So I'm wondering if somebody could shed light on why punts in LA are so expensive?  I used to live in London and the quality there is just as good as here (if you ignore the incredible K girl scene in LA) with lots of Asians, South Americans, European and Eastern European women.

Here in LA, it seems that the minimum per hour is $400 for girls who are not K-girls.  I regularly see advertisements for $800-1000 an hour. I also see "minimum of 2 hours" or whatever more regularly here.

Anybody got any ideas?

Just because it say $400 does not mean you cannot put in an offer  for soem of us something is better than nothing  some to not  do specials and say so but others are willing to work  with you  I have a special right now but am leaving Sunday .........kisses  V

I looked but didn't see one.

I service LA, but if I need to get a room in an area that is suitable for my friends to come play that can cost me anywhere from 200-300 out of pocket expense, so I would need to see more than 1 gent to make it worth my while.  I offer discounts for multiple hours & for whitelisted fellas.  Your always welcome to ask for a special the worst that could happen is the provider says, no thank you!

Happy Hunting! xoox

I'm so cheap my shoes squeak, but it doesn't mean I can't monger in LA (not with a k girl by the way). Also check out the OC and San Diego.  As to why it's so expensive in LA? I've long stopped trying to figure out why a providere charges what she does, other than to say, "because she can"

I think the best way is to see the provider (NO MATTER WHAT THE COST), and if you like her and SHE LIKES you ask her to work something out with you.  Most of these girls like regulars, it's safer, they know what they are going to get (they might like you) and they feel comfortable.  I do this all the time.  I'm honest and tell them I like them and if they like me they will work with me....I see them once a week and they work out a price that works for both of us.  Does that make sense.  You have to establish a ramport with these girls first....must don't jump into asking them to make a deal with you...they don't know you, they don't know if you are a good lover (some of these guys see providers because they have small dicks or they are BAD lovers) or whatever the reason is.  I didn't say ALL....please dont send me PMs on this note.  I said SOME guys!!   ANyways......My two cents.   MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!  Santa is going to bring me some tastey PUSSY  WHOA!!!!   :  

who go the extra mile to please, who are clean ,discreet  and have clean apartments and a positive attitude you simply stick to the K-girls.

housing is more expensive in los angeles than most other parts of the country.

daily living is more expensive.

good restaurants are more expensive.

gasoline, by average, is more expensive here than in the heartland.

dude, it's la!  you pay a premium for living here.

plus, the women here (and i mean all women, not just in the hobby) are 37% more beautiful per capita (it's been scientifically proven).  this is the movie capital of the world, by definition the women living here are going to be stunning.

that being said...there's plenty of beautiful women who ask for less money than you quote.  

i will agree w/you that a lot (perhaps most) of the gals asking for 6 or 7 kisses aren't necessarily worth the extra $$, compared to other ladies i have found who enjoy their work just as enthusiastically.  i know one hobbyist who refuses to donate more than 5 kisses, and he's quite satisfied.

granted, there are a number of ladies i wish i could see but who ask far too much for me to consider. they seem like nice people (in all the reviews and web sites i have read, and their correspondence with me).  i do not begrudge them the ability to command as high a donation as the market will allow...iow, if they can get it, more power to them!  i should be so lucky to get what i ask for when i do a job!  (and, to be honest, there are a couple on my bucket list i am saving up for...i'm looking at you, carrie sweet!  and angelina rossi!  and leah lemay!  and kristen klein!  and...)

personally, i myself am finding plenty of wonderful, fun, enthusiastic ladies who don't cost an arm and a leg to kiss your arm and your leg.

just do your homework (advanced search, plus reading the ad boards every day for specials), or else  move back to london (or better still, san diego --- close by, and the median donations there seem more down to earth).

los angeles --- it is what it is....the home of the most beautiful women in the world!

i agree w/madame patricia, i have never had a problem asking if a lady is running any specials that month.  often times a gal will say yes!

It's a business and these providers need to work to make money so it doesn't hurt to ask for specials.........if they lilke you and you are a good fuck...they will give you a break on the price.

by a long shot.  And, it's not exactly a place to live if you're looking to save money.  

