I don't know who you're talking about but how many
reviews did she have? What was her lowest score?
That's more important than her highest. What were the
comments on her other reviews if she had any others?
I know there are many over rated girls out there but I've
found if I do my homework (at least 5 or 6 reviews, contact
with some of the reviewers, other reviews from some of those
reviewers, read the whole review) I usually don't go wrong and
especially as wrong as you seem to have gone.

...what he's doing by now.  If you read his post, he said he..."saw her based upon her high marks and guys raving..."

That's why he's pissed.

When you have providers asking to be given 10's when they clearly do not deserve it. Two providers come to mind recently. One was discussed in detail and the other one was embarrased by her lame attempt to try to delude herself that she was a victim of fake reviews.

but why didn't you bring up her performance and appearance when you were in front of her or on top of her.  I'm not a guy or anything, but it would seem to me that if she wasn't real into it, I would just change my mind and leave.  I usually know when a guy is into me or attentive especially after the first few kisses.  I just think that you guys would save yourselves a lot of time and money if you just confronted us on our performance/looks.  After the money has been spent, it's too late.

"...I am not a guy...."  When a guy has HS mind set on sex, the big head gets addled as the little head takes over, and we do stupid things; even if the guy s having a crummy time, the little head urges him on!  Also, we are loathe to hurt a girls feelings unless there is a blatant rip off or fraud; once I went to an in all appt with an Asan provider whose profile was 5'2" and 100 lbs and a white gal about 5'7" and 145 ones the door. I left, but tat was such an egregious example that it was easy.  But once the clothes come off, it's very hard to cut it short and leave. We should, but we are men and inherently foolish when the dick gets hard.

and honestly, and I am confronting you on your looks (because you said we could), the least succesfull k girl has nothing to worry about.


I mean all is fair right? You can make baseless accusations and generalizations about korean providers so I can also make them about you right?


fair is fair and I am sure you wouldnt be offended by it since you can do it right?


no hard feelings?

Ahaha - Are you seriously going to go there?  Let's see your picture so we can critique what you look like.  lol  Ooops, I forgot.  It's easier to take cheap shots at someone when you hide behind a computer.  Coward.  As far as baseless accusations, do you not read the papers or see the news?

Sometimes we  do get fooled.
That's why I contact some of the
reviewers and you'd be surprised how
the story can change with  a little
detective work.

I have been perusing the LA board and reviews to prepare for a trip from the right coast.  One of the first things I noticed the grade inflation in the LA market.  I'm used to seeing the average "7" review with some occasional 8+.  I've pretty much discarded the ratings in LA and depend on the quality feedback of in the details section.  Thank you TER members for being a reliable resource in this area.

One other though.  I have read in a few posts that some mongers hesitate to post a low but deserving rating in fear of being blacklisted by a booker.  I suspect there is some truth to this but I don't think I have heard of it ever happening.

If I recall the last major bust involved eastern european girls operating out of a building on wilshire. And yes you are right. It is easier to make cheap shots because you apparentl are very good at it.

Practice makes perfect I guess with all the past posts you had involving kgirrls. Didn't we go down this road before?

So seriously, stick to something you know about. But I guess you making the staement to tell you directly about your service and appearance was all talk because obviously you can't take the critique.


So you are just another hypocrite providing lip service. Tired of kgirl posts? Why did you respind? Just ignore it. That's what the mods say to do but yet you and other love to play the victim when someone confronts you.

My god the inferiority complex of some people is amazing.

Your turn.

Remember this is my "opinion".

Reviews Policy says:
This does not mean she earns extra points for offering these service(s); just that she is now eligible for a higher score. Her maximum eligible score is based on what is offered, not what is performed during your session with her. You may or may not be interested in the “extra” services she offers, but the fact she offers them makes her eligible for the higher score.

a newbie here, very cofused too
How am I supposed to find out if she offers those extra services when you are not really interested in those? Do you ask them? It would be very awkward for me. The profiles are not really accurate often times.

on to indicate to you of what was coming from reading your post. Usually in the first minute you would know how the session would turn out, body language and eye contact speak volumes. Over the years with great effort and discipline (to think with my head and not the fellow downstairs), I have conditioned myself to watch for these signs. Often times I have respectfully declined a session without hesitation and walked out if I feel the energy is not there.

There are particularly two things that are read flags to me on an incall session with a new girl. One who is on the phone when I walk in and keeps talking and one that tells you to get comfortable and then leaves the room for you to be alone. If any of those two happen there is a very high chance that I would leave the session. Any act that spoils the energy I am in, however small is grounds for quitting. I have been far to long in this hobby to know better than giving a girl the benefit of the doubt and assume the session would be great, however gorgeous she may look.

