I will be in Vegas for a conference in May and would like to try an overnight date for the first time. (my longest date has been 4hours). It is hard to find reviews of overnights.
    Who do you guys recommend ? (I have seen April luv,Marie Styles, Katie Flowers,and Demi in the past)One caveat: I hope to donate less than $2500.

xoxo Lovely Lorena

I have done a few overnights in the past at a discounted rate with gents I met at a M&G & I knew we would have a blast.

Life is a gamble !

Typically an overnight with me begins with an hour of playtime in the room, then we enjoy 2hrs at dinner and maybe another 1.5hrs for a show, back to the room for another 2hrs (where I can always have a friend join us for a bit) then maybe some gambling or heading to bed, a round of fun before breakfast then I am off to class!

Total playtime in the room is maybe 4hrs the rest of the time is social or sleeping so I think that is a reasonably fair rate and I am surprised to hear that is considered the lower end of the spectrum??

I guess I am not following, what the problem seems to be?

you are not greedy and you have some common sense.  There are many lovely ladies in Las Vegas with overnight rates below $2500. Ladies such as yourself, Lorena and Nikki Avalon just to name a few.

Each of the ladies he's mentioned have hourly rates between 500-600 and overnights between 3k-5k (who knows about this "Demi" person, there's only about 90 of them he could be referring to).  He's obviously not wanting to book any of them as they are far outside his price range (and he wouldn't have bothered to post here if he was rebooking w/one of them) - but he obviously likes the look that goes along with that price range.  Hence, champagne tastes and a beer budget.

As to the multiplier - most girls that charge around 500/hr are not going to spend 12+hrs with someone and only get paid for 5 (500/hr x 5hrs = 2500).  Even if you factor time out for sleeping (most ladies will state they *require* 6-8 UNINTERRUPTED [good luck with that unless you have separate bedrooms] hours of sleep) as being 'unpaid' time (though why would you not want to be paid when you're dealing with a potential snorer/blanket stealer/smotherer/sleep-talker/walker/etc), entertaining a man socially as well as BCD generally amounts to significantly more than 5 hours of paid time.  So when you add the BCD + social + premium on the sleeping arrangement issue to the package.... 5 straight hours of pay ain't no where near enough to tempt most gals.

Granted, some ladies give overnights away so cheaply that it gives quite a different impression.... and if that works for them, huzzah!  But those numbers simply don't work for a lot of ladies.

Generally speaking, the guys enjoying the shallower end of the pool will applaud the ladies they find there quite vocally (and perhaps not undeservedly so) but the guys swimming in deeper waters don't generally care to engage in these sorts of forums so that voice is sadly missing from the debate.  

Suffice it all to say that if each lady charges what she feels is appropriate, the market will decide if she's right.... and each gent should know his means and stay within them... and we should all hold hands and sing Kumbayah.

I'm speaking of the product's PRICE POINT and yes,  less than 2500 for an overnight IS the shallow end of the FINANCIAL pool! lol  

Just a quick search of LV ladies with an average rating above a 9 (remember, we're using the OP's tastes as a guide here), the number of ladies with "-2500" in their profile vs the number of those with "+2500" is 57:37.  So it is clear there are A LOT of ladies who charge upwards of that figure for something or another - and no, I'm not willing to do any more research for you to further define or defend the obvious.

Yes, there are some wonderful ladies in that price point.  I'm not making any sort of value judgement on the ladies (or gents) under this price range, or above it.  I'm simply stating some rather plain and simple facts.

It must really take a lot of effort to purposefully misconstrue something so simple.  I've been painfully clear in this thread and I see no point in trying to break it down into even more elementary language.  Good evening to you.

Nikki is a great overnight companion.  Has none of the restrictions noted in earlier posts and is a great person as well.

that I believe all women in this business value themselves highly as individuals whether they charge $6,000 for an overnight or they charge $2,500 for an overnight.  What works for some ladies may not work for other ladies - that is the nature of this business.  To me personally, breaking down a 12 hour period of time that you spend with someone into an hourly rate isn't what it is all about.  To me it is about the quality of time spent together during that 12 hour period.  

There is so much to do in Vegas during that said 12 hours and it can go by very fast. So much fun can be had by the gentleman and the lady such as dinner, shows, dancing, playing, gambling - Vegas is a city that doesn't sleep.   I think it all boils down to the experience that you are looking for and I feel that you can pretty much get the same experience whether you are in the shallow end of the pool or if you dive into the deep end if you do your homework.   Great memories can be made no matter what the price point is.

Ms. Cole is an extremely beautiful and successful businesswoman and without out a doubt can command any price point that she sets.  Kudos to her!  I think that is a awesome and there are so many men would give their right arm to be able to spend a night with her - they will and they do if she is the one that they want.

