understand what they may or may not go thru with matters concerning race. So even if you date mainly Asian women your perspective is from someone who is non-asian (I'm making that assumption here). Just like I can never truly know what prejudices my Africa American or Arab friends may encounter. And even people of the same nationality will react differently to the same incident. It's just human nature and everyone has a different perspective reguardless of race. But that post about cars wasn't necessarily so innocent. It seems this was to be an example of limited luxury with the Ferrari being the more sought after product if you can afford it. And the Toyota being the car that is not so special (not a bad car but not so sought after when compared to a Ferrari). And the comment "but if you absolutely want a Toyota then go see the K-girls. lol". I understand that his preference may lean towards non-Asian ladies. And who can argue with his preference. But by stating his preference with that comment it was bound to inflame some people on this board. And in my opinion among the many Asian women here there are quite a few Ferraris. So even though you view that comment as being innocent it can also be viewed with racist undertones.
But I have an opinion that differs from yours and Bee ers, and like you, I'm entitled to it. As are you. But I'm not going to change my mind simply because you insist on it. I suggest that reasonable minds can differ on this....
How about this....
Go make the similar type of comment/comparison in a proper context the OP did to a group of asians that you do not know and tell me what their reaction would be...Ask your asian friends as well and see what their reaction would be as well if you posed a similar comparison to them..
Beemer
Exactly, it isn't black or white. I went back and read my post and I don't know where you get the idea that I insist you change your mind or that you weren't entitled to your opinion. I was just offering up another interpretation. In my post I even say that everyone has a different perspective. But if that's how you read my post I'm sorry that was not my intent.
While you are asserting the right to your opinion , and I will fight for your right to hold your own opinion but not create your own facts , you proved you refuse to afford me the same courtesy when I stated that "referring to two ladies as Ferraris and K-dolls , collectively, as Toyotas despite the fact that the ad for the two providers and a different ad for one of the providers states she is available for $250.00, the standard donation for time of the majority of the K-dolls I'd racist"
I have no way of knowing what is in the posters' heart but his rhetoric and the way sounded is , based on my sensibilities , was without doubt racist.. One is entitled to his preferences but should not be given a free pass when he boast about them by demeaning or describing a different nationality as a whole in malicious manner.
You could have challenged my and debated me in the context of civil discourse , but, instead of respecting my right to an opinion ,you used your CR alter ego alias to hurl insults , abuse and maliciously characterize is negative ways. Not very becoming of an officer ( captain) and a gentleman.
Nuff said
Boring. And annoying. Did you even read the original post, lol?
your time that you bother not only someone you consider boring, but then you have nothing redeemable to offer.
I think we all need to ease up a bit when it comes to mundane or benign topics and be quicker to step forward on serious issues that demean or belittle another race or ethnicity or human being .
Trying to provoke someone into an online pissing match is not acceptable as demonstrated by the number of posts that get pulled by the moderators who recognize them for what they are.
The fact that we don't all respond en masse in agreement to every post , remark or opinion is a reflection of the diversity of thought on the board and our different life experiences that influences our perceptions and attitudes.
I do not hesitate to step forward to call someone out if I felt the post is morally problematic. It does not have to be K-dolls or even the hobby life.it has to do with values and beliefs and I try to be consistent if nothing else. You do not hesitate to flame anyone you suspect of being LE irrespective of the fact he might be a novice newbie , ill-informed or naive bro.
Yes we can all ease up on the insults with malice, the negative characterizations etc. And yes not all posts are racial or racist but there are times when K-dolls are defined and characterized in a manner that would not be tolerated if it was used on African American, Gays , Muslim , Jewish women and groups who have alphabet soup organizations advocating on their behalf in the real world and whose impact transitions to the board in a way that posters monitor themselves.
While the K-dolls are dominant force in LA , despite their reputation and success they are not all ideal , if I were to write , there would be 6's and 7's as well as 8, 9 and 10's because they are not different from any other women irrespective of their culture, race or ethnicity
I would welcome your directing us all to virulent racist remarks, and I'll deplore them along with you.
I think we all need to ease up a bit when it comes to mundane or benign topics and be quicker to step forward on serious issues that demean or belittle another race or ethnicity or human being .
Trying to provoke someone into an online pissing match is not acceptable as demonstrated by the number of posts that get pulled by the moderators who recognize them for what they are.
The fact that we don't all respond en masse in agreement to every post , remark or opinion is a reflection of the diversity of thought on the board and our different life experiences that influences our perceptions and attitudes.
I do not hesitate to step forward to call someone out if I felt the post is morally problematic. It does not have to be K-dolls or even the hobby life.it has to do with values and beliefs and I try to be consistent if nothing else. You do not hesitate to flame anyone you suspect of being LE irrespective of the fact he might be a novice newbie , ill-informed or naive bro.
Yes we can all ease up on the insults with malice, the negative characterizations etc. And yes not all posts are racial or racist but there are times when K-dolls are defined and characterized in a manner that would not be tolerated if it was used on African American, Gays , Muslim , Jewish women and groups who have alphabet soup organizations advocating on their behalf in the real world and whose impact transitions to the board in a way that posters monitor themselves.
While the K-dolls are dominant force in LA , despite their reputation and success they are not all ideal , if I were to write , there would be 6's and 7's as well as 8, 9 and 10's because they are not different from any other women irrespective of their culture, race or ethnicity
I would welcome your directing us all to virulent racist remarks, and I'll deplore them along with you.
I recently returned and am appalled by this Harpie dude, and those of his ilk leaking negativity like an anal pore on a crash e-coli diet. Apologies for the super graphic, but geez, it gets old and strays so far from the camaraderie that used to reflect the spirit of the LA board. Thanks for weighing in. Gives me hope that the current members of this community aren't all a-holes.
Peace.
SoCal
of your post which is " leaking negatively like an anal pore ...... ( you can complete the rest since you likely spent hours composing it) . Welcome to the club ,caliboy.
Peace.
SoCal
BEE GEES STYLE!!!! WOOOOOOOOOO!
i'm the guy that misses the point of everything. have fun with your next luncheon, dude, can't make it, but always appreciate it.
It was about the same. Someone had an axe to grind, someone always saw conspiracies where others saw a difference of opinion, someone had their flame thrower always at the ready and always set on high. Part of the price to pay in any free society is the clash of opinions and where would we expect emotions to run high if not in the curious world of the hobby? Sure some play and move on. Others perhaps get more deeply entangled and have their feelings frustrations and grievances running closer to the surface awaiting what might merely be a pinprick to you and me to send them reeling. We can kid ourselves that we can govern our emotions in this hobby but if it ain't true in the rest of life why would it be so here? So as my Buddhist friends might say chaos is inherent in all compounded things.
Exactly!
Could not have said it better. dispassionate objectivity.
Quite frankly, there are great ladies in all segments of this business. Caucasian, African American, Latina, Korean, Chinese, Japanese, etc etc etc. From $200 per to $2000 per hour. Nobody has a lock on the "best". Everybody has their favorites (some have larger favorite lists than others, lol). To insinuate that one type of lady is "better" than another type of lady is dumb and just not true. She may be best for you and thats about it. And thats fine. That is why we call them ATF's.
This hobby is supposed to be fun and this site and others like it are great for receiving and providing info for both ladies and gents.
Lets stop with this drama. We don't need it.
Please do not pm me on this subject. I won't answer. If u want to flame or diss me, go ahead. I'm a big boy.
Bond