What other part of the story are you looking for? Lol! I filled out her screening form and she demanded $500 to discuss her availability to meet. I ignored her and then 10 days later she again demanded the deposit with a threat of blacklisting me. It’s black and white, cut and dry. What do you expect the other side of this story to sound like? Not criticizing your post or anyone else’s but sometimes I laugh when in obvious situations, people say we dont have both sides of the story. based on the story and facts I presented, I wanted to know if this provider acted inappropriately. from the comments it seems she has...
By the way, a trusted member here has seen the correspondence I had with Marianna.Recently, I was interested in seeing Marianna, so I completed her screening form. I don't like online screening forms and only complete them and provide my personal info when I'm truly interested in seeing a provider who requires it. After being cleared, I wanted to book a session and was advised that we would not be able to discuss her availability to meet in Los Angeles until after I first sent in a $500 deposit. Because I was not interested in such an arrangement, I ceased communication with Marianna. Approximately 10 days after our last communication, Marianna again contacted me demanding a deposit. I did not respond. The next day, Marianna indicated that if she did not receive a deposit from me immediately, she would be placing me on all provider blacklists as a time waster.
At this point, I do not wish to see Marianna and am dismayed that she (1) reached out to me about a deposit following 10 days of zero contact from me; and (2) threatened to blacklist me unless I send her a deposit.
I typically don't give deposits. The few times I have, it has been for same day appts or confirmed dates and times. The suggestion that we can only discuss when she will be in Los Angeles and her availability for a session, once a deposit is sent, is unreasonable. If some guys want to acquiesce to such a policy, by all means, but when there is no session arranged and a guy ceases communication for 10 days, he obviously isn't interested, so sending multiple texts demanding a deposit and threatening to blacklist, is highly inappropriate...
That's another reason why this hobby is on life support.
Providing work and personal info may lead to blackmail. Why can't women use TER Whitelist??
Fake photos, unreasonable "agents "( pimps), Tattooed , branded women, the end of meet n' greets, women who are 6's acting like they are 10's, the aging out of the real good ones, SESTA, COVID-19, I need a drink.
Or the ones who photoshop every photo of their website and show up 40 pounds heavier acting like nothing happened...
"Couples add $300 per hr
*There will be a travel fee of $200 for all outcall locations over 1hr away
*Deposits are required for ALL new clients, NO EXCEPTIONS!
*Deposits are non refundable, but they are transferable toward a future date
*The Standard Rates listed above are the same while on tour
*Get $200 off your next appointment HERE "
That is from her personal website.
Now, I would agree that it is far from clear when that new client deposit is required but it might be she applies it to the application and screening stage. She may simply want the customer covering the costs of screening if they later bail.
She does have some really good reviews that seem legit. She also has some that are a bit more questionable and the one rip-off review.
Good luck with things -- and if you have other providers that might be able to help you out if you end up on some BL you might want to ask them.
I can’t speak for all gentlemen but for me, just because Im interested in a provider on October 1 or 1 week later, doesnt mean Im interested in seeing a provider indefinitely and at any time she may be available. Giving personal info on a screening form shows a gentleman is interested in an appt. If a provider cant tell me if they are in LA, when they will be in LA, and on which day we may be able to meet, Im not interested in sending a nonrefundable deposit.
It’s very presumptuous to think that just because someone wants to see you one day, they want to see you on whatever date and time you happen to be available in the future, and therefore they are ok with you holding a $500 non refundable deposit.
What’s the point in Marianna asking for desired appt date and time on screening form, if after you pass her screening, she says I wont tell you when I’m available until you send me $500 to guarantee you will see me no matter what or I get to keep your $500. Unreasonable to me but Im ok if other guys are ok with it. If Marianna had said, Im available October 5 at 8pm but we can only confirm that session if you send a deposit today, I would be ok with that. That’s not what happened here...