If a gentleman is unable to pay a top price, he will look for those within his range and there are many ladies in that range who would love to see the OP here in Vegas and spend a fun filled evening with him!

Kasey

A classless comment from a usually classy lady

For the umpteenth time, I am discussing price point - not human value or whatever else.

His desired product is obvious based on who he named.  He exposed his TASTE in that.  He then said he had a BUDGET that is considerably less than than what his TASTE would indicate.  Hence, champagne taste and beer budget.

For the freakin life of me, I don't see why this is misunderstood as somehow saying the LADIES themselves were either champagne or beer, good/bad, high end/low end.  The whole conversation is about HIS stated TASTE and HIS stated BUDGET.  They simply do not line up. It has NOTHING to do with ME and MY opinions of anyone.

You're wasting your time arguing with her, laffy.  Some women in this business think that their p*ssy is made of gold and that they are better than every other girl out there.  Funny thing is that they still have to suck dick to make a living just like the rest of us.  I, seriously, do not understand what makes a $1,000/hour girl better than a $25 street walker.  I mean I understand that the man will receive a different type of service with each one, and I get that.  But to think you are any better than the $25 street walker is to be in total denial.  Sucking dick is sucking dick.  And if these so-called high end ladies really had a brain, they would find a sugar daddy to take care of them or, ideally, a rich husband to marry.  But, I guess they got passed over for someone else.  

I love to cuddle!

Well stated...

Jesus...I need to hire you into my company.  You must intimidate the shit out of men.  Very impressive.

The guy simply stated he wanted an overnight at a particular price point.  He was using the names he mentioned to establish his bona fides.  If his goal was to have one of the named providers on an overnight, he would have simply directed his question to one of the named ladies.  No need to post on the board.  He posted because he was looking someone else.

But even if he wanted one of the named ladies, your comment was totally tasteless.  He can afford what he can afford.  He is simply being upfront with that information.  Your comment was insulting, rude and unwarranted.  If you don't want to see him on an overnight, you don't need to chime in.

I used to want to see you, but no more.  I wouldn't do you with Laffy's dick.

Hi Edrienne,
                 I did not intend to start a controversy. I have never had an overnight date. I only hobby in Vegas a few times a year and have chosen some beautiful women who also have beautiful personalities.
                I assume an overnight would include a nice dinner and a show in addition to the donation. I don't consider my budget a beer budget and I am not looking for a "cheap date". I was just hoping for some recommendations from the guys because it is difficult to find many overnight reviews and tedious to check 30-40 websites for the overnight "rate".
                 I would plan a very nice evening at a great restaurant and a fun show.I won't be working on a "beer budget" but humbly indicated what I was targeting as the donation.

Brimstoner

Hoot_Brie ,
                 I went to the advanced search function but did not see a filter for overnight reviews. I am new here  so I may have missed it. Is there such a filter?

The problem is that sometimes the truth hurts lol

Serena x

That they belong in the shallow end of the pool or are allowed only beer vs champagne dates.

If you're not sure of your status, send your PM to EC. I'm sure she'll be happy to explain it to you.

Why else would the exact same sentiment be made on the GD board by a man and no one gives a shit.  God forbid a woman be able to think about business and make statements regarding such - the lynch mob tries to turn it into something FAR from the truth just so they can see sparks fly.  And I feel for the people who buy into that bs... but what can you do?  Let them have their delusions and make their assumptions.  In the end, it's better for both of us.  They won't desire to see me and I won't need to screen them out.

But regretfully, I'd not take a position in your company other than "consultant".  I'm thoroughly unemployable after running 2 national companies from the ground up for years now.  Streamlining business processes and increasing profitability are something of a specialty of mine.... but if you just needed me on the board to get the execs a tad flustered, that could be fun too!  

LOL Well, we have that in common!

I'm not sure why people assume "beer" means "bad".  My gawd, craft brewing alone is an $8 B (with a B) industry!  

The simple search I did based on your parameters (9 score, less than 2500) revealed 57 ladies with that number in their profile; same search but above 2500 revealed 37.  There can be no doubt (and there is NO shame) that the lower end suits more people's budgets and that's where you are.  

Why the uproar and fuss over a simple indisputable fact, I'll never figure out.   The sky is blue; a circle is round; 2500 for an overnight is on the low end of scale.  There's no judgement in that!  But wanting a Katie Flowers (or the other girls you mentioned, again, this has nothing to do with ME) for that rate is not likely to happen (that whole multiplier effect).

Anyway, as others (and I, as well) have stated there are plenty of girls in your range... and based on their reviews, quite nice ones as well.  If we have nothing further to go on that your stated TASTE and your stated BUDGET, there's really little help we can provide as they simply don't match up.... thus the entire mess we see around us.