So try to develop that sixth sense and discipline, it would save you a lot of frustration. One should not rely on numbers and ratings.


-- Modified on 10/10/2012 10:33:29 AM

use back channel to help with grade inflation.  people in LA in general are kind of conflict averse, contributing here to grade inflation.  the good news is, odds are way improved because there are sooo many hotties.

one guy's 10 is another guy's six, and you may have gotten this woman on a very bad day.

every reviewer should consider before posting the review.

Three things occur to me reading this thread.

First, loveboat's advice is very sound, although each of us us to fine tune it for ourselves.  Sexual attraction and anticipation is so subjective that it is impossible to reliably generalize to list a set of rules that we should all apply.  But each of can develop our own rules and apply them early on as loveboat recommends.

Second, as to hot brie's point:  Yes it would be ideal if the client expressed reservations up front, but in this vocation, I think that is unrealistic to expect.  The client arrives charged, excited and ready to go.  While there are a few hints that things might be amiss, he proceeds anyway.  If the experience is unsatisfactory, he is already deflated, so to speak.  He probably intensify his disappointment at the moment by speaking with the provider about it.

Third: what is wrong with some of you that these threads have to deteriorate into personal attacks and name calling?  Hot brie made a legitimate (although in my view naive) comment.  Critique the comment and leave her alone.

He saw a russian girl..they get rafficked as well. Let's get you back on that soap box so you can be fair and denounce the evils of HT.

Cmon be a sport and let's hear your thoughts. Don't limit yourself to kgirls because HT occurs everywhere. I guess it is easy to attack those that take away your business (if you were actually getting any).

Reminds $e of the 80's when everyboddy started ganging up on the japanese for making better cars than the american car makers. Good analogy in this case.

Mind you just my opinion ok.

If kgirls in general are mcdonalds then what does that make the local independents? Arby's?

BTW: ILOVEWOMEN, I have no fault in your opinion as it is yours but fair is fair right?

Posted By: ILOVEWOMEN

first - girl in question was independent Russian girl ... i have learned K-girl reviews are 90% worthless between being dishonest and changes in girls using same name anyway ...  K-Girls to me are the McDonalds of the hobby anyway - doesn't matter which girl with rare exception ......

second - short of the girl opening the door looking drastically different from the ad its very tough to tell the session will go below expectations until you are already naked.    and yes if a size 14 opens the door i stop the appointment there.

third - what i want to make clear is that this was not a ripoff girl or someone with bad attitude .. she was very sweet and willing and even came 3 times and told me i was really nice .....   but thats NOT a 10 .... especially in LA  where there are true 10s ...     thats whats great about LA ...   a girl just being nice and not fat is on every west side street corner ...  if this girl was in Indianapolis that would be something else.  

four - grade inflation is dramatically hurting the hobby .... but as long as you have guys that give 10/10 to 80% of the girls they see with the attitude  "well they work hard for the money and they were nice to me and thus that alone they deserve 10/10"  ( an actual response from someone with over 20 posted 10/10s reviews)  then i will continue to only use TER as a database in the future

five ....however just as a database that still makes TER the most important site on the internet  

Once again if you do  your homework you will usually not be disappointed.
I've seen many K-girls and it's rare if ever that I walk in and find someone
other than the girl in the  ad. My only disappointments were when I didn't
perform my due diligence and got  a little caught up in the review process.
If you're smart and do it right,  there is no better combination of quality and
price  than a good K-girl. If you want to call that a McDonald's then I'll take
a Big Mac with fries.

After hobbying for a few years, I've come to grips w/ the review system to some extent.  I completely stopped reviewing after the first year or two, and just recently started again. Recently wrote a review that I considered fair (of course, who wouldn't think their own review was fair...) and received PM about it.  How dare I, I didn't see you, etc.

Many of the replies to this OP are spot on.  Reviews are inflated, gives many providers a false sense of ego, allows some to raise rates higher than they might otherwise, guys get disappointed, the list goes on.

part of the game I guess.  I'll open my PM to anyone who wants to ask me about providers I"ve seen, my opinion, and perhaps I'll find some gems in return.

Cheers.    

Don't forget that local independents are what I consider Arby's. Just a slab of roast beef..dry at that...hey my opinion ok. Sweeping generalizations are on the menu so let's all do it!

an unbelievable k girl.  maybe not to you.  to each their own.  i will be writing my review of her soon, but who really cares?  I just don't know what difference it makes when beauty is sooo in the eye of the beholder.  For instance, I'm not even very interested in the women that you have given high marks to.  but "ilovewomen' too.  haha!

