If you would like to be ripped off, taken advantage of, and basically screwed (but not how you want it), then by all means see her.
After moving from LV, I stayed in touch with her and she called on am almost weekly basis begging for money (for her drug habit although she wouldn't admit to it).  In a year I sent her $3000, and the whole while it was understood that upon my return to LV she would see me for an evening of fun.  Well I returned to LV, called her, and although it's always a miracle to get ahold of her, was able to, whereupon she informed me if I wanted to see her that evening, it'd be hre usual charge of $350. WTF?? I said, but she insisted the 3 grand I'd sent was a personal favor, that no one put a gun to my head, so it was my own fault/loss.
She's a pathetic excuse for a whore; it's my fault for sending her so much money but we spoke and texted frequently and the understanding was clear that I was doing this and in return all I asked for was an evening, that I would treat her to lunch or dinner and we'd spend several hours together, in private.  She re-negged, I'm pissed. She needs to rot in hell.

brah she is a whore what do you expect.

By the text of your post slowpo, you appear to think that all the ladies here are alike. I thank you for bringing that to my attention. Please let me know who you would like to see so I can NOT see them. Though, by the look of things, you are well on your way to becoming persona non grata, and will have a hell of a time trying to see anyone worth seeing. Why don't you go look on c*****list. Maybe someone there will deign to see you. I doubt anyone here will. If you would, please do all of us a favor, and, by all means, leave now. If you decide to stay, then at least have the decency to treat people with a little respect.

It has been said you are not welcome here. But hey, others have come before you, and they will come after you.

But, if you stay and keep posting BS, insulting and crude comments to ladies or even the gents, be prepared to be at the bottom of the proverbial "dog-pile".

You have absolutely no class and have proved that in a very short time. May I personally suggest you go back under the bridge from which you came.

wtf-dude--are you just coming in the forum to stir up trouble

"Neither a borrower nor a lender be,
For loan oft loses both itself and friend"

Sorry about your loss.

-- Modified on 11/17/2008 8:59:55 AM

Your own words say that you knew she had a drug problem, that alone would have made me never want to be more intimate with her than a handshake.  Her 'tude now should be no surprise. I learned long ago that 'loans' are almost never repaid.
MVR

That kind of language is completely inappropriate on this Board where we try to treat everyone with respect, at least until they prove to be a troll.

         I can't tell if you are trying to stir up trouble or just are clueless about how to post. Perhaps you should review the posting guidelines and spend a little time reading the posts on this Board before you post again.

        Certain subjects and language are greatly frowned upon and you seem to be hitting them all right out of the gate.

       Start over, clean up your act, and you will be welcomed to the Board.

What does her reneging on your loan have to do with her as a provider?  You, yourself, stated that you still wanted to see her, so you can't say that she isn't worth seeing (however her last review raises some concerns).  You are not raising any issue of performance or even something related to the hobby.

All you are doing is trying to disrupt the provider's business because you are pissed that you were stupid enough to trust her with 3K outside of the hobby.  That's a little shameful if you ask me.  You rant and rave about her "drug" problem and dishonor, but you relate it only to your foolish decision to loan her money. I can't see even trusting you about the "drugs" because you are so pissed off that your post may very well be an exaggeration of your suspicions rather than a recitation of the truth.  Have you ever seen her do drugs? - you didn't say you had. Has she ever admitted? No, you said she denies it.

Now, if you had raised the understandable issue of possibly warning us not to give her screening information because she is untrustworthy (as evident of the reneging), you may have had a point.  However, you certainly felt safe enough to post this, so it can be reasonably presumed that you are not concerned with her handling of your screening info.

So, what's the real issue here?  You got taken advantage of through your own foolishness, and to get back at her you come on the board to "warn" us away from her even though she seems to have done nothing wrong that is hobby related.

Sometimes the best posts are those not submitted.

Alias used because you are on full tilt and I don't need another board problem.

It soundes like a case for Judge Judy !