I do wish you well and hope you find the right girl for your adventure!
xo

I normally just read the boards and rarely respond.  Although I have not seen them overnight I have seen both Lovely Lorena and Kiwigirl.  You would have a great time with either of them.

Well Said.  I agree.

You can afford what you can afford.  There is no need to demean a person because of their budget or a person who will provide a service within that budget.  

So...

You wouldn't do her with Laffy's dick either?

sending you a pm with some thoughts

xo
LaRue McCay

Never have to save her  from  drowning or going down the drain , when she's  standing in the shallow end of the pool  

  I don't snore or talk/walk  in my sleep ,  nor would I want any  deep water babes waking me up when I'm sleeping , no matter how fresh she rates her own champagne .

  I would rather enjoy my dreams , awakening alert  in the morning .

 Some people forget , everyone is different , we can only speak for ourselves and our own personal experiences with any degree of accuracy .


 

Posted By: EdrienneCole

Each of the ladies he's mentioned have hourly rates between 500-600 and overnights between 3k-5k (who knows about this "Demi" person, there's only about 90 of them he could be referring to).  He's obviously not wanting to book any of them as they are far outside his price range (and he wouldn't have bothered to post here if he was rebooking w/one of them) - but he obviously likes the look that goes along with that price range.  Hence, champagne tastes and a beer budget.

As to the multiplier - most girls that charge around 500/hr are not going to spend 12+hrs with someone and only get paid for 5 (500/hr x 5hrs = 2500).  Even if you factor time out for sleeping (most ladies will state they *require* 6-8 UNINTERRUPTED [good luck with that unless you have separate bedrooms] hours of sleep) as being 'unpaid' time (though why would you not want to be paid when you're dealing with a potential snorer/blanket stealer/smotherer/sleep-talker/walker/etc), entertaining a man socially as well as BCD generally amounts to significantly more than 5 hours of paid time.  So when you add the BCD + social + premium on the sleeping arrangement issue to the package.... 5 straight hours of pay ain't no where near enough to tempt most gals.

Granted, some ladies give overnights away so cheaply that it gives quite a different impression.... and if that works for them, huzzah!  But those numbers simply don't work for a lot of ladies.

Generally speaking, the guys enjoying the shallower end of the pool will applaud the ladies they find there quite vocally (and perhaps not undeservedly so) but the guys swimming in deeper waters don't generally care to engage in these sorts of forums so that voice is sadly missing from the debate.  

Suffice it all to say that if each lady charges what she feels is appropriate, the market will decide if she's right.... and each gent should know his means and stay within them... and we should all hold hands and sing Kumbayah.

if you cannot say anything nice just do not say it..

I agree the true high end do not post on boards..and I have seen many of them

You don't need to read a review about an overnight to decide which lady works for you.
I have many overnights , but not many reviews about it .......because those are type of gents who usually don't write reviews.

Find a lady who floats your boat , I am sure most ladies provide extended appointments.
Contact her , and see if you click and if her donations are in the range you want to donate.
I know plenty of wonderful ladies who are  


What do I mean by click ?
So a gent contacts me and says he wants to plan dinner at a sea food restaurant  and go to a heavy metal concert .
It doesn't matter how wonderful I am, and how much fun I am to be with in and out of the bedroom .
I don't eat seafood ( sorry allergic ) and I am not into heavy metal ....... so the gent may be better off looking for a different lady.

Another gent contacts me wants an overnight. Wants to go to a steakhouse and dancing in a night club .
Perfect for me ..... I love that !!
Then we talk and find out we have so much more in common ......
Perfect ! we are meant for each other .

Don't worry so much about reviews. They don't always tell the "real story"
and numbers of the reviews ...... well they are just numbers .
10/10 doesn't mean you will have the best time ever !!

Look for whoever floats your boat and take it from there .
Communicate a bit and pay attention ....... you can learn a lot about someone based on how they communicate with you.

Personally if I have never met someone , I book a long evening with overnight optional to extended .
That way if for whatever reasons things aren't going as well ,as one or both of us hoped , then there is always an option to short cut the session.

Or maybe one party just feels to tired .....
*hint* not me , I am always up through the overnight

But sometimes guys think an overnight is for them , then they realize by 2:00-3:00  am they are so tired and they have to get up early for a convention and they really didn't think when they booked this night that they have been up since early AM to fly into Vegas so now basically they have already been up almost 24 hours and they really need some good sleep ........

Well good thing Spice lady was thinking about all that

Hope this helps you to figure out how to approach an overnight.
For more tips please sign up for the Spice Spring Semester  *wink wink*
xoxo CindySpice  

   

So what 2 national companies did you bring from the ground up?  What field was it in?  If you can streamline business processes and increase profitability for a major company so well, how come I don't see you in Forbes 400 wealthiest or at least as a CFO?

