I have been in this hobby for so many years I won't even bother to mention how many. I am in the LA area now and quite often I feel like visiting one of the many CV providers. Some I have no problem with at all and the booker will just make an appointment for me and I am on my way. Recently I have run into a few bookers who ask for references. I give them about 7 or 8 of the last CV girls I have seen and then wait for them to return my call. They never return the call, which means that the references did not give them the touchy-feely feelings that they were seeking. I was wondering how someone can get into this 'in' group where the references are the ones that check out with these bookers. Does anybody have a short and simple answer?

Thanks

If you are the Asian CV ads you , based on your reviews, you are already part of what you refer to as the "in" group.Minnie is one of the top girls ,she is due to leave, but if she is here use her as a reference.

Hope this helps.

I agree with you that white listing is irrelevant in the $250 agency asian mkt.  However, if you are trying to see an independent lady, particularly one that is in a higher fee bracket, then the white list seems to help quite a bit. Just my experience and humble opinion.

How can you be having trouble with 189 reviews. Looks like you've seen them all.

I think he's trying to get non Asian CV providers?  Since you have a lot of Asian girls you should have no issues with Asian agencies, unless your reviews are from the land of make-believe.

CV is not one big happy family.  You need other references other than the K-girl circuit if you're trying to see independents.  Get cleared through P411.

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189 reviews and he is having 'trouble' ???

And then - no 'white list' referrals ... very interesting indeed.

I've been around TER 9 years and this is a first... no f%#$^$g idea???

If these hottie Kgirls are so hard to see, and so exclusive - why are they only 250?

The K-girl AAMP have a business plan and screening process they have perfected to a T. They work hard and long hours putting their boies on the line & for that they are adored , appreciated and sought by their patrons. Why mess with a success story, that is worthy of a doctorate thesis , if it ain't don't fix it and if you stay long enough in LA  you'll understand . BTW there are a few who do charge 270 ,300 , 350 and  one even 400 for special GFE.

I only see one of the CV girls every 3 or 4 weeks and I have given a long list to the bookers who ask for references but still do not get the appointment. It seems as if they do not get an answer right then and there from the reference they forget you and move on. If I had the budget to see these CV girls back to back for a few days I'm sure this would be resoved but the bookers don't seem to have a good memory. I use the same one and they continue to ask me for details because they claim that I am new to them eventhough I used them just 4 weeks earlier.

Went to see her a few days ago before she left, but she said plans have changed and she's staying. She said a year but you never know how that goes.

guys who think whitelisting makes them more legitimate and that somebody is suspect if they're not whitelisted.  Just shows you don't know whitelisting is irrelevant in the LA Asian market.  Me, I assume it mainly means guys that have some whitelists asked for it and guys that don't didn't.  Perhaps slightly more complicated, but probably not by much.

Volume, volume, volume. That's why.

can't be korean since you seen some already...

maybe russians or latinos?

if your using one race as reference to another race then i've noticed it doesn't work.

i tried some white chicks with my korean reference and it don't work.  got no where.   instead wanted my job info etc.

if your trying to get into see some russian chicks let me know.

Thanks for posting ,I had no idea she changed her mind. Good news, she has fans that come especially to LA from the Bay Area to see her.

I just wondered why OP had not bothered to get any white list referrals? Just a simple question.

Overall, I do understand the white list factor - in FL being WL'd by a well-known lady was golden, in Dallas her or any number of WL's carried a lot less if any weight due to TER being practically non-existent there.

I am 'getting' what this K-girl market is about... a lot more to get for sure.

Yes Salsa, higher fee, indies are more accepting of the WL...

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I wish more providers cared about the community rather than the all mighty dollar.Sharing is caring!

My point was more that when you see guys making cracks about other guys not being white listed, you can read between the lines and tell they somehow think being white listed makes them special.  Whereas what it more likey means is that they behaved as a hobbyist is supposed to behave, they asked to be white listed, and the provider made a business decision to do so.

I would ask the same question. Not in an arrogant tone, but it a curious one, 'why not?' but you can't detect the tone from reading between the lines of cyber text, but you assume I meant it in a condescending way.

I found it very easy to ask for WL and it has helped.

I got puzzled when, a guy with 189 reviews has to ask 'how do I get references?' I would guess, in a NICE friendly tone, that you don't have any problem getting booked and that you know how to provide references and you really don't care or need the WL's. They came along just a few years ago, by then, most of us had our game down without 'em.

