i'm with thespius...i took a look at the reviews for a provider whom i saw previously, and the reviews made her out to be one of the most exciting women on the planet. i remember my time with her as "ok" but nothing special. i realize that your mileage may vary, and when i write reviews i tend to err on the side of being nice (giving a 7 instead of a 6, etc) but truth be told, when i read reviews i kind of take them all with a grain of salt. let's face it, we luv this entertainment, so unless it's a total rip off, the majority of us will be kind just because we like doing what we do, and we like ladies that will do it with us.
and rest assured that the girls do review us clients. they talk among themselves and let each other know who is a good guy and who is trouble.
Yesterday, I visited one of my ATFs, who is the nicest and sweetest girl I've ever met in my life, and I noticed her eyes were red and puffy. I asked her what's wrong and she didn't say. When I finally pushed it, she told me she had been crying for an hour because the last guy hurt her really really bad and she is in deep pain. He walked in, no kiss, no shower, no chit-chat, and just fucked her as rough as he could for the whole hour. He treated her not like a person but a hole in the wall.
When I asked her why she didn't tell him she was in pain, she told me she got ONE bad review and it basically wiped out 90% of her business. She said the guy would've probably stopped if she told him she was in pain but she feared he would write her another bad review.
This is a girl with perfect reviews, a girl so amazing I don't know how anyone could dislike her, and ONE, just ONE harsh review, written by someone who has no other reviews, basically shut her down.
I asked her if she remembered the guy who wrote the harsh review and she told me she was SO NICE to him. I believe her as I can't imagine her being not nice to anyone. The guy came in, told her the pictures did her no justice and she was absolutely beautiful. He proceeded to pop twice, stayed well over the hour, and left seemingly happy. Imagine her surprise when an extremely critical review was published. She called the guy and he said he would edit the review if he got a full refund. She gave him a FULL refund and he told her that TER doesn't allow reviewers to edit reviews.
My heart just broke as she told me this story. What happened to her is just WRONG and shouldn't happen.
1. A provider should not be so scared of a bad review that she would allow guys to basically rape her.
2. If a provider is a bitch or a rip off, that's one thing, but if a provider is as kind and caring as who I am talking about, and you just doesn't 'click' for whatever reason, know that writing a review like that will KILL her career. How could anyone be so cold hearted as to want to destroy a girl after she spent more than an hour to please him and even gave him a full refund? Writing "We just didn't click but YMMV" is fine and this guy implied that all her other reviews were fake (despite the fact that the other reviews were written by established reviewers and this guy has none). IF EVERYONE ELSE IS HAVING A GOOD TIME, MAYBE THE PROBLEM ISN'T FAKE REVIEWS, MAYBE THE PROBLEM IS YOU!
3. Providers are people, not machines, and no matter how hard you try, you can't please everyone. Shame on you, TER members, for letting one review (written by someone with a first grade comprehension of English, I might add) affect your decision to see the most beautiful girl I've met in seven years. If she leaves the business because of this, it's your loss, not hers.
TER has been incredibly useful to me. It's helped me avoid ROBs, B&S's, and has guided me towards more quality providers. But the system is flawed because it is one sided. Providers cannot review clients, they can't comment on their own reviews, and they have no way of defending themselves.
If I were an asshole, I could write a 6/6 review of a provider with pages of near perfect reviews and you can bet her business would still slow down dramatically. There are many assholes out there and one person shouldn't have so much power.
LA guys are so picky and the scene is so competitive. I know a popular K-Girl who quit the business because of the overwhelming pressure of getting good reviews. For 250, they are expected to do everything under the sun and if they make one mistake, and the reviewer will deduct a point.
I've read reviews that gave 6s in performance with criticisms like "she forgot to offer me water", "the living room was a little messy", "She didn't wipe me down after the shower", "she used a tissue to clean me up instead of a hand towel". Who the hell cares about the water you can run down and get for 50 cents or the living room that you spend 30 seconds in not being 100% spotless or the fact they wipe your cum with a tissue instead of a fancy hand towel?! Full grown men can't wipe themselves down after a shower?