You don't know what happened "here". We have a very short history from one side. I'm not saying they guy is BS, I do think he is being honest and reasonable. I also agree with your position -- other than I would not pay any deposit at all. If she comes to my area and has availability I would perhaps see her but pay when I arrived. I don't care to be someone that is footing the travel bill up front and might be something that falls through. But that's me. As you say, everyone makes up their own mind on what works.
The only point I was making was her ad is a bit unclear on when SHE expects someone to have committed to the deposit. I would expect most customers would think pay sometime before the appointment occurs but not before it is at least scheduled. But that is not quite what the ad says.
The guy is concerned about getting BLed so it might be helpful to at least talk with her about expectations and interpretations of her ad and perhaps she would understand and back off the threatening stance. That seems to be the big concern in the OP. Arguing about whether or not a deposit should be asked for before any date for the appointment is set doesn't do anything to help resolve the threat problem.
Let’s call a spade a spade. Marianna thinks she’s smart and has come up with a novel business model under which if you show interest in her and take the time to fill out her screening form, you have now obligated yourself to paying her $500 regardless of whether you ever meet her. By filling out her screening form you and sending in the deposit, you have the privilege of her confirming when she will be in your city and what day/time is available. If her availability doesn’t match yours, no big deal to her, your deposit is nonrefundable. The portion of her screening form asking your preferred time to meet is meaningless.
On top of the above business practices which can be accurately described as a scam, she then tries to extort a $500 deposit by threatening to blacklist you if you don’t send her a deposit. Even if you cease communication with her, she will still contact you 10 days later because after completing her screening form you obviously now owe her $500 no matter what. She knows what she’s doing... Who would want to see a provider after being threatened and extorted for $500.
Marianna is a hustler and scammer and any guy defending her or her practices is the reason why she feels she can pull this BS. You guys are enabling her. Please show me another provider who requires a $500 deposit before anything has been confirmed.
This is not the first time Marianna has tried to strong arm a gentleman into sending her money. In the past she has threatened to reveal personal information. Yes the same personal info she claims on her website that she will delete after 7 days. Her other method is to demand a deposit and threaten to blacklist if it’s not sent.
I missed that you were the OP.
I was not trying to refute your experience. I was responding (clearly incorrectly) to what I though was another 3rd party poster.
I do think you have every right to be annoyed. But I do think two lessons are to be taken from here.
First, always read the providers information closely, but particularly if there is a deposit involved and doubly so if it is non-refundable. In these cases it is probably best to confirm just what the deposit is all about BEFORE giving your personal info. I would even say referencing this situations would be a good way to open the question with other providers seeking deposits. Won't really protect you from scammers/extortion but will provide information you can give to TER that might get the person removed -- with the exception of the Rip-Off review.
Second, pay attention to the reviews. There was a rip-off review from January this year. Seems that might suggest a lot more caution when approaching the woman.
But none of that really helps you with the problem of the BL you were concerned about. You can just ignore her and see if anything happens. You can reach out a last time to see if she can be reasonable at all (if not then I would also raise the question about ALL the other positive reviews with TER as well as seeing about getting her banned and all but the rip-off reviews removed). Or you can start reaching out to the providers you've seen and had good sessions with to see if they can offer some support -- they might even know the BL site(s) Marianna would use and could refute the claims there.
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C'mon man
....if you're gonna WK, please don't waste the effort on this lady...
There are numerous threads on her dubious business practices. Ive seen her vids, and yeah....I wouldnt mind tapping that. But not at the cost of that headache! Believe me...your chivalry goes unnoticed with this one....and probably any other lady as well.
...what she doesn't say is that she will still ask for a $500 deposit even if you complete the screening form. She does say that a 50% deposit is required if you choose to communicate by email only and not use the screening form. It's kind of a bait and switch to fill out the screening form and then STILL have to pay a deposit.
On the screening form page, it says nothing about a deposit. But at the bottom of the Donations page it says: "Deposits are required for ALL new clients, NO EXCEPTIONS!" That should be on the Screening form page so that if you're against paying deposits you won't bother to fill out the screening form. You probably didn't see that before filling out the screening form.
