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Legal_Beagle 6081 reads
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MARRIAGE WITH AN ESCORT-Detailed Discussion

          “Should I Love Her?”
   (Sung to the tune of “Fiddler on a Roofie”)        

We have all been down that road, we meet the escort, seems like the innocent girl next store, we fuck our brains out. Maybe that is part of the problem? It is hard to think without a brain but it is so easy to get hard! We start to think of her as our friend and lover. We start to forget that their vaginas and ass holes have more cocks in them in a week than our wallets have hundred dollar bills, and just when we know we might be making a mistake we fall in love…..and start to think “marriage.”
  We see ourselves in a mirror and say to ourselves,
“Oh my God, don’t tell me that is me in the mirror with that silly grin and x’s where my eyes use to be.”
   Yes, we have all been down that road, but for most of us, these fantasies are a one way road to a place we might not want to go.

  I recently had a series of emails with a member who gave me permission to discuss some of the questions we spoke of in private. Of course the names are changed.

 Louis Loosepecker was so head over heels in love with Vaggy Abierto that he was worrying around the clock that she might get caught by immigration and sent back to Costa Rica.

Louis wrote,
  “Since her visa has expired I cannot sleep at night, what if she gets caught? I think if I marry her she will have no problem getting a visa, but I am wondering if this is the right solution.
   My Uncle Fritz met her when I took her to a barbeque. He and Aunt Sissy greeted us at the door and five minutes later, Fritz pulls me aside and says, “How long have you been stiffing the whore.” I was shocked, she was dressed nicely, nothing very sexy; how did he know?
 A week later I told my cousin that I had met someone and was thinking of buying an engagement ring, he countered, “I sure hope it’s not that Hooker you took to the party,”  and he wasn’t even there.”

  Louis asked me, “if I marry her and she gets caught plying her trade will I be liable for arrest? Will the cops think I am her pimp, lock me up and throw away the key?”


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Legal_Beagle 5202 reads
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/PLEASE READ PART ONE FIRST//

Well here are a few of the answers:
1. It is rare that a pro gets arrested and her husband or companion does not get charged.Then you have the fun and expense of proving you are not a pimp, i.e. benefiting from her endeavors.
If you have a lot to lose, like money or reputation, do not worry; you will probably lose it. Most often the pimp goes to jail and the provider gets a go home free card. If you remember that high school definition of irony,I think a hubby going to jail who has no contact with his wife’s escorting is probably a good example.

2. Also, a husband is liable for the debts and liabilities of his spouse in most cases, particularly those debts that occurred after the marriage as well as criminal fines.

3.  Once you are tied together your chances of   escaping her new legal status will not improve until you get to the afterlife, if at all.

4. How did everybody know she used to mouth cocks? Well yes, that little bit of sexual savvy that drips off a pro’s smile, or that little twist of her mouth, that knowing nod to any sexual innuendo, the way she walks or tosses her tits, that little ass wiggle or the way she stares men in the eyes as she listens to them mumbling when the only thing on their minds is how soon can they have sex with her. Yep! That special something is going to telegraph their previous or current profession even before they open their mouths. (Some girls will pass but not too many will pass in front of my mama, your brother’s wife or your sister). But hey, who cares? We like ‘em feminine, don’t we?

5.Well, if you don’t care now, you may care when you get down that one way road. I sincerely hope not.

6.Every escort has her problems. Let’s start with the visa problem, then there is the landlord with some action pending,  the threatening pimp who wants her to work for him, the jealous hooker ex-friend but is now harassing her because of lost business, the stalker that may not be imagined, her telephone bill for five phones and the overseas tab to mama.  Then there is her sick grandmother, ailing mom, dad with a wooden leg (diabetes cuts em off), and those few little kids she hides out in Guadalajara with her sister Juanita that no one told you about and  you don’t find out about until you decide to visit Guadalajara on your third wedding anniversary.


7.If you really do care, tackle each problem one at a time, visas do not require marriage, set up an appointment with an immigration attorney or service, find her a new place to live. Look for simple solutions that do not involve self defense classes or a Gattling gun. Moving to a new city usually works. Oh you can get grandpa a wheelchairs real cheap at the Salvation Army. For kids presents usually work, adoptions is great for them but are you sure you want to raise Don Pepi’s? Ok, why not, all kids are great! Just be prepared, isn’t that the Boy Scout’s marching song?

