Neither scenario would skirt a bust at all, and as has been said, Scenario No 1 would definitely add a felony pandering charge. And, by the way, the gentleman shows up, finds a lady who is NOT the lady he expects, gives her the money, and lets her LEAVE on blind faith that the real provider is really just in the Loo waiting for him? Oh come on!
The lady makes an appointment to meet a gentleman. Nothing is discussed about sex for money in any context. In fact, there is no discussion about money at ALL. The gentleman should simply say 'I saw your www site/review on TER/ad in whatever.com' and I'd like to spend an hour with you.' Any mention of sex or dollars terminates the process.
The gentleman and lady meet. Again, there is zero discussion of money or 'the envelope.' The lady makes conversation with the gentleman and finds him exceptionally attractive and one thing leads to another and sex occurs.
The gentleman leaves an envelope for the lady after the fact. No mention of it is made whatever by either party.
The down side is that the lady might get ripped off by a real bastard. Yet is that not 1000 times preferable to a bust? I've been with ladies that worked essentially this way and said they had never been (pardon the pun) stiffed!
As a provider I'm just trying to find easier ways to feel more comfortable with the legalaties or non-legalaties of p4p. What is actually illegal is giving or accepting payment for sex... right? Giving money to somebody is not illegal. Having sex with a perfect stranger who is of age is not illegal.
What about this scenario?
Two providers work together. An appointment is set with a client for a specific provider. That provider waits in a bedroom, the other provider goes to the door, greets the client, takes his coat, offers some drink, then asks for the donation. The money is handed over, greeter provider leaves the premesis with the money. The bedroom provider comes out of the room, finds a handsome client there, and they have a great sexual encounter. The lady with the money did not have sex. The lady who had sex did not collect the money. NOthing illegal took place right???
Scenario #2. A provider runs a legitimate business besides her escorting service. Say she sells a product that she makes. Is it illegal for her to ask prospective "clients" to invest in her legit business. And offer an escort session for free? It would go like this: If you invest in my legit business the ammount of money that a one hour session would cost, I would give you some token of gratitude for that investment, then upon meeting you, I would find you attractive and we would be overcome by passion and have sex.
in many states and change a misdemeanor to a felony. The first lady could be charged with conspiracy to pander in addition to prostitution. Any time a third person is involved there are also statutes prohibiting the operating of a brothel and living of the earnings of a prostitute that might be charged. NOT A GOOD IDEA.
Scenario #2 is no different than selling your time - the way you label an illegal transaction is irrelevant to criminal liability.
There is only one way to do it and have a chance at avoiding criminal prosecution and that is to do in the context of making a pornographic film. Prepare a script, film the encounter, pay the actors, put it in the net, and at least under the California Supreme Court's rather clueless decision, you have a shot at First Amendment protection.
Neither scenario would skirt a bust at all, and as has been said, Scenario No 1 would definitely add a felony pandering charge. And, by the way, the gentleman shows up, finds a lady who is NOT the lady he expects, gives her the money, and lets her LEAVE on blind faith that the real provider is really just in the Loo waiting for him? Oh come on!
The lady makes an appointment to meet a gentleman. Nothing is discussed about sex for money in any context. In fact, there is no discussion about money at ALL. The gentleman should simply say 'I saw your www site/review on TER/ad in whatever.com' and I'd like to spend an hour with you.' Any mention of sex or dollars terminates the process.
The gentleman and lady meet. Again, there is zero discussion of money or 'the envelope.' The lady makes conversation with the gentleman and finds him exceptionally attractive and one thing leads to another and sex occurs.
The gentleman leaves an envelope for the lady after the fact. No mention of it is made whatever by either party.
The down side is that the lady might get ripped off by a real bastard. Yet is that not 1000 times preferable to a bust? I've been with ladies that worked essentially this way and said they had never been (pardon the pun) stiffed!
Just a FYI, I do know ladies that have said they were stiffed by clients using "the envelope" including a couple of pornstars. One told me that a guy handed her the envelope with a wad of paper in it that consisted of a $20 on either end and newspaper cut to the correct size in between. Fortunately, she checked first and questioned him about it. He claimed he handed her the wrong envelope and had to go get the right one. From her story, the guy came back about 10 minutes later with another envelope that was identical to the first except for $100 bills on either end of the wad. She tossed him out.
I've also heard of ladies being paid by Monopoly money. Some caught it in time, some didn't.
So, while "the envelope" method sort of works from a legal standpoint, the girls should always check the envelope to make sure it contains what they expect.
My understanding is that as long as there's no discussion about what the client will be getting or what's in the envelope, it'd be hard to prove an illegal act took place. Essentially, you have a guy entering a room and putting an envelope on the table. There's nothing illegal in that. If the girl is a cop, he could just say that he was putting the envelope full of money there while he was visiting the lady. If the guy is a copy, the girl is merely looking to see what's in the strange envelope that the guy put down on the table to make sure it isn't something dangerous or illegal putting her in jeopardy.
If one or the other is a cop, there still could be an arrest. But a conviction would be difficult.
On the funny side of life, I recently heard that a sting in NJ involved a local cop going to see a provider as part of a sting on CL girls. The girl turned out to be a County Sheriff's officer working a sting to get johns who use CL. I haven't been able to verify this story but it's damned funny. What a waste of resources!!!!
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