Dude - if you give me $3000, I will guarantee you will get to nail Ashley of Spokane.

Trust me.

Well said. I too learned my lesson...been there, done that and bought a bunch of t-shirts in my case....lol.  Never again is right.

The search feature listed 15 of them in LV and I did not see one listed as Ashley of Spokane.

LV has some really good Ashleys so it would be fairer to them if you would specify the one about whom you are complaining.

BBBJ69Lover reviewed her in Feb, 2006. If you click on his reviews (he only has three), you can find her profile.

I agree that it wouldn't be fair to confuse her with another Ashley. On the other hand, I'm not sure it was fair to anyone for BBBJ69Lover to post about his misfortune at all, including himself. I'm in agreement with AdvocatesDevil that this is a post that should never have seen the light of day! I DO understand how he feels though! I'm afraid his emotions got the better of his common sense in this case. Human nature!

T.L.

-- Modified on 11/17/2008 3:58:42 PM

The Skipper sang it to Mary Ann when the castaways put on "Hamlet, the Musical."

It's at 4:44 in the linked clip.  The music is from the opera "Carmen" by Georges Bizet.  "Neither a borrower.." is sung to the tune of the famous Toreador Song."

it's a lot quicker than using the search feature.

Whatever the merits of whether he should have posted or not, that ship has sailed. The important thing now is to avoid any collateral damage to the other 14 Ashleys.

According to our original poster:

"In a year I sent her $3000, and the whole while it was understood that upon my return to LV she would see me for an evening of fun."

So yes, this is (if our OP is correct) a ripoff just as much as if he left $3,000 on the hotel room dresser and she cash and dashed, or if he had put money down as a deposit (as some ladies do require) and didn't get money back or services rendered, through no fault of his own. (Of course, he may not be.)

Now, granted, I don't think the OP was very wise in handling this or in how he brought this to the board- just like it's probably not wise to leave $3,000 in cash on your dresser where somebody can snatch it. But it does speak to her as a provider if she makes a commitment and won't keep it, and yeah, the community does kind of need to know these things- though there's two sides to every story and Ashley would certainly be welcome to bring hers here, too, I think.

-- Modified on 11/17/2008 7:08:27 PM

this wasn't a normal deal where he asked for an overnight or specific time period for a specific amount, which would take this episode into a hobby related ROB.  Instead, as he portrays the sequence of events, she called him weekly begging for money.  This seems to suggest that the $3K was just an ending amount that could have been either lower or higher depending on how long he would have let it run to.  

Then he goes further to state that it was "understood" that he would take her to lunch or dinner (and pay for it) and then get "several" hours together.  Understood by whom.  He says that they talked and text messaged, but never says that she actually made a deal where she would pay him back with time for the money he sent.  

In fact, if his sequence was how it played out (no reason to doubt it), in the beginning, there was no way either of them could have known how much he would have ultimately sent her because it was "weekly" begging for more and more money.  One can only presume that he kept sending more and more, began to realize that it was adding up, and then started laying terms of make-up time in return.  To me, that does not a deal make.  This interpretation is just as reasonable as that of a quid pro quo deal that would take this into the realm of a rip-off or ROB.

Or maybe not.  It's in my nature to see both sides.

I don't think it's unfair to bring things like this to open forums where both sides can participate- and everyone can make judgments as to who is or isn't credible.

But yeah, I've only seen this about a zillion times: hobbyist advances money on session when provider falls on hard times, hobbyist doesn't get satisfaction, hobbyist bitches on forum, gets told "gosh, that was dumb of you". Lather, rinse, repeat with the next hobbyist. I think the last provider around here who did this was Lacey, the one who liked belt buckles, who eventually vanished into the ether, which is often the next step in this dance.

-shrug-

-- Modified on 11/17/2008 7:32:51 PM

best descriptive phrases I've seen on this site.  Thank you - loved it.  I might steal this if you don't mind.  It truly catches the essence of these recurring issues.  Bravo - one of the reasons that I always enjoy your posts.