8. Remember, marriage is more than a state of mind, it is   a legal contract and once you have that ring on you hand you probably also have another one through your nose.

9. Is it possible to marry an escort? Of course it is. There is a guy dressed like Elvis who is readying and willing to set you up. Can you be married to an escort who is still in the business? Probably not, here your liability for arrest for pimping and or pandering, both prison term felonies, are just too good to miss. Why would you want to take that chance, you know she will not be living alone while you are doing jail time, and probably will not have time to visit you. Of course if you get lucky you will have the opportunity to get in touch with your feminine side if your cell mate is Bubba. He will surely quash your sex drive while you are counting the lays, I mean the days till you get out of the hoosegow.

10. Can you marry an escort who is no longer escorting? Here you might have a fighting chance if you have a very open mind about whether sexual activity has any special significance. If you believe a plethora of sexual experiences are no more significant then those hundreds of hamburgers at local fast food’s greasy grills, then you have the right attitude. If you think that it does not matter that your blushing bride has had thousands of sexual experiences, normal, abnormal and possibly Para-normal; then you are in good shape. If you can put up with her having an occasional lunch date with an old regular that no doubt will end up in a clinch, then you are ok. If you can put up with the threat, real or imagined, that when you loose your job or run out of money, that others will be sharing your mattress, then you are doing fine. In my opinion you need balls of steel, unending love, and she better fuck you into submission every night before you realize what it is you are doing.


11. Pyscological and Medical Problems-Sure you are going to run into a barrel of psycho problems, expect that. But then my first wife was a nut case and she fucked around for free. If you are into transsexual or sex changes girls you are going to run into some very strong personalities and mood swings. It takes strength to even think about gender change much less supplement it.  Most of the guys I know who ended up with transsexuals always commented how clean these gals kept the house and how feminine they were. No jokes about sharing the shaving mirror, they all have had their hair removed long ago!        

12. Intelligence-- most Pros are smart, quick, and able to lie like a rug; just believe what ever they say to avoid conflict, never be curious and don’t ask a lot of questions. Don’t ever treat them like a whore, that won’t work. Most pros know enough about disease prevention to be safe. But most big buck fuck weekends are not condomed so accidents may have happened and Aids is one accident you need great courage to deal with.  Drug use-- stay away from the cocaine babes, any kind of addict is just asking for trouble.


DISCLAIMER—before I am deluged with complaints by providers, that I am a sexist pig, let me oink the following. I am not a great believer in marriage working for all people or even for most people. Of course I wish every guy who marries a provider all the best.
    I have a good a good friend married for many years to an ex provider, she was a high class hooker who gave up far more than sucking strangers cocks, she was into some real exotic stuff, eventually she went into a legit business with him. Most people’s marriages are not successful, maybe these two are better off than most.
   I also know of several long term liaisons with transsexuals that have worked fairly well when the tranny stayed home and gave up escorting.  Most of the guys commented how clean these gals kept the house and how supper fem they were.
   A sex change I know well had a short lived marriage but she would not give up the business, needed to be independent, needed to support her mother, I guess her needs outstripped his.
   I also know a bunch of folks who chose to lead productive happy lives but remained unmarried. They seem to be doing fine. This does not bar them from having loving relations.
  And then in my own personal life-- my marriage, well it has had its ups and downs, but we have hung in there for  twelve years now and I firmly believe that Tiffany is still the best fuck in town. I am getting older but I when I see her ass and big tits I still don’t have to bite the viagra, I told you I have big balls of steel. But don’t expect me to invite you home for dinner, you might well recognize her. But if life can be a bed of roses, sometime you have to get used to the thorns, they sure keep you on your toes.
  So if you are head over heels in love and have to offer the ultimate compliment, making yourself defenseless, go for it. Who was it who said the world was made for lovers?







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bluedragon06 11 Reviews 2876 reads
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discordiansaint 18 Reviews 4267 reads
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Debt taken on during marriage is not always the responsibility of both parties.  This is a "cut-n-paste" I found regarding the issue when I was looking into it because my spouse has 20k+ in credit card debt that she acquired during the marriage but that she only got with her name on the accounts....

"In a community property state, a spouse is responsible for debts incurred during the marriage and it does not matter whose name is on them. In an equitable distribution state, debts in one spouse’s name are his or hers alone, but a spouse is responsible for debts taken in his or her name, even those without his or her consent."