In the end, the person who loses is YOU. I know a few GORGEOUS ladies who started out trying to be good reviewed providers and found the expectations of LA reviewers so unreasonably high and the pressure of getting good reviews so overwhelming that they turned to scam upsell agencies. You know, the ones that come to your house and tell you that the rate only includes topless dancing and everything is extra (BJ is $500, FS is $1000, etc). These girls give incredibly bad service, make much more money, and don't fear bad reviews.
If you want quality providers to stick around, the system needs to change. The way it is now, it's a wonder why more providers don't say "Fuck this shit!" and become Rip Off Bitches instead.
One bad review does not make her. I know several girls who have one blemish on an otherwise spot free reputation. Hell I wrote one that really hurt a girl for a while, all true and mine wasn't the only bad review she had, but probably the worse, but I see her back on another site and she still seems pretty popular amongst the guys.
She should have said stop to that last prick. Its her body and she has the right to do with it whatever she wants. as for your other friend who was essentially blackmailed with a bad review,i am pretty sure, not 100%, that ter can help her with that.
Not to be a dick, but she may be the sweetest, nicest, most charming person in the world to you...but you won't ever know who she really is. And watch out for the crocodile tears, as you sound like a guy that could be taken advantage of, and then you'll get jaded like me and have thoughts like, well she put up with the rough fucking because she didn't want to give up the compensation she was getting, some girls are like that.
You've only got one side of the story and you're CLEARLY very partial to her.
I know it's tough for you to believe, and I'm not saying that this IS the case, but there IS a possibility that she's completely and totally full of it and that he's the one who told the truth.
I know that I've seen a girl before who was getting constant 8's, 9's and 10's and when I saw her in person I was TOTALLY underwhelmed. I mean to the point of giving her a 5. For real. In that case, I simply left and canceled the appointment.
I've also seen a provider who was getting constant 8's and 9's in performance and, if I was honest, I would have rated her "I should have stayed home," but I know what that would do to her business, so I rated her as "nice" or whatever a 6 is. It wasn't honest. The honest answer was that I should have stayed home.
But all those other guys saw them as "model material" and the best lays of their lives.
So, I'm just saying...while I understand the point you're making, also be aware that you could have just been fed a complete line of B.S. by someone who knows you're going to be her white knight.
I DO think that Brennan Blake had a VERY good point a few posts ago about letting providers "comment on reviews." The only problem with that idea that I see is the potential for the reviews to turn into "flame wars" where people take out personal vendettas against each other.
The ultimate recourse for your girl, if she's telling the truth, is for her to post on the Providers Board and let all the other providers know who the guy was and what happened. Once he's essentially blackballed by all the top girls, he'll either get his shit in line or go away. Either way, it'll deal with the issue so other girls hopefully don't go through the same ordeal.
And another thing I just remembered the particular girl I am speaking of, took her to the dr, she had a urinary tract infection , was in pain, but still went through a full days work, money is all she wanted no matter what the cost. I hope you weren't the guy that still paid for a sesh just to be her therapist/"friend"/atm. I've seen it before, but thankfully I wasn't on the receiving end, she actually got the guy to bring her breakfast for ME. The perks of being her unknowing wk I guess
Sikish's review of Amelia Rose?
I saw her, too. Yeah...he's full of shit. I don't know about his experience with her, but tell the girl not to worry...first of all it's an 8/7 review. Secondly it's a poorly spelled ALL CAPS review from a first time reviewer. Any of us veterans on here know how to spot a bullshit review and that one is an easy mark.
And knowing what this girl's real profession is, this dude actually made a BIG mistake. If she wants her money back from him, she certainly has the tools and connections to make that happen.
That girl is going to be fine. Just have her booker ban the guy permanently from all his girls and tell him to spread the word to the other K-Girl bookers (because that's who he usually books for) and this dude will be 86'd.
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This thread hits a bit home to me. My biggest frustration is the same concern others have so aptly pointed out. Being just underwhelmed when you walk through the open door and first lay eyes upon a girl that received 8's and 9's. Is there anything as annoying?
