I want to share an experience I had last night.

I traveled to see a girl who was staying in an upscale hotel. She asked me to call when I got there. I was on time. I called from a noisy lobby bar. She gave me the room number and I repeated it back to her. when I got to the room she was very upset that I had uttered the room number in public. There were 50 people in this bar and I was not close to any of them. but she just would not let it go. She was upset.

Now, this girl did not look nearly as good when I got there as she had in her pictures. She was barely dressed at all, which was a turnoff. I could see this was going to be a strictly business hour, and just did not feel any positive energy at all. So I told her I was just not comfortable and I was leaving. "fine, goodbye" was her answer. I was there for 2-3 minutes tops.

I felt bad. she's very young. I know she has not been a provider for very long. I've been doing this for a while, and I have some idea of how hard it is. I have nothing but respect for providers. I believe I have a good reputation, and can get a good reference from many.

I texted her from the car before I left to see if there was any way to salvage anything. I felt like I owed her an explanation. She was totally psycho - "I'm putting your name on a national blacklist right now." I really don't know how to check if she did that, and if it even matters.

After a few texts where she was just getting more and more upset, I went back to the room - I was going to give her a donation because I felt bad. I was ready to just slide it under the door. When I got there all I heard was a dude yelling at her about how she screwed everything up. I was in the hallway I could hear it clearly.

The next morning she is still texting me. so, considering she knows my name, I'm a little freaked out.

Question 0: What's this blacklist?

Question 1: Do you think I should be worried? Should I call the cops? She seems pretty psycho.

Question2: did I do something totally out of line by leaving? In 10 years, I have done that fewer than 5 times. That's going to be well under 5% of the time. Each time it has been because there was just a very uncomfortable energy about the scene. Now in retrospect for all I know the pimp was hiding in the closet. Maybe something subconsciously told me to get out.

For what its worth she says it was her boyfriend and she called him to bring her dinner because she was so upset when I left. I dunno I was only gone about 15 minutes.

Also, for the record this was a highly reviewed and very new (just a few reviews)  provider. A $$$$+ hour.

Now the last question is, do I write a review? I tend to say no this was just a case of YMMV and why do something that would hurt the girl who is just trying to make ends meet. I get that. But at what point do you say "I think other potential clients have a right to know."

All advice is welcome.

"She was barely dressed at all, which was a turnoff. I could see this was going to be a strictly business hour,"

How do you know? and weren't you there to play or just talk or watch tv?

you cannot post a review if there was no "meeting"...

....you have to ask yourself how you really feel about this situation. Obviously you seem to be caring in not wanting to hurt a gal "who's just trying to make ends meet." But at the same time you refer to her as being totally psycho. You haven't revealed her "working name", but maybe this has happened to others who have tried to see her with similar experiences. One of the things that this board supposedly is about is the sharing of information that is factual. Nevertheless, whatever you do, don't call the cops. What would you tell them without incriminating yourself? Best just to let it go. She'll move on and it will all be forgotten when she begins to do some rational thinking. Ciao!

there is no "blacklist" - but if you have a ter handle and you do a review of her she can retaliate.

what are you going to say to LAPD - i am a john and want to make a better business bureau complaint?

by leaving, you are breaching a "contract" - you agreed to pay money now for some pussy to be delivered imminently.  Technically, you breached by not giving the money and just leaving.  Her damages are lost income and time spent on her wireless plan - but, under CA law she is not a lost volume seller so she would have to have proof of another monger.  Of course, this is not the court system, but i think we can agree that her unfriendly tood puts her in anticipatory breach and excuses your nonperformance.  Perhaps you should have left her a few 20s for her trouble and left.  the better thing to do is not yell a room number in a crowded bar.  if i cannot hear the room, i repeat it very low tone - or better yet, ask if she can text it.  so technically, you were OK with leaving, but you should avoid the situation in the future.

finally i have some questions for you - why did you go back?  the times i have walked out (they were because the girl looked like a yeti), i never went back - plus after hearing her "Boyfriend" yelling at her, you are now endangering yourself by getting involved.  i just think your whole handling of the event was fine, save for the going back and maybe the repeating of the room number (but she was obviously totally crazed).  what i do not like is your kind of wanting to make it better with her for fear of some blacklist, which is BS, or some attempt at uncle save a provider good karma.  You want to disrespect yourself with that kind of tood, fine, that is your problem.  But if you disrespect the game, that is all of our problems.

Can't answer most of your questions, because that's really your call. But I would like to know who she is so I can avoid her.

I always repeat the room number back, just to be sure I heard it correctly. Never thought that would be a problem for anyone. It sounds to me like she was just in a really bad mood for some other reason and she took it out on you. I would have walked, too.

Thanks for your opinions. They really help a lot.

Let me clarify a couple things:

Nobody shouted a room number. I am pretty sure nobody heard me. Besides, what if someone heard a room number. More likely an affair than an escort I would think. And who would care either way? That along with the blacklist just tells me this girl has issues.

