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ddglover 8 Reviews 664 reads
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I inserted a little more and she didn't complain. Still deeper but met no resistance. So bbfs till the end. I got tested months after that. All negative. But I don't think I'll do it again.

funwmadison919 reads

Once again I have had a friend ask to have unprotected sex.  Said he would pay extra, get tested and he is safe.  I told him that even though he test negative for HIV today does not mean he is safe.  I told him that I value my health and will not take any chances. He said he will find a PSE who will have unprotected sex with him.  I pointed out that if a lady will have unprotected sex with him, then maybe she will unprotected sex with anyone or multiple anyones.....

I wanted to share what I found on-line:

The HIV antibody test

Once a person becomes infected with HIV, a number of steps must take place before an HIV antibody test can detect infection. First, the virus infects more and more cells in the person’s body. The person’s immune system then responds by producing HIV antibodies, which are proteins that circulate in the blood to try to fight the HIV infection. It is these antibodies that the HIV antibody test detects, NOT HIV itself. If there aren’t enough antibodies created by the body when the test is given, the result will be negative despite the person being infected with HIV.

In order for an HIV antibody test to detect an HIV infection, two conditions must be met:

1. HIV antibodies must be present in the person’s blood. The amount of time it takes for the immune system to create HIV antibodies after HIV infection varies based on genetics, how transmission occurred (e.g. sex vs. shared needles), the amount of virus the person was exposed to.  

2. The HIV antibody test must be sensitive enough to detect the antibodies. Newer testing technologies can now detect HIV antibodies when there are lower concentrations in the blood and hence are able to detect an HIV infection much sooner.

The “window period” refers to the maximum amount of time it may take for a person’s body to create HIV antibodies after HIV infection. HIV antibodies must be present in order for the HIV antibody test to accurately detect HIV antibodies in someone’s blood. If someone is “in the window period,” there is a chance that even though they may have been infected with HIV, the test won’t be able to detect the infection and will give a negative result.

+++++++++++It can take up to 6 weeks for your body to produce enough antibodies to be detected by the test. So, a test today will tell you what your HIV status was 6 weeks ago. The test does not protect you from getting HIV in the future. ++++++++++++++++++

So I have to ask, why do guys continue to ask to have unprotected sex?  

Wondering in amazement -
Madison

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LE_phobic600 reads

* I got carried away in P2P, and begged the provi for penetration ASAP, promising extra donation. At that kind of moment, a guy can lose his head. Now I do precaution and have the latex on early and also avoid P2P grinding, becuz that's most tantalizing.
* Another time, I met a Norwegian masseuse in an MP. It was hilarious. She was just a tourist running out of money and did a short stint sub that week. She was totally unprepared for FS, and did not even carry latex. But when I offered above and beyond, she agreed to it. Call it foreign aids -- she gave me the absolute best sex ever.

Boy scout honesty, those were the ONLY two times. Plz give me a pass grade. (lol)

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funwmadison527 reads

You can have the pass grade if you like but it is not up to me.  No judgement here.  I am only asking why some guys or girls take the chance.

I will bet the guys are wondering who the provider is you let you have unprotected sex.  If their mouths  were there after your uncovered manhood, I would be nervous if I was them.

Did you get tested after???

Madison

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* I got carried away in P2P, and begged the provi for penetration ASAP, promising extra donation. At that kind of moment, a guy can lose his head. Now I do precaution and have the latex on early and also avoid P2P grinding, becuz that's most tantalizing.
* Another time, I met a Norwegian masseuse in an MP. It was hilarious. She was just a tourist running out of money and did a short stint sub that week. She was totally unprepared for FS, and did not even carry latex. But when I offered above and beyond, she agreed to it. Call it foreign aids -- she gave me the absolute best sex ever.

Boy scout honesty, those were the ONLY two times. Plz give me a pass grade. (lol)

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LE_phobic386 reads

I sent you more details in PM, but won't answer any more question, because frankly, I have no more wisdom to share. From this one man's experience, when I start the session, I am always cool and rational. But once I get into the heat of the actions, I can lose all reason and control. So it's better to apply precaution against myself.

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ddglover665 reads

I inserted a little more and she didn't complain. Still deeper but met no resistance. So bbfs till the end. I got tested months after that. All negative. But I don't think I'll do it again.

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Therealskinny523 reads

First of all the frequency of female to male transmission of HIV is virtually nil.
The  virus still is primarily transmitted by male homosexuals and needle sharing
drug users. Is almost unheard of between heterosexual male/female sexual
encounters unless the male is bi sexual and carrying the disease so I understand
why a provider would be unwilling.
As far as other STD's are concerned, unless the client is married or has a significant
other who he doesn't want to infect the penalty he pays is a trip to the doctor.
Some of you may not remember the sexual revolution before HIV came into the picture.
There was no concern at all about unprotected sex. Literally, everybody was fucking everybody  without any concern and I can tell you the world didn't come to an end for them. Literally and figuratively.
Finally, we have herpes. Well, there are probably more men and women walking around
with herpes than any of us can imagine. Any provider who offers BBBJ is subjecting herself
to a herpes infection and I'm sure there are many providers and clients who have the disease in remission and can transmit that infection while in remission.
Maybe this clears up the  question of why do clients ask for BBFS. It's a business that is frought with the danger of being infected with several types of infection and that's why providers (and some clients) get tested regularly.  In reality what good does that do? It's like closing the barn door after the horse was let out.