I'm disagreeing with you about the relevance of that review. I don't believe I'm unique here either. I search out 7's and read all those reviews. Now you are 100% right, that dude has one review in all CAPS, so it doesn't carry the same weight. We all click to see the scores an individual reviewer gives over time. Someone that doesn't give any 7's, IMHO, may not be a credible source. My concern is that generous reviewer's motivation is to be friendly to bookers and providers, and not communicating useful information and opinion. Although, a reviewer that does give 7's, I read his reviews. That has worked pretty well for me. There is a lot of reading between the lines in this hobby.
But, that reviewer that give the 7 did state his opinion (although not diplomatically) and I would just give that lady a pass based on that review. Others may disagree, but that's just my opinion.
The reality is this is a tough business, but the rewards can be great for these girls. There are definite peaks and valleys and reviews are a huge part of it. It's part of the business, especially when you attempt command a premium fee. I'm afraid that lady will just have to accept the cyclical loss in business till a few more reviews minimize that "bad" review.
Lastly, there's one more opinion I just wish to point out. It's actually important. The previous poster seemed to state he had insider info that this girl is connected or knows people that could get her money back. I don't know what that means exactly, but I'm guessing it's either a threat of physical harm or professional/personal extortion. I can't think what else that could mean.
My point and advice is NEVER give out your employment information or use your own phone. Trust me, you can build a track record with bookers based upon a prepaid cell number and/or Humaniplex. If a lady has a policy, just politely decline and move on. Stay UTR for your own safety. It's not just LE, it's all the kooks in this business.
Just my $.02.
I've seen the girl. And I've got incredibly high standards. Look over my previous reviews. This girl is very, very pretty with an absolutely FANTASTIC body. That review had an agenda.
And as to the perceived "threat," it wasn't, but it was a statement of fact. Most providers have another job or career that they follow. It's just that in this case, the girl's career makes her very much NOT a victim, should she choose to protect herself. And when it comes to extortion, it sounds like the client was the one doing the extorting since he got both service as well as all of his money back by threatening the girl, then promising to remove the threat, then refusing to do so after he got the money.
I know what you mean about being underwhelmed. I've walked away at the door more than one time, and if you read my previous post you'd see that I was on the same page as you...UNTIL I saw who the provider was...and once I saw that, I knew that the review was total B.S.
That's all.
Guy Fawkes: "It's part of the business, especially when you attempt command a premium fee."
Premium fee? She is working at a discount. Try finding another provider who looks hotter than most movie stars at that rate.
"But, that reviewer that give the 7 did state his opinion (although not diplomatically) and I would just give that lady a pass based on that review. Others may disagree, but that's just my opinion."
Yes, Thespius is right. The review was for Amelia Rose. I didn't mention her name because I didn't know if she wants this to be public but I guess it is already.
And no, he did not state his opinion, he flat out lied. NO guy, I don't care what type they like, can honestly give her a 8 in looks. That's about as ridiculous as someone thinking Charlize Theron is an 8. And what gentlemen would take back all the money? That's saying she had no value and every girl has value. Even a streetwalker is worth $50.
Reviewers like YOU are why the system fails. I have seen many providers with pages and pages of perfect 9/10 reviews and when I get to the door, I'm boggled anyone could give her more than a 8. But they didn't want me to review, so I complied.
The way you choose providers, you would've seen all these disappointing girls with perfect reviews and missed out on true 10s because they have one blemish. Maybe he came too quickly or something else embarrassing happened during the session. Guys have huge egos and when they feel humiliated, they take it out on the girl.
NEW RULE: If a girl has only one or two reviews a month, and they are all perfect, she is controlling and manipulating the system. The truth is, nobody is perfect, and if everyone were honest (hobbyists giving honest reviews and providers not controlling reviews), EVERY PROVIDER would have at least 1 bad review on every page.
The only reason a bad review is so powerful is because the competition all have seemingly perfect reviews (at least on the high-end.)
Why so angry? You're a bit emotional. I only stated I would have given the lady a pass because of that negative review. Sounds like that reviewer in question is an A-hole, especially if that lady returned the fee. That is quite stand-up. But, we all try to do the best we can with limited and imperfect information.