There's a lot of starlets and wannabes here.  Headshots, acting classes and driving to auditions costs money in addition to the cost of a car, including pricey insurance if one's address is in a tony area.  Housing and other basic costs of living here are more than lots of other cities.  L.A. certainly seems to come off as a materialistic city, but what do I know.  I'm a native and haven't lived anywhere else.

I certainly have  seen more ads in the last couple of years asking for much more than I would want to pay for an hour of service.  That being said, I see plenty of providers asking for $300/hr when doing research and I am not doing searches based on price at all.

w/all due respect jenny, often times you don't know if a lady is running a special or not.  many women have more complex (many pages) web sites, and the specials aren't always on the home page blaring in big letters.

i also recently wrote a post about how i liked specials, and i got several private emails from ladies offering me prices that was "off the books," or in once case, an email stating the lady always had specials available for white listed ter gents.

this info is not always readily available.  i have been rebuffed (and rather curtly, i may add) by ladies when i asked if they had speicals.  but almost as many times i have gotten some new info about specials.

so, like any other business, i am afraid to say it never hurts to ask to make sure you are getting the best possible.

hope that doesn't offend you too much, i have seen your postings and ads quite a lot and you seem like a dignified and fun lady.

I'll tell you the reason. It isn't because of better looks or better service. It's because of jumping on a rolling band wagon, and/or stoking one's ego. It's like buying an overpriced bottle of wine simply because others have raved over it. And then, when you don't appreciate it you feel that somehow you're the one with the problem. Isn't it strange that in all the reviews these high priced gals have written about them, NO ONE ever says he was disappointed in the gal's looks and/or that the service just wasn't worth the money paid. The reality is that certainly there would be at least one disaffected reviewer. And yes, I am writing this anonymously because I don't want to offend anyone. Nevertheless, the truth is that in all things, even this business, there is intrinsic value and if you pay an inflated premium over that, you're either kidding yourself or have something to prove.

There is nothing rude or even  inappropriate for hobbyists  to ask for/about specials or discounts unless it's is tied up to favorable reviews. Hobbying is a commercial transaction between adults and it would seem reasonable to negotiate a price that both sides consider fair. Ultimately it is not what you ask or turn down it is the manner in which you do it.  

also, i want to know why guys pay like 500 to 2000 to see ladies when they can see kgirls at 250?

Is English speaking that important to some guys to pay all that money?

For me Thier is a price point that I have and I do look for that special rate cause Thier are a few ladies that I would love to see but are above my price point.. I would not feel right about making a offer.. Thier is one lady I wish would really put a special up cause I would be all over that deal but she $$$

Yes.. I always wondered about that. While I was living in seattle back in 09, I never got a chance to see any of the talent up there but one. I did wonder about the price points considering Seattle and Frisco are expensive places to live in. I guess bein in LA does have its advantages in the price point at where it is. Ii am surprised though that some of the talent have not raised their prices considering that even if they do, they would still have a good deal of repeats and new clients due to their talents and great service.


Beemer

Your question cracks me up. Have you ever considered that some men simply don't like Korean women and can actually afford to pay to get what they like? Not every punter has to choose based on price. Some hobbyists can afford to hobby the way they'd like and go for variety regardless of the costs.
In LA, guys on a budget see Koreans because they are cheap. In Europe men punters see Romanians/Ukrankans for the same reason. In the Middle East they also have their own underdog. The nature of teh business.
In LA Koreans just happen to be cheap because coming from a third world country $250/hour is a small fortune for them. Everyone else born in the US will set their prices higher because they have a different perception of money.

And are willing to see them even if they increased their price and would not see the others even if they charged $150, it has to to with taste and preference and not cost. Do not confuse overpriced with good quality or affordable with second class service or looks . Some guys prefer Blacks , others Latinas , while some might prefer whites or Asians. I would not be surprised if the cartel increased K-girls donation ( yes they collectively fix the price) and if the demand will not be affected that much. Ultimately to each  his own and each will pay whatever is  required.

I agree with you, many guys like Koreans, just like many like white, black, etc. But if ALL providers charged the same, I doubt most guys would choose to see the same ethnicity over and over again. There is not much of an overlap between punters on the low end and the high end. If you look at those who review women in the $500+ range and those who stick to $250 and below, you will find very few in common. But if you are right and a price change is coming, L.A. punters are in for a big surprise.