I never fill out screening forms and I never pay deposits but since you took the first step by filling out the screening form, when she asked you for a deposit you shouldn't have ghosted her. You should have told her you weren't going to pay a deposit AFTER you jumped through all her hoops in the screening form. That would have been better than not responding at all.
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I was ok paying a deposit. I wasnt ok paying a deposit in advance of her telling me when she would be in LA and which date and time was available. If you have an ad in Eros Los Angeles, my expectation is you are in LA or will be there soon. I dont need to pay any girl a non-refundable deposit for her to tell me she will be in LA in 2 weeks. I may not be available in LA in 2 weeks or I may not be interested in seeing you anymore in 2 weeks.
Re: ghosting her, I dont owe her anything. If a provider says send deposit if you are interested in discussing my availability and booking, my silence is means Im not interested.
I know a thing or two about the law and contracts and going through a screening process definitely doesnt obligate me to pay a deposit for the privilege of knowing a provider’s future availability.
"I know a thing or two about the law and contracts . . . "
I think I may have busted my spleen laughing at this one. (By the way, you owe me for my co-pay for the spleen operation. It's the law.)
I love the white knights who are coming out to analyze Marianna’s website and justify how it’s possible that she’s entitled to a $500 deposit if a guy fills out her screening form. Marianna is a scammer. Maybe she is a good time if you get to meet her but it’s obvious there is no pressure on her to see guys after getting $500 for nothing. Some guys here have even suggested that $500 is the fee for the effort she has to put in to screen guys. Lol!
Well here is another scam review for Marianna out of DC... Sent her $500 and got blocked. Waiting for the Marianna white knights to come in and explain how this guy who is now out $500 is at fault...
So we now have have reports of Marianna: (1) demanding a guy send her $1,000 (after already giving her $500 deposit) or have his personal info disclosed, when a guy cancels a date within the time period allowed on her website; (2) demanding a $500 deposit for the privilege of discussing her availability or risk being blacklisted; (3) receiving a $500 gift card deposit and then ghosting and blocking the gentleman.
Marianna is scammer with very little integrity and it’s not hard to understand why she was exiled from the porn industry.
Exiled from the porn industry...
Id love to hear the skinny on that!
Ive seen a few of her "Davina Davis " vids... and yeah, if it weren't for the whole BSC, blackmailer, extortionist thing...id love to plant my flag in that...but im gonna have to take a hard pass on that. Lol!
But given her antics as a provider, I would like to know what kind of BS she pulled to get run out of fuck films...
Yeah...im a little bored.
I once wanted a simple salad of romaine lettuce, tomato and onion. The venue did not have that item on the menu but allowed me to (attempt) a change from a salad they had that was close. I attempted. The salad I got was an utter travesty compared to what I wanted..romaine lettuce, tomato and onion. When I voiced my astonishment of how far the mark was missed the waiter responded... and I quote exactly now...
"Ya know, it's possible you made things far too complicated"
Best of luck to MM.
Now I'm just hungry. The analogy didn't help me understand your point, but you owe me a meal. And don't think that it means I'll sleep with you later. I'm not THAT kind of guy!
Gents
Call it what it is.. she is a scammer and should be blacklisted for this. If she did not see him and he did not no show or confirm a date, she owes him $500 which is not small change.
Personally, I do not do deposit. I do not care how hot the lady is. I did it once before, many years ago with a prodiver from Arizona who had many amazing reviews, she was in the top tier on TER and I had seen her 3 times and had a fantastic time. I had booked a date with her and a few days earlier she texted me asking me if I could advance the funds to her. She was in a bind. I agreed.. sent her $800.. She then proceeded to cancel the date a day before and promise me she would visit again in a week. She did not. Ghosted me. I called her out on TER. Even offered her to just work out a deal with me and ultimately told her I would settle for half. Nothing... So no, no deposit on my end. The only time I ever had to cancel a date is when I got really sick and I re booked again and brought the lady a very generous gift. I get it. Some guys are not reliable and it sucks but I work hard for my money too and I cannot afford to be ripped off especially these days when my funds are getting tight. Marianna charges a premium, she is entitled to it but for this amount her service should be nothing short of spectacular. I will absolutely pass on this one and so should you.