For the record rpd... any time I see a guy with more reviews than me, the first thought I have - 'this guy has contributed to the community more than me' so I respect that. 189 and 113 reviews is quite a contribution.

So I've learned a few things here -
1) WL's can be helpful in some instances.
2) K-girl market WL's probably will not help

I don't think i have a white listing and I am seeing the same girls chuch is.

I know the K-bookers will refuse customers who are "hard", which could simply mean you had fucked for too long. These girls have 9-10 clients a day and if each one fucks for 5 minutes, that's 50 minutes a day, which is not too hard on them. If every one fucks for 40 minutes, that's 6 1/2 hours, something no girl can take. If you do it for too long, they are too sore to do many after and end up losing a lot of money.

Someone asked awhile back why Asians are so cheap considering the quality and it's because of very high volume. The only way to sustain that volume is to have mostly "easy" (i.e. quick) customers. Of course, every girl fears bad reviews so they will put a smile on their face as you pound them for 50 minutes but after you leave, they will tell the booker they don't want to see you again.

If you have giving 7 or 8 references and not getting a call back, it's because one of your references told the booker you are a hard customer. Next time, just give 1 or 2 references, preferably girls who you were very quick with.

Haven't asked, because no need.  If not totally irrelevant in the K-market, probably 99%.  And my comment is not strictly related to this thread.  Every once in a while you'll see a guy make a comment about another's guy lack of white list with the clear inference that the non-white listed guy is less legitimate than he.

hey dennyboy, long time no speak...hope all is going well. Send me a PM and update me on your hobbying these days.

CW

If you cannot get apptmt with her booker, you have no hope in LA.

If you read the reviews of some guys they suggest they are going 40-45 minutes with sweat dripping down on a regular basis.  Yet they also have many K-reviews, which suggests no problmn booking.  So whould they be an exception to your hard customer rule, or might they be stretching the truth?

Men bragging about sexual exploits? Say it ain't so, Joe.

It depends on many factors, including how big you are, how fast you are going (going slow and soft, you can go longer without the girl getting sore), how much that particular girl can take, and how busy they are. On a slow day, they are more likely to take hard customers.

Think about it. These girls usually work 11AM-11PM. No girl is able to sustain guys going 40-45 minutes all day long. Not saying that CHUCKWAH is going too long but it could be a reason why he's having a harder time booking.

That has NOT been my experience with the K-girls.
If anything they will continue as long as you want
with whatever you want as long as it's on the menu.
That is what makes them so great.
YMMV

style and size add into the equation as well. If you're an 'easy fit' and not so hard pounding that can be relatively easy to take... for any amount of time.

On the other hand a guy with too much size and a 'bang her till she can't walk' style/attitude is probably what the lady would call a 'hard client'.

Yes, of course they will continue as long as you want, bad reviews will kill their business, doesn't mean they think you're a good customer when you leave. If you are a "good fit", like Dbara mentioned, going for a long time is probably no big deal but if you're not, you won't get a call back if it's a busy day and there are other, easier customers they can book.

You have made a brilliant, thoughtful point.  If you have seen enough Korean girls and actually spent any time listening to them instead of trying to pound them through the headboard like the porn star that all LA guys apparently are, more guys would realize this.  Eventually, the best providers leave LA, and go to "easier" cities, because they all talk about how LA guys are the most selfish and demanding.  Everyone wants to F@&k for 59 minutes for $2.5 with bbbj, cim, 20 positions and if they can get Greek and a facial they will surely push for it too.  Of course there are a few true gentleman who respect the providers and realize how difficult this business is, but most just want to get their rocks off and don't care about what happens to the girl after they walk out the door, until the next time they try to book with her.  

You said:
I know the K-bookers will refuse customers who are "hard", which could simply mean you had fucked for too long. These girls have 9-10 clients a day and if each one fucks for 5 minutes, that's 50 minutes a day, which is not too hard on them. If every one fucks for 40 minutes, that's 6 1/2 hours, something no girl can take. If you do it for too long, they are too sore to do many after and end up losing a lot of money.

Someone asked awhile back why Asians are so cheap considering the quality and it's because of very high volume. The only way to sustain that volume is to have mostly "easy" (i.e. quick) customers. Of course, every girl fears bad reviews so they will put a smile on their face as you pound them for 50 minutes but after you leave, they will tell the booker they don't want to see you again.

If you have giving 7 or 8 references and not getting a call back, it's because one of your references told the booker you are a hard customer. Next time, just give 1 or 2 references, preferably girls who you were very quick with.