I'm still not sure whether he advanced money for a long date or if he started out helping her and ended up wanting something for it.  But it really doesn't matter.  He ended up screwed in the wrong way.  I also still don't think he needed to bring the drug issue into it just because he was pissed.

One day Laci called me. Her cat was sick, needed emergency surgery. Could I help? Well, who could refuse to help a poor kitty? I sent her a small donation. Never heard from Laci, or the cat, again. Not even a meow.

         Turns out that cat had really bad luck with its health. About a year later, I read on the Board about another gentleman who had been asked to contribute to the health care plan for Laci’s cat. H’mm.
         
         So the moral of the story is, this why we need Senator Obama’s universal health care plan, so I won’t have to pay for Laci’s cat. No, that’s not it. How about a fool and his money are..no who would be the fool?

         I may never figure out the moral of the story of me and Laci’s cat. But when I come to Vegas and stare at the bright lights, I sometimes feel that Laci’s cat is out there somewhere. And he’s winking at me.
 

I think the original post was a bad idea.

First, though, let me say I don't blame BBBJ69lover for doing it. Variations of what happened to him have happened to a lot of us, and the feelings we get of betrayal, unfairness, and foolishness on our own part are very strong! The temptation to get even and make ourselves feel better is just as strong. We also figure the money is lost, so what more harm can we do to ourselves. But when feelings like that overtake us, it is usually better to think a little more before we act.

Yes, three grand is a lot of money to throw down the drain, but an argument can be made that it is insignificant in comparison to the ability to earn a living in one's chosen profession. This board is more powerful than some of us know, I think. By posting his story, the OP probably did way more than get even! It could be compared to shooting someone dead for intentionally stepping on your toe. He might have thought that what he did was fair, but I think a lot of us realize that he went way beyond fairness, even though he might not have meant to!

But his post could hurt him as much, almost, as it could hurt the object of his frustration. How many girls would want to make a date with someone who is willing to name her in a scathing post on this board? I wouldn't want to have the reputation of doing that! As I said below, I don't think he thought through the possible consequences of posting that. He was still a little mentally paralyzed by his emotions, I think.

T.L.

P.S.: Another reason I think it was a bad idea is that it gave Slowpo an excuse to ask another asinine question! Lol!

-- Modified on 11/17/2008 10:00:32 PM

I doubt she'll lose anywhere near that in business, so she'll get off relatively easy. I think a message should be sent that unacceptable behavior in the hobby comes with a penalty that exceeds the transgression.

This of course assumes that the OP's story is completely true.

It takes a LOT of bad press to really knock a provider who's gone bad out of business. One person randomly going off isn't going to do it, especially if it's not true (which it may not be). So I'd rather err on the side of getting the information into the public domain- and getting all sides of the story out there.

In most cases, this community sniffs out the bullshit artists (provider or hobbyist) before too long, one way or another.

and I am overestimating the power of this board. But I have seen the effect of being banned from this board, and it is considerable (mostly in the case of agencies, I admit)! I would think that a post as negative as this one would be even more damaging than no image here at all. Of course, what happened to BBBJ69lover, even if his story is completely true, shouldn't mean that Ashley of Spokane isn't still a good provider that you can have a great time with, but if you were considering her, would you still see her after reading that post, with no other information to go on besides her web site and profile?

T.L.


-- Modified on 11/17/2008 10:59:37 PM

what you do for a living, IMALLIN! Now I know! Lol! Sorry, I'm just trying to imagine you with a black robe and gavel! We missed you last night, by the way!

T.L.

one of the main reasons she will not be harmed by all this on the board, is that a very very small percentage of true hobbyist spend much time reading discussion boards.

That said, I don't believe Ashley is reading them either, so do not expect an rebuttal post anytime soon.

Yes, assuming the OP is completely factual.

Do ladies really go up under your black rob... just wondering cause I had heard that rumor.