I've filled out online screening forms... Something not so sure I will ever do again but have never come across a scam/hustle like this before! Maybe I'm not a grizzled vet like some others but usually to my knowledge and experience a deposit only takes place once a specific date time has been agreed upon in order to hold that a lot time?
Have you keep all documented contacts with her? Smart move coming on here reporting this... She could be trying to blackmail you & this is part of her "hustle" ... Whether she's legit or not is irrelevant IMHO this is a total scam.
Even if she were to try & BL you.. do you have any regulars or ATF's that can/willing to dispute on your behalf?
I'm sorry not trying to be one of those guys that are always trying to automatically side with a client/monger or the other extreme being a "white knight"... But this is pretty ludicrous.. Let's call a spade a spade!
Sad fact is there are many "white knights" that cave into this so she feels shes in the right to have this protocol/scam in place. Sounds like entitlement to me! I've personally never ran across something like this personally so I feel for you brother!
It's a shame that people out there who ruin it for the rest of us by pulling this kind of crap. I have clients submit screening forms from my website but I wouldn't sabotage my career and reputation for a measly $500 or any amount of money especially if we never even confirmed a date and time! Charging $500 for screening is comical. Like someone else mentioned though, we don't know the whole story but I do know that if this is true then I'm pissed because she is messing with my safety and security by freaking you guys out to the point where you're scared to death to fill out a screening form. Not cool.
all the guys writing the good reviews either. That is a real problem and make it look like both the reviews and her act is a sham.
Would be good to hear an update back from the OP is he starts running into problems setting things up or passing screening. That would indicate she did go through with the BL threat. If so perhaps you and some of the other ladies might consider comparing some notes and seeing if you can get that mark removed. If everything just goes away then we have yet another example that most of the threats are just smoke and to be ignored -- by which I don't mean not called out but just not loose any sleep over.
I know a couple of bookers and experienced girls and will try to find out if there are any issues. I recently saw a provider who is highly rated on TER. She said she sometimes takes blacklist with a grain of salt (especially when safety and disrespect not involved) because in her words, “some girls lie and are just trying to make it so guys cant see other girls.”
Anyway Marianna has threatened others here with blacklists and divulging personal info. I hear it was all smoke though.
Good news in the sense you probably don't have any headaches to deal with.
It is a bit troubling that TER seems okay to have multiple reports on a provider about rip-off and threatening divulging personal info and leaving the profile on the site. I actually PMs 5 or 6 of the last reviewers (not the very last reporting the problem again) and got no response back whatsoever. Nor have any offer comments in the thread.
Perhaps they have responded to TER but we don't know. That's a problem in my opinion with TER. But if no one is willing to step up and own their very good reviews, I think they should all be pulled and the provider banned -- or at least put in the penalty box until she corrects her very confusing/unclear requirements. Or perhaps put a warning label on the top of the profile so everyone sees that first -- a bit like a reverse "verified" tag. The everyone knows to proceed with a good bit more caution.
Wait a second: a good review is a good review. If it's written legitimately and not planted by Marianna herself or her scam team, a true hobbyist's perspective of a positive session with her shouldn't be automatically dismissed because she scams in other situations. All information compiled together is needed for weighing the circumstances. If there is more positive information than negative, it doesn't erase the negative, just like if there is more negative information than positive, it doesn't erase the negative.
Judge Wapner taught us that it's "a preponderance of the evidence" that decides a verdict.
What other part of the story are you looking for? Lol! I filled out her screening form and she demanded $500 to discuss her availability to meet. I ignored her and then 10 days later she again demanded the deposit with a threat of blacklisting me. It’s black and white, cut and dry. What do you expect the other side of this story to sound like? Not criticizing your post or anyone else’s but sometimes I laugh when in obvious situations, people say we dont have both sides of the story. based on the story and facts I presented, I wanted to know if this provider acted inappropriately. from the comments it seems she has...