I am still married but keep an eye on my credit to ensure my name isn't tied to any accounts I didn't ask for.  We live in an equitable distribution state.  My understanding is that in the event of a divorce the fact that she applied for these lines of credit in her name only would result in her retaining sole responsibility.

I would *assume* the result would be the same in the case of a provider/spouse arrangement.

A` See my TER Reviews 2836 reads
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5 / 22

Where is the Federal Law that supports your theory about husbands of escorts will be arrested for pimping if she gets arrested?




Legal_Beagle 3515 reads
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Legal_Beagle 3636 reads
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Usually these are state laws that cover pimping and pandering, these are often unfairly applied to males living with prostitutes, and often fairly applied to males benefiting from a prostitute's earnings! This is not a federal issue although fed laws may apply as well when interstate commerce is involved or forced prostitution or traffic-ing of humans most commonly, to mention a few cases where fed will step in.

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A` See my TER Reviews 3227 reads
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8 / 22

I am not sure why you have an angry face, or why you are coming off as defensive. You are the moderator of this board and are subject to be asked a question when you post.

I asked a very simple question.

You are stating that the law entitles officers to roll out to a providers home and arrest her SO because she was arrested for solicitation. I asked you what law are you referring to. I did not ask you for a scenario, or anything stretched I asked you for the exact FEDERAL LAW.

When you made the statement on your original post you made a blanket statement, so a blanket law that would cover the United States would be a FEDERAL LAW. Where is the FEDERAL LAW you are referencing?

Not your thoughts, or any gray areas.... please....I just need the black and white FEDERAL LAW.





mrfrench 3405 reads
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10 / 22

Another good link from that site: the prostitution laws in 100 countries.

JustAGal See my TER Reviews 4370 reads
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11 / 22

because there are a lot of ASSumptions about us ladies in your post!

I will address few which seem to be in real of generalising:


4. How did everybody know she used to mouth cocks?

Some non escorts these days have sucked more cock than any pro.  Real Escorts and Courtesans know how to be appropriate in public without ass wiggling.

5.Well, if you don’t care now, you may care when you get down that one way road. I sincerely hope not.

Read above about civvies and cock sucking.  Unless you are marrying a virgin who lived in a convent .. she had sucked few cocks.


6.Every escort has her problems.

Every PERSON has his/her problem.  Smart escorts pay taxes and have successful "real life" careers.


10. Can you marry an escort who is no longer escorting?   .... If you think that it does not matter that your blushing bride has had thousands of sexual experiences, normal, abnormal and possibly Para-normal; then you are in good shape.

Once again .. read above about civvies and .. yes cock sucking :)

11. Psychological and Medical Problems-

Any credible statistics backing up this opinion that all escorts are mental basket cases with laundry list of medical problems?


12. Intelligence-- most Pros are smart, quick, and able to lie like a rug; just believe what ever they say to avoid conflict, never be curious and don’t ask a lot of questions. Don’t ever treat them like a whore, that won’t work. Most pros know enough about disease prevention to be safe. But most big buck fuck weekends are not condomed so accidents may have happened and Aids is one accident you need great courage to deal with.  Drug use-- stay away from the cocaine babes, any kind of addict is just asking for trouble.

Most civvie drunken one night stands tend to be non condomed.  Also, i am yet to meet psychotic junkie provider .. but may be i am just picky as to who i hang out with.

Lina

Legal_Beagle 3579 reads
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is that an angry face? I thought it was a talking or serious face, no wonder my girl friend always slaps me when I talk to her before we have sex. Well I better check that out, thanks for the mention, hope the lists provided gave you what you wanted, Oh, please expect the occasional blanket statements, sometimes I am more interested in blanket time then going to the law library to cite code numbers, likewise it is a little to heavy for most readers who want a general answer rather the a cite for a court session. Thanks for your input, sorry for the face.

Coxucca 4338 reads
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Sensual Leigh See my TER Reviews 4031 reads
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1. It is rare that a pro gets arrested and her husband or companion does not get charged.Then you have the fun and expense of proving you are not a pimp, i.e. benefiting from her endeavors.

This is totally untrue.
The situation wherein the s/o or spouse would be charged would be if he were acting as her "manager"
ie.answering her calls booking her appointments etc.
Just living in the same house  or being married to a provider is not grounds for a charge of profiting from prostitution or promoting charge.
And it's actually extremely rare that what you are stating here happens.