I think it's because there aren't enough straight guys in the Bay area, so they have to lower their prices. Simple supply and demand!  

Seattle? I dunno why.

Every guy here knows that just because you pay $500, $800, $1000 or $2000 per hour, it doesn't mean you will get better service. In fact, often times the performance of a kgirl will far exceed her higher priced competition.

This is all highly subjective, of course, but I also happen to think that Korean women are the most beautiful in the world. I have hobbied at all price levels and no where else have I found such consistency in beauty and performance than I have in the kgirl scene. It is simply unsurpassed.

I suspect anyone who argues otherwise is desperately trying to support a higher price point.

In the past we have had independent K-girls who charged $300 and had no problem staying busy Irene , Hosi and Seeya the most reviewed K-girl come to mind , more recently Audrey  was charging up to $400 and at the time she quit she was arguably the most in demand K-girl. Beside cost and taste there are other factors including attitude , desire to please , dependability and hygiene that makes K-girls an attractive proposition. Ultimately guys will pay whatever they are able to afford for the providers they wish to see irrespective of ethnicity.
 

I don't think S. Korea qualifies as a third world country. I'm able to hobby regardless of price but I happen to enjoy  and prefer k-gals.

Obviously your perception of things is totally screwed if you think Korea is a third world country. North korea yes, south korea..No. If I can see my an ATF for 4 hours or 4 kgirls for $1000 I do. But to see an over priced american gal for $$$$ or higher for 1 hour and with all the hassles that come with it, no thanks. You are right in saying that hobbyists who can afford to hobby can hobby the way they can but ultimately in my opinion, they are wsting their money.

And truth be told, not evry guy who sees a korean is on a budget. Many guys see the kgirls as a better option and better value for their money. You will find that 99 percent of the time the service and quality of it will beat any $$$ or more any day.

Even if the kgirls did raise their prices, you will find that they won't be at a loss for business at all. Sorry but Kgirls don't represent the budget side, they are the Top of the line.

Beemer

First, as has been stated before, Korean women are more comfortable in a traditional male/female role than American women.  Having largely missed out on the tyranny of the feminist movement in the US, men are not viewed as the enemy, and pleasing men is not viewed as demeaning.  This is an important distinction to remember.

Also, SoCal has the highest population of Koreans (either US or foreign born) of any area in the US, so we have supply.  It also means there's more of a support network, for lack of a better word.  A girl goes home to Pusan with $25K in her pocket, she tells the next girl at home how it's done, and the process perpetuates.

The Korean currency (the Won) is somewhat controlled by the government to make export products more attractive.  It's at the same exchange rate as it was in the mid 1980's.  This means that K-girls coming to the US can earn money here by charging reasonable prices, and still benefit from the favorable exchange rate.  

If you spend much time in Korea, you'll see that price competition is fierce in many consumer product categories.  It's not just in LA, and it's not just in commercial sex work.  The Koreans have always been willing to sacrifice, either through hard work or low margins, to keep prices low.  So it's not surprising K-girls would bring this same attitude with them to the US when they work.

Another important cultural point is that in Korea, there is a much more predictable timetable as to when certain events should take place in a person's life.  You go to school, you spend your time in the Army, you get a job, you get married, you start a family.  If you talk to 100 Korean men, I'd be willing to bet that all of them hit each checkpoint within a year or two of each other.

For women, it's no different.  They want to be married by a certain age and having kids by a certain age.  I once spent the night with a girl in Seoul who was a desperate mess because she was still single and in CSW at age 27- she had fallen behind the timeline and knew it was going to vastly limit her options in the future.

The point is, the clock is ticking for K-girls much more than for American girls.  They want to spend a few years working hard to improve their lives or to save some money.  Then they want to retire at the appropriate age and do whatever comes next in their lives.

This makes them highly motivated and it also means they aren't going to waste time acting like they've got a golden pussy, while the clock is ticking.  They have the objective to optimize their total earnings in the limited time they're going to be sex workers.  Since they're young and not afraid to work, they don't charge more than a brain surgeon on an hourly basis because that means they'll spend most of their time just sitting around, and that's not why they're here.