I guess you haven't seen Emily yet. Independent Chinese and
like a filet mignon. Take that from someone who's been around
for a while.

I'd have to agree with dantananot. I've had great experiences with k girls and for the most part find that the reviews are not too far off. Some experiences better and some worse than the reviews. Maybe I'm lucky or do enough homework to keep it positive. But everyone  has their own tastes. I actually have seen someone on ilovewomen's reviewed list and although I never reviewed the provider I wouldn't have been as generous, but that's just me. Because I can see how he and others  would rate her high. I've seen k girls who provided me a better experience. Just different tastes and experiences. But I don't think I would ever describe any group of providers as the Mickey D's of the hobby. But maybe its done to get a reaction out of the community. Aside from the ROB's the lovely ladies of Los Angeles deserve better. As long as your happy and having fun it doesn't really matter what others think. Remember one's Ruth Chris is another man's Mickey D!

Do you mean lots of fat and overpriced?

True in that another man perspective of beauty is their own. But when you have someone like Sexy AA (not even close to sexy) has to lie about herself in her ads and then complains when people call her fat. Same thing with another local who had to beg I repeat had to beg for 10's. you wonder why guys get disappointed in the local talent? Blame the guys that see them and give them their 10's.

I got a better idea blame the kgirls. Can't blame an individual Kgirl because the least successful Kgirl would probably run circles around the top local talent so you blame the whole group or demonize them.

Hey didn't that happen during ww2? Anyone remember Japanese intrmenent camps or the so called yellow peril?
Same thing seems to be happening here. Blame the Asians for Americans being uninspired, fat, and lazy. But once again, that's Just me making generalizations and giving my opinion. We can do that here on ter.

But that is my opinion.

Yes, lots of women from all nationalities are trafficked into the sex trade.  Korean women are prominent in the LA and SF area.  They, however, aren't affecting my business.  Just for a mysogynist like you, Beemer.  I've included a few links that will explain trafficking with respect to Korean women a little better that's if you can read.   Oh, and I'm still waiting for that picture of you that shows everyone on here what a hot, hunky, good-looking young man you are.  I mean you must be in order to put all us American indys down right?

http://worldwidevisionaries.org/uploads/projectmediafiles/Informed_and_Understood_Curriculum.pdf

http://www.humantrafficking.org/countries/south_korea

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/rights-so-divine/2011/sep/26/south-korea-stimulus-plan-sexism-and-human-traffic/  - you need to scroll down on this one to get the article.  

http://instructional1.calstatela.edu/tclim/articles/Final_report_Lim2.pdf

I think the culprit might be the Top 100 list...many providers just want to be on it and will do anything to be in the top 10..it reminds me of one gal in Vegas which is in the top 3 and every time she gets less than a 10 that review mysteriously disappear..she is old and ugly and still gets 10-10

Most of the K-Girls I have seen have been nothing but top notch in both looks and service. But I can admit that I really have a thing for asian women. The main thing is that whatever your preference LA has a pretty good scene and everyone can get what they need. To call out the K-girl reviewers like this is just plain wrong, so if you do not like the reviews then that is your choice but to call them dishonest, your just showing what an a-hole you are in this case. As far as comparing them to the most famous fast food place first they are the most popular and certainly offer good value but are more comparable to a gourmet meal, and it seems all the guys that want in. I can honestly say for my reviews they are all the way I truely felt about the expericence and the service I recieved no inflation from my point of view. But to each his own.

Posted By: ILOVEWOMEN

first - girl in question was independent Russian girl ... i have learned K-girl reviews are 90% worthless between being dishonest and changes in girls using same name anyway ...  K-Girls to me are the McDonalds of the hobby anyway - doesn't matter which girl with rare exception ......

second - short of the girl opening the door looking drastically different from the ad its very tough to tell the session will go below expectations until you are already naked.    and yes if a size 14 opens the door i stop the appointment there.

third - what i want to make clear is that this was not a ripoff girl or someone with bad attitude .. she was very sweet and willing and even came 3 times and told me i was really nice .....   but thats NOT a 10 .... especially in LA  where there are true 10s ...     thats whats great about LA ...   a girl just being nice and not fat is on every west side street corner ...  if this girl was in Indianapolis that would be something else.  

four - grade inflation is dramatically hurting the hobby .... but as long as you have guys that give 10/10 to 80% of the girls they see with the attitude  "well they work hard for the money and they were nice to me and thus that alone they deserve 10/10"  ( an actual response from someone with over 20 posted 10/10s reviews)  then i will continue to only use TER as a database in the future

five ....however just as a database that still makes TER the most important site on the internet  

That's what I said a few days ago:

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=285575&boardID=1&page=1#285575