Posted By: EdrienneCole

Why else would the exact same sentiment be made on the GD board by a man and no one gives a shit.  God forbid a woman be able to think about business and make statements regarding such - the lynch mob tries to turn it into something FAR from the truth just so they can see sparks fly.  And I feel for the people who buy into that bs... but what can you do?  Let them have their delusions and make their assumptions.  In the end, it's better for both of us.  They won't desire to see me and I won't need to screen them out.

But regretfully, I'd not take a position in your company other than "consultant".  I'm thoroughly unemployable after running 2 national companies from the ground up for years now.  Streamlining business processes and increasing profitability are something of a specialty of mine.... but if you just needed me on the board to get the execs a tad flustered, that could be fun too!  

Kind of full of yourself, aren't you?

Never did I claim that the companies were huge, well known or anything of the sort (the vicious, vocal mob did that).  The fact is they're rather small, but very profitable.  One industry is admin support (a remarkably growing field in this recent economy) and the other is in entertainment (no, not *this* kind of entertainment). You don't see me in Forbes (but I am C level for both companies) because I'm not that big a fish!  lol  

It's a straw man argument they're feeding you and sadly, you bought into.  At least you did think to ask me about it rather than *tell* me who I am or what I do in the real world.  Thank you for that!

You see, people around here like make mountains out of molehills and by me saying that that I'm unemployable after having been my own boss for 9 years, taking 2 concepts through the start-up, capitalization, the first rough few years to running at (quite profitable) capacity, weathering the worst economy since the Great Depression, and looking to sell one company off for 5-6x earnings.... it is indeed an accomplishment!  But no, not one worthy of putting me on The Shark Tank or in Forbes.  

Contrary to what the news outlets would have you believe, the world is not divided into the BIG guys and the little guys.  There are lots of us small, profitable, streamlined entrepreneurs out there filling in the gaps and helping to keep things humming along.

By the rates quoted on your website for overnights, you are for the extremely rich.  Why you would post on this thread is unknown to me.  Unless you want to brag.  I don't really care.  I would not even consider you fo an overnight because of your rates.  Your post(s) and attitude just confirmed that, even if you charged $2500/overnight.  BTW I don't consider myself cheap or on a "beer budget".  Also, I have never met anyone that would pay that for one night, but I guess I live a sheltered life.

Get over yourself.

You suck dick for a living.  Nothing wrong with that, I enjoy it.  But you are no better than the rest of us.

I'm not a regular on the boards and am not from Vegas. However, I've read through all these postings and thought I would throw my two cents out (if worth even that).

First, I remember when I was a newbie and posted on this very board back in 2008 or 2009 before a trip to Vegas for advice regarding protocol. I received awesome guidance and tips. One thing I heard from more than one hobbyist and provider was to be specific and honest about what you are looking for and what you can afford. That way you can conduct a search that makes sense, and once you contact a provider, be clear about what you want and can pay so as to avoid conflicts. Therefore, Brimstoner's posting was appropriate in the context of what I have learned is proper protocol and good manners. He stated what he was looking for and what you could afford and/or was willing to pay.

Then Edrienne made a very simple comment, which was HER PERSONAL OPINION (beer/champagne comment). She is entitled to that opinion, and by the way, many providers share that opinion. If you don't believe me, contact a few of the high dollar providers and ask them for a discount. Many of them will tell you to buzz off and provide the very same opinion as Edrienne. As a newbie, I contacted more than a few high price providers for an overnight request for a couple's session with my lady and me and was told to buzz off (in nice way) when I sought reduction of stated fees.

I have not met Edrienne personally but have communicated with her. I had scheduled a possible meeting with her before a family member had a medical emergency and we had to call it off. She was extremely kind and gracious and I liked her very much. Also, I have communicated with two hobbyists who did meet with her and they VERY much enjoyed the meeting. Yes, she charges a lot, but that is her right. If there wasn't demand, she would not get any customers. As far as I am concerned, you go girl. Not sure why all the hoopla about little comment which wasn't really that big of a deal, and why all the personal attacks on you. She is confident, so what! I like that. If you don't like her prices, move on. No need to insult her.

I've been amazed by the well mannered and kindly toned discussions on the board and found that lacking in this particular thread.

Frankly, I think your rate is somewhat high for your looks. If I wanted to spend that kind of money again,  I would spend it on Audrey Winn, Lola Daniels or other top ladies. I didn't want to get into this drama, but lately your posts seem to be full of yourself and condescending to other providers and hobbyists so I think you need a dose of reality before someone really bursts you bubbles. BTW, I gave you a 9/10 so you should be to figure out what my TER handle is. 9 was being generous on my part.