By the way, a trusted member here has seen the correspondence I had with Marianna.
LaylaVargo, VERY good points you've made here. I've never sent even a penny in deposits and I never will.Reading this thread convinced me even more not to do it.
Unfortunately, it's done exactly what you said: scares me off from even contacting the good ones (like you, for instance). Too many unknowns, too many potential risks.
this should be a lesson to ptaylor1906 the value of TER white list and P411 .... one girl i had to cancel on ( 2 days notice) flipped out and black listed me. she even texted me taunting saying "bet its hard to get laid now" well no it wasn't because of my numerous white list and P411 references.
things happen and in this hobby which can get emotional you are going to run into a negative situation. the smart girls know this as well. so for a hobbiest with references such a threat carries no real weight.
on a tangent to that, a couple years ago I pulled the plug on the escort hand grenade with the wife. my approach was to do a threesome with her and then let her know i saw the other girl alone later. so when a couple years later another vegas hooker threatened to tell the wife i saw a girl in vegas, that had zero threat as well. ......... in fact i told her i would be happy to report her for prostitution and extortion .. she disappeared.
I have been interested in seeing some ladies and have contacted them. Every lady is free to have her rules. but by the same token, every man has the right to have his rules. I have mine and will NEVER bend those rules for anyone.
Respect the lady , but respect yourself more.... deposit, definitely not. Work info , absolutely no no, . My only reference is my TER. If that is not good enough then I am not interested in her.
Agreed. Everyone is free to have their own rules. But there must also be reasonableness, fairness and decency. After a gentleman has shown his interest in a provider by taking a leap of faith and entering his personal information online and allowing this information to go who knows where, forcing the gentleman to send you a $500 nonrefundable deposit in order commence discussions of provider’s availability to meet, is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever come across in my years of seeing providers..
Yet another scam review/rip off report for our friend Marianna Maison. How many guys does she need to scam for $500 or threaten before she gets banned from here?
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Its been taken care of by TER. They delisted her.
it's honestly shitty that they delist people. just leave up a profile that says "blacklisted" or "avoid" or something.
but I completely agree with you about the White Knights trying to accuse YOU of somehow doing something wrong. Lying cheating cunts like her need to be called out and you should be commended for doing so not critiqued for not being nicer to someone trying to steal from you.
Her profile was already removed. Since her last name was "Maison", which means "House", am I correct in assuming she was a larger woman?
You should see her Twitter. She's celebrating her delisting as if it was her choice. Then she has the nerve to complain about Amazon "stealing" from her because she tried to redeem fraudulent gift cards. Gimme a break lady.
I'm kind of sad there haven't been any more posts on this thread as I enjoy a good meltdown story from time to time. I met her about 3 years ago (and probably 4 names ago) my experience with her wasn't horrible, but I was getting vibes that she could go bat shit crazy at anytime.
Sorry this happened to you, she is a total scammer. I actually did send her a deposit. She was wishy washy and non communicative when she got the deposit IMO. She also seems to think her time is more valuable than everyone else's. I honestly didn't bother to put up a fight. I'm the one that should have been mad. She took my money and disappeared. I just figured it was money lost. But then what she does is she keeps sending you emails threatening you from time to time. Saying you ripped her off. But...I didn't. I sent her a deposit...for absolutely nothing, and in return she tries to extort more out of you. At first I gave her the benefit of the doubt, assuming she mistook me for someone else. But at this point I just think its something she tries on some people eventually, and I can only assume it works sometimes. I personally don't care if the people in my life know that I sometimes paid for sex. Big deal.
Simple. Its the law of supply and demand. For as long as there are supplies of" lobbyists" who give out their real identity on line and agree to pay deposits, there will be demand such as the ones made by this provider.
A month ago I came across a provider that was Perfect for me in every which way. Just the ultimate provider in my book but wanted my business contact info including my linked in profile for verification. I moved on. Not even if she was the only provider in the world.