Furthermore, I disagree with you that the system doesn't work because of reviewers like me. First, I'm not a reviewer. I don't review and refuse to do so. The website allows you just to pay for membership. I chose that option. You may criticize me for non-participation and you have then no right to bitch because you don't contribute. You may have a point there. But, I contribute with cash to allow this website to operate.
I would content you actually contribute to the problem of imperfect information on this site. You freely admit you provide information that is skewed towards the positive. Moreover, you also state you don't write reviews that would result in a 7. While your intentions may be superficially noble, you lay the very foundation for the current reality. The whole system is a bit flawed. A huge percentage of the reviews, including positive ones are complete or partially bullshit, or even completely fabricated.
You're 100% right, that lady got jammed. Although as I stated above, you're the type of reviewer I'd probably ignore. Now that jackass had no reviews either, so I'd not give him much weight. You appear to have a bit of the white knight thing going and are a bit too emotionally vested. You're right, that lady is very pretty. She'll be fine over time and I would bet will do well.
At this point, this thread is now page 2 or 3, so it's just probably you and me and perhaps the super-sleuth guy. Dude, when you indirectly out a girl like you did, it only opens the door to bad things. Others could have provided substantiation that she was maybe was not all that, she's not worth the money, there are better alternatives, YMMV, etc. . . . You could have totally killed her business and you would have had blood on your hands. I forgot his handle, but super-sleuth proved that when he stated she has the power to, I think, exhort a bad reviewer if she was so inclined to get her fee back. Any intelligent customer that values discretion would give her a pass based on that. Super-sleuth is probably a good guy, clearly smart, but probably wanted to show off a bit and I'd bet he wants that comment back.
You wish to do all the ladies a favor. Be discreet.
I never said the word extort and I never mentioned extortion. That came from your own paranoia.
The rest of what you wrote I agree with, however.
But don't put words in my mouth.
I almost gave her an 8 in looks. Her teeth aren't perfect, she's pretty, but not a model (though her body is CERTAINLY model quality in all levels) and she's not exactly my type.
But I gave her a 9 because of her body. It is a 10 and pulled her score up in my opinion. And her attitude was fantastic, too.
I'm just saying...that's where the "to each his own" thing comes into reviews. To YOU she's absolute perfection, to me she's very pretty with a rocking body and a great attitude. Splitting hairs? Maybe, but that's what this board is really about.
i'm with thespius...i took a look at the reviews for a provider whom i saw previously, and the reviews made her out to be one of the most exciting women on the planet. i remember my time with her as "ok" but nothing special. i realize that your mileage may vary, and when i write reviews i tend to err on the side of being nice (giving a 7 instead of a 6, etc) but truth be told, when i read reviews i kind of take them all with a grain of salt. let's face it, we luv this entertainment, so unless it's a total rip off, the majority of us will be kind just because we like doing what we do, and we like ladies that will do it with us.
and rest assured that the girls do review us clients. they talk among themselves and let each other know who is a good guy and who is trouble.
This is just one of the many reasons we are finding more and more ladies not wanting TER reviews. And I dont blame them.
Like you say the reviewers have the power and unfortunately abuse that situation.
I know several great providers who could no longer take the lies and fake reviews, and all the agravation, wanting to barter for great reviews, etc. etc. etc. and took their reviews down. Seems like they are doing just fine without reviews and are much happier people.
Providers should not rely on reviews as their main advertisement venue. TER was created for hobbyists not providers. I have met several providers who do not rely on reviews and still do well so if she feels such pressure she can ask TER to remove her profile. The system is not perfect but until someone come up of a better way we have to play with what we have.
* A small provider told me about a very big guy (not me) who really hurt her. She said it was like what she pictured rape to be. Then she screamed for him to stop, and the guy was very nice and actually stopped but he probably already knew that she was too tight for him. She finished him by BBBJ. Of course the guy never came back, which was fine with her. Moral of story – she’s lucky for such nice guy. Other guys may actually enjoy such “rape” sensation. One booker once asked for my weight and height. I didn’t mind telling him. It is needed for protection of small providers.
* I also know several providers who seem to be doing fine avoiding the whole TER review process. Previous threads already talked about Ami who refused any review, and Brooke Song who has refused for a year now. Also Ariel Capri, Baily, Shay and Wendy have all gone UTR.