At that rate you can have 3 of the top ladies in town together. And they are hotter than she is.

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.. Bad enough you try and get those rates. But to put other ladies down because they don't.  Do everyone a favor.. stay in Denver.

... you and I discussed your preference for ladies of a different appearance before we even met (that blonde bombshell thing which the other ladies you mentioned do so fabulously).  However, you chose to see me anyway knowing full well I am not your typical "type"  and you chose to rate me as you did of your own free will.  I offered nothing, suggested nothing, pressured nothing, etc.  If now you are changing your tune, well, I suppose that is your right to do so.  And if you'd rather spend your money elsewhere, I'm more than wiling to give the referral! lol

Regarding the "condescension" thing... its a shame.  I am surprised to see that you would be taken in by those who twist, misconstrue, misquote and otherwise malign me. But I suppose anyone can be fooled, or simply have a difference of opinion.    Kindly see my post on the GD board regarding the topic; I do believe it applies.  

I know I can laugh at myself, my foibles, my flaws.  I know I am truly humble (as opposed to false humility) and appreciative of my blessings... as well as being straightforward about my accomplishments. That's called having a balanced perspective and in this world that praises the tinkling bell (false humility), it is often considered threatening and perceived negatively.  I know that a great many people see that balance in my posts- the PMs, emails and bookings I get because of my limited posting attest to this.  I know that while you may not care to repeat, I have a solid repeat clientele so plenty of others see the value in the price point v services (including my personality).  

So while I can appreciate what you have to say, I can respectfully disagree.

LOL  And yes, of course I know who you are! *wink*

you and I have PM'd
Do you realize you used so much time and effort over this.. No  one doubts your beautiful... Exotic.. etc..
Obviously extremely intelligent but all the time you have wasted when you could have smiled and not stress over this. Is probably accrued to an overnight ..
You may say it hasnt upset you but ofcourse it has.. ANYONE in this biz would be upset over this judging by your replies  .
Let it go..I ean kindly not vindictively at all.
You are not based out of Las Vegas and based upon the answer to my above statement you didnt even recognize I was referring to Nikki Avalon from a 10 page spread in Playboy a few years back..

I think you having your own opinions and thoughts count but sometimes its best to let go.
I know there has to be white knights that you have and this should not have gone to this extreme..
Obviously people think your beautiul and believe me Im not a blonde bombshell and some people hate my looks.. its ok. No one is adored by EVERYONE..??

Inregards t the regional board..
each board is diifferent.. has a flair for the town.. Las Vegas on TER is unique
I have seen many of the gorgeous women in this town and I wish that I could be a higher $$$$$ but my reality is different than others reality..


To say on a board where many ladies are in 350.00/ to 500.00 average .. beer vs. champagne is a bit disrespectful..
If you lived here you may understand the ratio of ladies vs. agencies, casino girls , and everything else you may be a little less "matter of fact" and a bit more tight with what you say on a public board that is kind of a group of  a kick ass ladies and a bunch of loyal hobbyists that help some of us ..
Take care of furthering education, purchasing homes, moving in an upward direction or just love what we do and do it ecause we can ..
You need not feel Im on attack mode because actually I feel a tad bit sad that you may have tarnished your reputation im a town you would  or doclearly excell in as a traveling city..
If thes arent your clients than why would you care about reviews?
care about where you rank? Please dont say differently because that would be pure BS..especially as a business woman such as yourself

Its a whole lot easier to maintain less reviews over a long period of time and stay high on the totem pole..

If this is your bread and butter than you are lucky and than dont need to throw out some  off the cuff rather blunt statement where the numbers clearly are within the mans budget..

Dont throw your fellow ladies under the bus.. take the high road and be proud of whatever your overnite is... I personally dont know because life is busy.

TER is simply my favorite website and I personally I can say Ive met woman ranked higher than you and that more reviews to sustain their credibilit.. they may not post here or anywhere.. yet, dont think for one secod that they condescendin or rude to us 9jack daniels ladies.. wink)
ladies that are rated higher in a town that is harder than Denver have never been throwing credentials out there toprove themselves..
Those are true ladies in this town that are top dollar hotties..

they dont spew such stuff on ter LV board because they know their business and dont look down on us shallow end of the pool ladies.. or rather jack Daniels..

Let it go. and I know you know you  are a strong woman but you cant convice everyone to understand what you meant..

Please excuse grammar,spelling etc.. Im not known for being particularly good when it comes to that part .. especially when Im seeing a train wreck on a woman from out of stat..
you did give the men a good run for their money.. and lit a few ladies fires lol.. humble yourself a bit and realize that atleast you were rattled by this and move on.

you could have charged TER an overnight and a half day lol .Im only kidding
xoxox again
you are a knockut in every avenue !!!! stay beautiful

I disagree wholeheartedly with much of what you wrote but out of respect for the heart with which you wrote it, I won't go into it all.