I went back to give her fifty bucks for her trouble - wasted time, other lost possible business, etc. Like I said, I was there 2 minutes and I was on time. I don't really feel like I owe her much.  But I was ready to just slide it under the door anyway.  But overhearing the shouting match and realizing there was a pimp/boyfriend whatever in the mix just spooked me. I really tried to do the right thing.

This girl is still texting me today. Like you said, what a nightmare.

There are so many amazing providers in this city, I really don't know what I was thinking.

I'm not going to post her name here or add a review at all. That blacklist site seems like it does not have a lot of subscribers or readers, and I'm not on there anyway. Seems like a site making $$ off of angry providers or providers without a network for references. Unfortunate.

I've gotten a fair number of "please tell me who this is, I'd like to avoid her" emails.

I have thought a lot about it, and I'm just not going to publish her name, publicly on this list or privately in an email. She is just trying to get by, there's no sense in me making it harder for her.

I was writing originally asking when does a bad experience justify a bad review? I think the answer is when it is definitely not YMMV. In this case, I get the feeling that this girl was not in a great frame of mind when I happened to show up. She flipped over the room number thing, a total overreaction. She completely killed the mood with her attitude, and when I left she did not take it very well (understatement). She's clearly very inexperienced, but I'm sure she will figure it out soon enough. Others have given her excellent reviews, so she's obviously not totally clueless.

Maybe I'm giving her way too much benefit of the doubt. But that's me. I know that this forum is supposed to be a place where clients can protect each other from deceitful providers, from losing their $$ or worse. However, I guess when it comes down to it I have more sympathy for the providers than for the clients in general.

i am a provider and can think only as one so from my point


1. I would have called from my car. I always try to have my friends avoid the lobby area when visiting; as I do, aside from checking in. The less the BOTH of us are seen the better.

2. An appology mixed with kisses, im sure would have made up for  that mistake.
if reconciliation can not be reached, then a small donation should have been left for the time.

3. Once I left i would not have returned.

4. the Police... i don't think that warrants a response.

I am sorry this happened to you. This is supposed to be a happy hobby. I would not worry about one girl's opinion of you. There have been no safety violations and no reason for black listing.

again this is just my opinion.

If as you say you have more sympathy for the providers than for the clients in general, why did you even bring up this incident, asking for advice? in lieu of your subsequent responses, I guess I just don't understand the purpose of your original post.

Check the rules, there was no $$ exchanged and no action to write about.

I guess the sensitivity about repeating room numbers is more of an issue than we might think.  I did the same thing once and she was concerned and wanted to know where I was within the hotel (garage in this case).  She didn't flip out, but definitely gave me the impression I did the wrong thing by saying the room number.

Also gets me every time guys insist you let them know who the girl is so they don't run across her.  I think it more they are just nosey.  What are the chances they are going to dial up this one girl given the hundreds (or thousands?) in LA?

I respect the idea of not posting her name publicly on this board, because 805 has sympathy for providers, and that is his choice. I do not agree with his choice to not respond to the e-mails or PMs, because we as hobbyist are trying to do are best to play safe and have fun without the stepping on too many landminds along the way. I think as slight description of the girl would be helpful ie..blond, brunette, red head, tall short, and what specific city he tried to meet her at, are things that would give some clue without completely outing her.  I know you say that "what are the chances that they are going to dial up this one girl" but he obviously did, and a girl with good reviews that are $$$$+ are not as many as the $$+ club.

Sure, that's fair. I want to know what name she uses because I am nosey. But I also agree with the other poster -- the whole point of this board is to share information so we can all make smart choices. The fact that she is STILL texting him today means she clearly has some massive issues, probably bordering on bi-polar, and I would like to avoid this drama queen like the plague. It's up to 805, of course, but I think he would be doing us a huge favor if he named her on the L.A. board or at least through PM.

Some bookers are assholes. Bookers are great but when they don't like results they get mean, the girl gets moody, and the client is bewildered.

IMO, you two both kinda screwed the pooch on this one....


and 'booker' my ass. How many girls have male bookers that show up to their rooms and yell at em for losing a job? Come on now......and as for 'boyfriend', i'm sure she thinks he is. Thats usually how they lure them in from what I've observed.

I think it would be way worse for you to give out her name privately via PM but not post it here. Theres 3 sides to every story, but at this point, all we have is one, and she has no chance to respond. When you've gone to extent of starting a thread that 100s will read and become curious about, you kinda set the stage to trash her. All I'm saying is if you're gonna do something like that, don't do it quietly where no one can see, because it hurts her business regardless and its shady. Now granted, her texting you, still, the next day, is ridiculous, but don't get the badge involved, ever, and especially over something this trivial.

Bottom line is this-Live and learn. Shit happens in this hobby, all the time, you simply adjust your approach, pocket the experience and move on. Just as you learned NOT to repeat the room number out loud in a public setting (for the sake of our well being and safety, understand) she also learned that part of her job is to prevent and diffuse that sort of thing, and also to let little accidental shit go and put her mind where it needs to be for your time together. If she continues like this, don't worry about warning folks, because she won't last long. This job requires a great deal of composure, and she seems to lack it.