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ddglover376 reads

Related Link: " Male circumcision provides a degree of protection against acquiring HIV infection, equivalent to what a vaccine of high efficacy would have achieved."

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deya350 reads

If a guy asks for BB anything, my answer will ALWAYS be NO and I will be HIGHLY offended.  And I hate when guys say "Oh, but I'm clean" like I'm just supposed to believe his word...  I play safely and I like to play with men who appreciate playing safely too!

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rwe5563437 reads

Because it feels good for both parties.

I was married at a young age to a young innocent model who came from a strong catholic family and I was her first so I thought I was in the clear for life.  Turned out she was having unprotected sex with a few other guys.  She went dick crazy once I broke her in.  We split and I got tested.

I recently was in a two year committed relationship with a girl I was going to marry until I found out she was providing to a few select sugar daddies unprotected on the side.  She told me she was independently rich and didn't need my money.  What a lie.  We split and I got tested.

A couple years back I met an incredible French model who I dated until I found out she was also providing on the side to a few select rich old men.  She told me she was born rich too.  HA!

So now when ever I meet a young hot girl who lives in a nice pad and drives a fancy car and seems to have unlimited spending and zero job except to fly out of town every once in a while for "modeling" jobs or to go see her mother, I immediately suspect she's got some sugar daddy.  

Girls get laid a lot more than guys ever imagine and it's very often unprotected.  The more pretty a girl is the more likely this is the case.  Normal girls go to school and have careers.

The moral of this story is pretty girls suck -- but I don't hate the player, I hate the game, and if I ever get married again it's gonna be to an ugly girl who actually loves me enough not to cheat.

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Posted By: funwmadison
Once again I have had a friend ask to have unprotected sex.  Said he would pay extra, get tested and he is safe.  I told him that even though he test negative for HIV today does not mean he is safe.  I told him that I value my health and will not take any chances. He said he will find a PSE who will have unprotected sex with him.  I pointed out that if a lady will have unprotected sex with him, then maybe she will unprotected sex with anyone or multiple anyones.....

I wanted to share what I found on-line:

The HIV antibody test

Once a person becomes infected with HIV, a number of steps must take place before an HIV antibody test can detect infection. First, the virus infects more and more cells in the person’s body. The person’s immune system then responds by producing HIV antibodies, which are proteins that circulate in the blood to try to fight the HIV infection. It is these antibodies that the HIV antibody test detects, NOT HIV itself. If there aren’t enough antibodies created by the body when the test is given, the result will be negative despite the person being infected with HIV.

In order for an HIV antibody test to detect an HIV infection, two conditions must be met:

1. HIV antibodies must be present in the person’s blood. The amount of time it takes for the immune system to create HIV antibodies after HIV infection varies based on genetics, how transmission occurred (e.g. sex vs. shared needles), the amount of virus the person was exposed to.  

2. The HIV antibody test must be sensitive enough to detect the antibodies. Newer testing technologies can now detect HIV antibodies when there are lower concentrations in the blood and hence are able to detect an HIV infection much sooner.

The “window period” refers to the maximum amount of time it may take for a person’s body to create HIV antibodies after HIV infection. HIV antibodies must be present in order for the HIV antibody test to accurately detect HIV antibodies in someone’s blood. If someone is “in the window period,” there is a chance that even though they may have been infected with HIV, the test won’t be able to detect the infection and will give a negative result.

+++++++++++It can take up to 6 weeks for your body to produce enough antibodies to be detected by the test. So, a test today will tell you what your HIV status was 6 weeks ago. The test does not protect you from getting HIV in the future. ++++++++++++++++++

So I have to ask, why do guys continue to ask to have unprotected sex?  

Wondering in amazement -
Madison

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Number 6328 reads

We not only play the rating game with the girls, we play the scoring game with our fellow hobbyists.

In my too many years in the hobby, I have survived HIV scares, Hep C cares, HSV scares, and variations of the Indefatigable Super Gonorrhea scare. After all of this, guys still want to score without the condom-and probably will continue to do so.

I mean, you still have condom optional brothels and swing clubs in Germany and Austria. Thailand still has about 50M or so citizens. People will continue to have sex.

The one bug you should worry about is herpes, unless you already have it. HIV and Hep C are kind of Lifetime Achievement awards, you have to work really hard to get them, particularly through non-anal sex.  The superclap thing is a little worrisome, the MSM may actually be right on this one for once. But there always have been the odd strain which beats antibiotics (I guess SOA is now Rocephin, wow...something stronger than Cipro?)

As for Ms. Madison's post, she has the right to run her business any way she wants to, I have no issue with that. But, she asked a question, this is my answer, along with the complimentary stream of consciousness that goes with it. :)

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