Ok... maybe just a little...  I've had the unbelievable circumstance to be sleeping in my own bed for 3 or 4 nights now and being bed-bound, I had little to occupy my time beyond organizing taxes, watching soap operas and making innocuous comments that were dramatically misinterpreted/overblown.  Never fear, my schedule starts up again in a few days and it will likely be another few months before I can poke my nose around and make more innocuous comments for more people to get huffy over. LOL

All my best to you!
xo

Once again Lorena shows herself to be a truly classy lady.  You are showing a lot more respect for Ms. Cole than she saw fit to give to the ladies of Las Vegas.  

Her comments were truly astounding.

I have never before gone from fantasizing about a lady to not even wanting to meet her.

What a disappointment

It is utterly scary, how words can be typed onto the Internet, and how difficult it is to interpret the intent or meaning.

A grain of salt; healthy dose of skepticism and caution.

I know, actually, I am quite sure, no one (well, except one, but apparently his seeing eye dog left him), that has have actual met Edrienne, can believe how miss interpreted this post has dissolved to. She flat out cares, about the girls, period, irrelevant of any monetary point. I personally know this for a fact, as I have shared with her, my few, but crazy adventures (four adventures with Ec, but whose counting : ), that can befall anyone here. I expect no one to believe anything I am typing here, but;
From the absolutely wonderful, kind hearted, erotic women I have met in this avenue, the one thing they share in common, and its not monetary, is a kind heart; and in my travels, none bigger than Edrienne’s.
I truly am, nobody, except, grateful (probably “pure lucky” would work here also)

See you soon Ec, “Was the sound echoing, from my mechanical, German mistress….”



-- Modified on 3/18/2013 10:58:25 PM

Oh, you mean with comments like "..this Demi person, there's only about 90 of them..."

That comment just exudes "flat out cares" .  Cue the "Can you feel the love tonight" music.

EC is a self-impressed, self-serving, self-absorbed little, well let's just say there is another "c" word.

You and she can try to rationalize her comments away any way you care to.  But its clear to me that any provider who does not charge what she does is worth less and she judges hobbyists by the size of their wallet.

Don't even get me started on that bullshit claim of "i've built two national companies from the ground up"  REALLY?!  So the companies are so successful you cross state lines and advertise your services across state lines, both federal felonies, to suck dick.  If this over-priced and over-rated bimbo really had two successful companies, she wouldn't have time to provide.

rest assured "edrienne" that I will link your postings in the Caribbean, San Diego and back to Las Vegas to the current thread.  I have never seen any provider denigrate others in the same profession as much as you.

rather than just searching the ads for a price you can afford. I don't think her statement is so horrible, considering the area. Women in New Orleans do overnights for that rate, and our cost of living is HALF of what it takes to live in a place like Vegas.

There are actually two boards that come to mind, where that "pond" of "courtesans" hangs out.

Why? Because I might happen to understand wtf she is actually SAYING, without being so insecure about myself or my rate, and use that to justify an attack on her. Hate to break it to ya, but she is correct. If a woman in New Orleans is charging 300 per hour, she is considered the "average" priced provider. If that same woman charges only 300 in Manhattan where the cost of living is 5 times higher, "HER RATE, NOT HER" would be considered on the "low end" for such an expensive place to live. I would have to fk 20 guys a week in NYC at 300 an hour, but in Nola, I could see only 4 and get by.

When a guy comes on a public board and dictates what he wants to pay, yet names girls all charging more than that, he is very well exhibiting just what EC stated. It is always the same with certain board boys when a provider does not kiss your ass or offer rock star service for peanuts! Since most of you are too clueless to actually price fix, you just praise lower priced providers and dog out anyone above your chump change.

Any woman saying she charges a rate because she wants to fit everyone in, is a flat out liar!! If I could charge 2k a date, don't think I would not be doing that shit, and anyone saying they would turn down that rate if they could get it, I must call bullshit on! We charge what we CAN GET...simple as that.

So, you don't really think I am an 8 either? Asshole, lol! Seriously, you guys can't just keep giving out high scores and then trying to say that's not what you meant to do after the fact. I had the very same guy who gave a high end provider a 10/10, only give me a 7/8 and I spent literally over 200 bucks on dinner and champagne alone, not to mention the 400 dollar suite I booked just for him.