Stay safe & Have a Great Day All
Leigh

Coxucca 4322 reads
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johngaltnh 6 Reviews 4138 reads
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I'm using NH because NH is simple to understand. Here is the entire statute regarding prostitution.

   645:2 Prostitution and Related Offenses. –
   I. A person is guilty of a misdemeanor if the person:
      (a) Solicits, agrees to perform, or engages in sexual contact as defined in RSA 632-A:1, IV or sexual penetration as defined in RSA 632-A:1, V, in return for consideration; or
      (b) Induces or otherwise purposely causes another to violate subparagraph (a); or
      (c) Transports another into or within this state with the purpose of promoting or facilitating such other in engaging in conduct in violation of subparagraph (a); or
      (d) Not being a legal dependent incapable of self support, knowingly is supported in whole or in part by the proceeds of violation of subparagraph (a); or
      (e) Knowingly permits a place under such person's control to be used for violation of subparagraph (a); or
      (f) Pays, agrees to pay, or offers to pay another person to engage in sexual contact as defined in RSA 632-A:1, IV or sexual penetration as defined in RSA 632-A:1, V, with the payor or with another person.
   II. A person is guilty of a class B felony if such person violates the provisions of subparagraphs (b), (c), (d), or (e) of paragraph I and the violation:
      (a) Involves another person who is under the age of 18; or
      (b) Involved compelling another person by force or intimidation.
   III. A person is guilty under this section regardless of the sex of the persons involved.
   IV. It shall be an affirmative defense to a charge under subparagraph I(a) that the defendant engaged in the conduct because he or she was the victim of trafficking in persons, as defined in RSA 633:7.

Now, pretend I am married to a provider. We are like any other couple -- joint everything. Her income is just part of the family budget.

I am ALREADY in violation of 645:2 ss 1.(d): "Not being a legal dependent incapable of self support, knowingly is supported in whole or in part by the proceeds of violation of subparagraph (a)"

THAT, is a misdemeanor. As is her providing.

BUT when she and I are both dragged in; all she has to do is say THREE MAGIC WORDS for me to be sitting in the slammer forever getting fucked by bubba while she goes free.

Those three magic words? "HE MADE ME." That gets me charged under 645:2 ss II.(b) -- a felony. And they let HER off the hook under 645:2 ss IV.

I don't have Westlaw or LexisNexis here; but I bet if I Shepardized these statutes I'd certainly find hubbies behind bars while provider wives were free.

And I wouldn't be shocked to discover that the provider wife's contribution to the common weal or the family made mose assets eligible for civil property seizure either.

You will find laws substantially similar to this in every state. I just used New Hampshire's because their part-time legislature is not very verbose. LOL

So, I agree. Being married to (or living with) a woman who is actively engaged in prostitution can be legally dangerous. It is one of the reason I think it is so incredibly wrong for a provider to not let a husband/boyfriend know what she really does for a living.

But -- beyond that -- I have to agree with dddbabe.

Personally, I wouldn't worry about marrying a FORMER provider -- if she were otherwise suitable, I'd do it. ("Otherwise suitable" includes being psychologically stable, etc.)

I have learned the hard way, though, that people who look and act perfectly normally can have serious, deep-seated and nearly intractable psychological issues pertaining to sex, sexual abuse, etc. But this unfortunately can affect women from every background -- not just providers.

downtrocker 29 Reviews 6693 reads
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I think not!!!  I have a hobbiest friend whom is a criminal defense attorney and he BEGGED me to get out of a relationship with someone as the law in this state will lock up up so fast your head will spin...she will walk...I disagree


Peter

Legal_Beagle 4492 reads
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19 / 22

Any one reading my comments would realize that they are based on my personal experiences, they are factual. Opinions and experiences with the general public's comments and behavior regarding prostitutes and certain sex acts are based on my personal experiences and are factual. They certainly do not apply to all sex workers, all prostitutes or all members of the general public. I think oral sex is great, to receive or perform, but in point of fact it is considered a derogatory act by many members of the general public who use the possibility that one has engaged in fellatio  to demean both prostitutes, non pros or men. Thanks for your comments!


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reneemyrenee See my TER Reviews 3908 reads
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my teacher took me in the hall and told me I was nothing but a prostitute. I went home and asked my mom what that meant. WoW was she mad

When I was a young teen all my boyfriends parents called me a whore and the like..


Now I am 52 and and I am a prostitute and everyone tells me or asks me if I am a librarian or a school teacher.

The poster is rude

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Legal_Beagle 4020 reads
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