And finally, it's both inaccurate and an insult to call the Republic of Korea a third world country- they are far from it and their accomplishments of the last 30 years deserve respect.

I have only heard wonderful things about k-girls we do not have them in AZ but could learn a thing or two  from what  I have read they seem to be  very kind and thoughtful  and rarely hear anything negative about the way they conduct business and they are beautiful to boot.....I can definitely see the attraction  sometimes American  women can get too jaded and forget that the men are doing us a favor  not the reverse ......customer service is very important and these ladies understand  kindness  go's a long way ........repeat business is the key to success   IMHO

Very well stated! The one thing I want to reemphasize is the part about the "golden pussy". These girls are smart and can have a serious attitude in making money. They know as G2 stated that they could be making money instead of sitting around looking for that one big payoff when they could be making the little payoff that add up. They are here to maximize their time and they do it well with all the pressures that they have to deal with as well.

The ignorance of the person claiming that South korea is a 3rd world country speaks volumes about their ignorance in the world.


Beemer

"In LA, guys on a budget see Koreans because they are cheap."  This statement is really offensive.  I hobby based on my taste and not necessarily on budget.  By no means am I rich but I have enough resources to see any kind of girl I want.  Even millionares shop around for best deals.  How do you think they got be millionares?  Just becasue K-girls charge lower does not mean they see themselves as being worth less than other girls.  They just figured out the best price point for maximizing profit.  They put their ego aside and crunched the numbers and came up with a winning formula.  Providing the best product at best price is a winning formula no matter what product you are selling!

Some dudes fly in to LA just for a day trip to have fun with the kgirls.  Even when I plan ahead that's a couple hundred or so for flight and car rental.

Wish the cartel would send some hottie Koreans to Phx.  The only Asians we get are Thai.

One sad part of the kgirl business is that the kgirls have a short opportunity to make money. Most advertise younger than they are, and when they get into the 30s-40s they better have someone to take care of them or they end up working for less money in a massage parlor. Some are smart and save money to open up businesses or get college degrees.

I would see an Asian women in her 40s if she maintained her petite beauty, not sure if the other kgirl lovers would considering how much competition there is even amongst the young working girls.

What rock are you living under to be so out of touch with the state of our global village. FYI Korea is among  the  nations referred to as an emerging economy Orr new economies - along with China, India, Russia , Brazil. These countries have GNP that has surpassed many of the so called industrial countries or old economies in the western hemisphere.

The academic year in Korea is longer than ours and their K-12 students fare better than ours in science and maths. 
    
The term  "Third World" is redundant and  has been replaced by "Developing Countries".

Out of the $250 donation agency  K-girls get to keep $xxx(best not to divulge) plus any tips they might get. They take their first appointment at 11 am and final one at 11pm , It does not leave much for the  imagination to guess the potential monthly earning of these girls, and every penny is well earned.

I regret that you used demeaning and inaccurate information to discuss Korea and K-girls. You should be better than that.   

I think he was just saying they are "cheap" meaning a relative bargin compared to higher priced girls.  His comment on S. Korea being third world was dumb, as was his pretending he knows what motivates the ladies.  But I see that from some of the regular K-posters and reviewers as well - thinking because they've been with a few, or many, that it makes them experts on what's in their hearts and minds.

I think he was just saying some guys aren't into Korean, or maybe Asian in general, because they have other tastes in women, or maybe a provider business model, or for any other number of reasons.  Certainly some posters, including other providers, sometimes infer high K-volume means lower quality, but I didn't read that into this guy's comment.  Most K-hobbiest know better and there's always some that seem to take it personal and see the need to mount a vigourous defense if they think somebody's knocking K-quality or status.  But it's also true that many of us prefer to book the earlier appointments - not because we think quality will drop, but because we just prefer to be closer to the front of the line.