He confided in me that NO provider (even those charging over a grand) had ever gone to dinner off the clock with him, much less paid for his meal, bought yellow label champagne, etc. and I get an 8 in performance because I don't look like a super model and did not actually lick his ass?  He paid me 800, so do the math. I literally only made 200 bucks off a 4 hour date, and did not even get credit for the extras in my review.

That is the shit that drives me fkn crazy about some guys around here! You let some hot chick make you stupid with her eye batting, when many times her performance is nothing all that special, but because she is hot, she gets a higher performance score. You can't tell me that EVERY BBW is barely a damn 8 in performance, because I call bullshit. Ugly chicks and bigger women try harder to please a man, because they have never been able to get by ONLY on their appearance. Why are only the 10s in looks given so much credit for their so called "performance?" Why are the same guys talking about them not being all that behind the scenes, yet giving them 10/10 reviews?

You of all people could use a lesson in humility, honey. All you ever yap about is how jealous of you everyone else is, yet no one really gives a shit about what some "hooker" does or looks like. If I am gong to be envious of anyone, it would not be someone like Oprah, who made her money NOT sucking c*ck, and did not use her abuse story as an excuse to justify it.

your stupid little, "I am crossing you off my list" statements, mean a damn thing to women who don't have to be here 5 days a week? Well, I can assure you they don't, and only the truly desperate provider will be salivating and humping your leg with constant ads, to secure that money. I will be sure to help EC hold her wrist, so she can slit it from this utter disappointment of you not seeing her.

Honey, you're an absolute MORON to think EC does not at least have another form of income, when she is asking so much for her services here. Let me clue you in...not exactly 100s of clients per month are willing to shuck out that kind of dough on a piece of ass, so you'd have to be a fool to think providing is her only source of income. If she was dependent only on this profession, she would in fact HAVE TO lower her rates, but I just proved you wrong on that one.

Companies can be built online dear, or have you never heard of management science and quantitative decision making, all of which can be done on IT systems, that do not require one to go into an actual office 5 days a week? And, they say hookers are stupid.

You don't care for her, and that much is obvious, but drop the bullshit. You don't know any more about her than she knows about you, so don't assume that just because someone IS a provider, that we HAVE TO work full time, and are too stupid to do anything else, because so many of us prove you wrong. I am the top poster on this board, and you would actually assume I 'have to' work as a provider more than 2 days a week? LOL, yea right. When do I have the time to suck d^ck between my postings?

I think you need to realize that not every provider has to or WANTS TO see even one guy a day. Some of us are quite content with seeing one or two a damn WEEK.

My Dear:

As someone who actually runs his own business, not two NATIONAL businesses mind you just one small one, the notion that someone is going to be able to run two NATIONAL businesses with all the regulatory requirement that goes with them as well as day to day operations  AND shuttle across the country to LA, SF, NYC, LV, Miami and Denver, posting hobby ads in requisite locales is flatly false.

But let's, just for the sake of thought experiment, posit that your theorem holds:

Gee, I have two NATIONAL businesses that are VERY profitable.  What should I do to improve my socio-economic standing and my business?  I KNOW!!!  I cross state lines to suck dick risking federal felony criminal liability each time I do.  It is no problem because I only do it one or two times a week (in case you are not a math major that is 5 to 10 times per month), because I really don't need the income.  I just enjoy head bobbing an aging, fat bald guy with more liver spots than hair folicles for the incremental income.  I mean what could be the down side?

Here's an opening list:

Interstate Criminal Activity is (as previously mentioned) a Federal felony.  Likely punishment is forfeiture of ALL proceeds of the criminal activity (and it is up to YOU to PROVE that any asset in your possession did not derive from the criminal activity).  Can you say bye bye to your two NATIONAL businesses?  By the way, usual prison sentence for a first time offender is about 5 years.

Then there is the little matter of money laundering.  Ever make a cash deposit into the account of one of your TWO NATIONAL businesses?  Kiss them businesses bye bye.

Ever expense a hobby trip on the business P&L?  Say hello to Federal tax fraud prison.  Not to worry, you'll be very popular with the guards.  

Oh and being such a professional woman you consulted with competent legal and tax advice to assure you were in compliance with all applicable laws.  Of course now Federal prosecutors are going to be crawling up their asses to indict them has co-conspirators in your interstate criminal activity.  NO CHANCE they'll provide information beneficial to the prosecution to protect themselves is there?

I could do this all day.  The notion that someone with a successful company is going to engage if Federal felony activity is malarkey.  To further add that the person is going to do so "because it really isn't that often" therefore not that much money only furthers the absurdity of your initial concept.  "Gee, I think I'll risk federal prison because it isn't that much money"

London:  

In the word of Bette Midler via Belle Barth "Shut your hole honey, mine's making money"



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For you to keep putting her down, just reiterates that it's YOU that thinks she is better, not her. Projection is a bitch.

I would never say a hooker only working 2 or 3 days a month does that "for a living" either, but I digress. At least she is not a walking ad like some of the others on this board, just begging for business with every post.

Well Gee London...

How many men nationwide read the LV board?  This is the most read hobby board in the nation.  IF EC weren't worried she would not have called you in to defend her.

Get a refund on that mail order psychology degree babe.  It is EC who referred to other gals as in the shallow end of the swimming pool.  By your own logic (a dubious claim indeed), she thinks she is in the shallow end of the pool, hence the need for a put down.

JEEZ

Nothing sadder than a pseudo-intellectual thinking they actually know something.  Got that degree by bending over did you?

we have to kiss your ass, right? Think again, lame brain. Though I admit to "blowing" my way through grad school, I did in fact get through it, and proud of it. Why is it, when anyone has something going for them other than spreading their legs, you boys just can't fathom that actually being reality? Why do you constantly put down women who have more aspirations in life, than being a vagina vendor? Could it be because dumb hookers are easier to manipulate with your intimidation? Yes, I think so lol. Pretty easy to get a discount from a hooker who has no other choice but to depend on you, eh?  Funny, I am the biggest bitch on this board and it has never affected my business one bit. Some other girl comes along and tries that, and she is attacked...don't get it.

I really wish you could see my face right now, because then you would know how many fks I give about what you think bwahahhaha. The fact that my rate is 3 times higher than what the market will bear for my area and I am the TOP poster on TER, should give you a clue that I don't "need" to work as a hooker all that much, but I digress. If fact, if you wander on over to the La. board you will see I am actually trying to GIVE BUSINESS AWAY bwahahhaah.

See ya sparky!



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I am not submitting that she does run two national companies, as I don't know anything about her. I am just saying that I know many women who do IT work and Admin. support from a computer, and never step foot in an office but maybe once or twice a quarter. Attacking her business when you have nothing else to counter with, is about the most elementary fallacy in the book. Yes, I do believe that was freshman year of undergrad? Critical Thinking?  Shocked you even got that far lol.

If you are seriously sitting here on a fk board, and spouting off about legalities when YOU are in fact breaking the law too, well...that's just retarded, and lends no way to whatever pathetic point you were so desperately trying to make. Just about everyone on TER is breaking the law by being a hooker, so who cares if running across state lines adds to that. When a provider tours, she can be convicted of a felony. Are you suggesting that all providers claim 100 percent of what they make on their taxes? If not, again...felony!

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that rant above was not meant to suggest that Nova was the one doing the things I suggested. I was only kidding with him about my review, but the rest of that rant just came out bwahahaha.

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I completely agree with your statement regarding being the biggest bitch on this board.

You accuse me committing a fallacy you evidently cannot name.. EC's claim to "run" two "National" business is pure bullshit

Red Herring, Straw Man, Ad hoc/hom, splitting hairs, mixing words, comparing Apples to Oranges...need I say more? It's not rocket science to spot someone who can't debate for shit, when all they do is attack the opponent's personal life. You should run for President.

You don't "KNOW" shit, about EC's personal life, so your bogus accusations are just that...bogus. Maybe she does, and maybe not, but why do YOU give a fk? Does it really bother you so much that a hooker of all people, might actually have some intelligence?  Is it all that shocking that most of us got a degree or were in business before deciding to put a price tag on our ass for "extra" money, not our sole source of income? Wow..talk about putting down an entire board, retard.

I am not saying I know she runs two companies, because I certainly don't, but neither do YOU. I am simply saying it is POSSIBLE for someone to be making a six figure salary in Admin. Support and be a traveling provider. I know MANY traveling Nurses and Surgical Techs doing the same thing. You bet your ass they are letting their company pay for their hotel room, and turn tricks out of it. Is it smart? Well, hell no, but it's done all the time. I was Pharm Rep for 5 years and fked docs all the time for extra commission...same damn thing. I was still a closet hooker.

You are the typical board boy, with self entitled mentality that only a handful of hookers fall for because you have money to spend. I guess EC is not one of them...boo fkin hoo. Pick up your bottom lip. Come play with me on the General Board...I need a new mouse to kick around. The boys are getting restless with no new material.

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This thread went somewhere....I wonder if Brimstoner found an overnight companion.  Good luck or I hope you had good luck....Talk about a hijacked thread.  Was fun to read and even inspired me to post....which is seldom.  Everybody have fun and stay safe.  MrToad

Straw man
Ad hoc
splitting hairs
mixing words
comparing apples to oranges

None of these items constitute either  formal or informal fallacies.

Ad hom

Which I presume refers to argumentum ad hominem
is an informal fallcy that i did not commit.

That someone so ignorant can be so loquacious is truly amazing.