I make enough to hobby a lot, but at the expense of other things.  Could have paid my mortgage off by now if I'd cut out years of steady hobbying, but I'm not interested in turning back the clock unless it could extend my hobby shelf life.  I could spend more on an individual lady, but for every $1500 spend, I'd just as soon see 6 ladies at $2.5 than 6 for $3.  Quality is not necessarily, or not not that much better in my mind at the higher rate, and I've stopped repeating with some when they raised rates.  When I deviate from the standard $2.5, it's more likely to be for a $2/hour or 45 minutes.  I never book for 30 minutes, but presume that pricing option has been establish not so much because guy's might be pressed for time but because they'd just as soon save 50.

Quality of the ladies is fine and finer by me, but there's no such think as a must see in my view.  So what if you miss one who might have been within the top 5-10%?  It's subjective anyway.  The sun keeps rising.  The ladies keep coming and going as do us hobbyists.  Over the last 4-5 or more years, there haven't been that many K-girls, percentage wise, that have started at over $2.5 or have jacked their rates to $3.  I'm sure more could and probably do just as well.  How much of that is up to them and how much it's the "cartel" I don't know or need to know.  I don't think it's any of my business or something the lady would care to talk about so I certainly don't bring up the subject.

Sorry RPD , but I do have to disagree , not with you opinions but with what you think the poster meant to say.

 Even though the poster was ill informed , and made many generalizations he was very clear in what he said and it does need re- interpretation to figure out what he intended to say. 

He is correct when he states that some men do not like Korean women, no argument there.  Yes some men can afford to pay more and pay for whom they like , yes but it is also true some cannot afford to pay the cost of K-girls and seek what they can afford, and some can afford to pay much more than what K-girls charge and will happily pay it if the rates were increased because they prefer Asians or K-girls over other ethnicities. My preference to K-girls is influenced by taste and not cost , for my ATF I would happily pay double or triple what they currently charge. 

LA guys on a budget do not necessarily see " Koreans because they are cheep" unless they actually like like Koreans . $250 is not cheep , and if I prefer other women over Koreans I would save until I can  afford to pay for the women I want to see even if it means hobbying once a week instead of 3 or 4 times a week. Furthermore, the K-girls are not the underdogs in LA , to the contrary the top K-girls I would assume are as successful as the most successful LA providers and the least successful are better off than their domestic/ home grown counterparts.

Ultimately everybody is on some kind of budget whether it is $10k or $100, which we use to maximize our personal gratification.   

I am glad I can get to see my favorite K-girls at a reasonable price , however , I will still see them if if their rate was doubled  or tripled , maybe not with the exact frequency but will still se them and not girls from other ethnicities who may charge $500, $600, $600. The deciding factor is taste and not cost.
This is something the poster ignored.

I have already responded to his classification of Korea as a "third World" state.  

Yeah, I agree, he is suggesting guys visit because of price and doesn't factor in maybe some guys, or actually a great many, like Koreans.  But he wasn't calling guys cheap and regardless of whether you think $250 is a lot or a little, it's still at the lower end of what anybody's going to pay for good, safe reliable service by any ethnicity in LA.  So in that sense it is relatively cheap and there's no need to upset or turned off by the word.

Maybe you and others would be visiting some of the K-girls if they raised rates 2 or 3 times.  But if they raised rates across the board, I'd say we wouldn't be seeing upwards of 100 on CV anymore.  Either that or there would be two or three tiers of K-girls and whether you think the term elegant or not, I suppose one might consider the underdog.  Brooke Song was Korean, and a girl, but I didn't see too many of the usual K-girl hobbyists amonst her reviewers.  That should tell you something about price being a significant issue to many and perhaps most guys when it comes to hobbying decisions.

Nobody is getting hung up on words we are mostly responding to a post full of generalizations and assumptions that are based a factually wrong premise.

I do agree with you that if all the CV were to raise their donations , many will be out of work , while others may see less customers yet generate more income or. We could end up with a 2tier price structure . Even at the current rate many girls do not make it and disappear after a week or two , while others go through names changes , rebranding etc before they finally take off.

Sorry for being late to the party.  Just perusing through the discussions and this one piqued my interest.  I'm not here to slam MyHonestResponse, but you should do your homework before you make uninformed statements.  At the time of this posting, S. Korea is the 13th largest economy of the world.  Pretty impressive considering where the ROK was at in 1953.