Hello everyone. As a community in this hobby, we tend to forget little things that we don't realize. We have to remember that the girls we see are human and not robots off an assembly line. Without these people, TER wouldn't exist, and we need to treat them accordingly. There are three major points I want to get off my chest.

1. Providers need their rest. The extensive tours they do, whether by car or plane, raising a family (yes! many of them actually raise families!), late nights, early mornings, really take their toll mentally as well as physically. Even if the provider says they can go all night and never get tired. Don't make them out to be like an Energizer bunny Super pornstar. Many of them don't get enough sleep and catches up with them. Or if all they need is an energy drink and they are set. Which is bad by the way, because you are just trying to squeeze more energy out of an already tired body. They aren't machines. They need rest so they will be at their best for us. So if they are too tired and need to cancel, be compassionate and understand...it will go a long way.
2. This comes to my next point. Even the most consistent providers will slip up in keeping meetings. They run into unexpected situations as we do. Nobody is perfect. Which is why some are late. You may even get a no call, no show from one who usually keeps you updated. Maybe rare but it can happen. Maybe they had a family emergency. They have things in their personal lives, people, who have priority over everything else. Maybe they had a delay in their flight, or had car trouble. Or just too tired because they do their best to accomplish everything explained previously, which can make them forget things. They need to take care of themselves before us.
3. Lastly we can't always expect these girls to provide 100% of their services all the time. They aren't blow up dolls. They provide because they choose to. If one says they like to be with other girls, that's only if they are in the mood, you can't force them. Or if they are a "Greek Freak", don't expect it all the time. I absolutely love going to the Greek Isles, but if they aren't in the mood, then that's okay with me. Just like your own girlfriend, or wife, you wouldn't push them would you?

Now what have we learned? Providers are human and have needs. They need their rest, have private lives of their own, run into problems and can forget things. Last but not least, they have the right to choose. I tend to be selfish, and in the process forget these points. So while we play guys lets remember we aren't playing with toys, they are poeple. I want to dedicate this post to a special someone who holds a special place in my heart, and you know why. You know who you are.

Until the final product is ready, I guess we'll have to take your advice.

Not getting into tit for tat here, but they DO have that right to choose. And they have chosen this line of work because for some, (some I said) they are knocking down $300 to $500K/yr. If you think "some" are not making this you are just not working the right math.

I agree they are all due respect. I have always given that. Always. Will I loose sleep over all the things involved in their lives and how hard they work? Frankly no.

I know several people that work the daily grind and some of them 3 jobs like a waitress I met at breakfast this morning. Some are working 60-80 hours a week and do not even come close to the kind of income some of these girls can knock down.

Okay, pile on folks.

That's the difference between you and me. I actually have a heart.

Both are customer service jobs that can "take their toll mentally as well as physically".

And, you know, if saying I have some sympathy with hard-working waitresses AND providers is going to mean I don't get to see a particular provider, I'm fine with that. I know my ATF tips pretty heavily, like I do, because she's been there and knows customer service and physical labor isn't all that much fun at times. And last I checked, waitresses don't usually get to have orgasms or make a couple hundred dollars per customer.

(No, I'm not the guy who posted above, but this kind of frosted me, having seen a lot of hard-working people in customer service who DON'T make $300-500 for an hour's work, or even a DAY'S work. I like providers as much as the next guy but setting working people against each other in a "can you top this" contest is missing the goddamned point.)

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I found a pic. Notice the attention they are paying to the mouth. I head it gives a great bj.

I didn't call you an "assO" or any other provider a name.

For every opinion there is dissenting opinion or a different slant on the topic at hand. Though some people use discussion boards for releasing pent up anger and name calling, it really is for discussion.

Prior to my response I noticed that this thread was started in Phoenix as well. I'm not sure why those two cities were selected.
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=68799&boardID=5&page=1

As stated in my original post, I'm "Not getting into tit for tat here". I was simply giving an analogy of different workers. I did have breakfast with a friend yesterday. It was my friends hang-out not mine. Even though this lady (would never make it as a provider btw) did work three jobs, she was as good a waitress as I have seen in a while with nothing but smiles, understanding her state of affairs and forging ahead. My friend told me of her 3 jobs not her, with that I was impressed. And, it was fresh on my mind.

A man in the hobby is looking for the fantasy. We also pay you to go home. That is what it is. If it was all they hoped for, they will repeat as well. Or, move on to the next conquest. Lardvador made some very nice points in favor of the providers. I’m not sure how many true hobbyist (and I am one) need a lecture on the matter, but oh well. Well put, and coming from a hobbyist it makes is a good post.

However, I stand behind his words and mine, you and they all have choices. You can get out of the business, scale back to a level that does not cause you so much stress, or go for the gusto and make as much money as possible while able to do so. It’s your choice.

I just want the fantasy, ok.

I just had a providor cancel on me.  We have seen each other a few times.  I had arranged a double with her and another lady; flew to meet her, booked hotel, etc.

She has a family situation and will not be able to make it.  Am I disappointed...yes.  But, family always comes first and do I blame her for putting a family emergency before me...absolutley not.

This is a business, a hobby, whatever; but we need to treat one another with mutual respect.

Upper left corner.  Why is the technician wearing a mask?  Is she afraid of catching a virus from the robot?  Maybe a computer virus.

... but I get what I think is his viewpoint too, in that he's paying money for an experience, and GFE and escorting just isn't the SAME to him as a real girlfriend, so there are limits to how far he wants to extend his empathy for someone he's paying a fair chunk of money to.

Now, of course, you get better service by being kind and considerate to the customer service person who's rendering it to you, whether that's the person on the phone, the waitress taking orders, or the escort you're spending an hour or three with, so I don't think he's talking about being rude or downright mean. The sense that I get is more like "well, yes, sure, be a human being... but if you're going to work in this industry, do your job well, because I am paying you for it". Which is fine as an attitude, as far as I am concerned... so I don't think he needs to be ripped.

Sure, it's a hard job. It's honestly not for everyone. But I don't think it's wrong for customers to have expectations of service, as long as they aren't unreasonable.

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I think of myself as pretty considerate of a lady's feelings, and think that I've been rewarded for that behavior.  I also agree that it's not the job that every lady is cut out for.

Having started with those premises, a lady that knowingly takes the job has freely signed up for the good and bad of it.  I don't think that too many of us don't hate some part of what we do for a living.  That's not meant to compare...but simply to state that all jobs have a downside.

Treat people you deal with fairly, and you'll be treated fairly in return.  Feel bad for people who are in a bad place, but don't confuse a bad place with the downside of someone's job.

If you could make that kind of money escorting, there would be a massive inflow of beautiful young girls into the hobby. And
why would anyone go into porn where they make nowhere near that from what I've read? Certainly the porn stars turned escorts who charge 1500 and up make nowhere close to this figure?

I realize you said "some" and I guess its possible that there may be someone who did that well maybe one year but I doubt it. She would have to be gorgeous, have a great rep, and be lucky.

I mean, if this is true, talk about "the happy hooker." I think you are way off.  

Of course I have zero facts on any this so I could be wrong, but it just defies common sense.

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Keep in mind, the lady would need to work pretty consistently.  About 4 appointments/day @ $500/hr would get you to that number working 5 days/week, and 50 weeks/yr.

I'm not sure how long a lady could last at that pace, but keep in mind that these numbers are gross earnings.  Presumably, she's gonna give uncle sammie his cut, and have other expenses to offset the earnings.  Still not a bad year financially, but I think that most ladies would suffer at a pace like that.

from what I’ve read about sex, there’s a lot of friction involved. So I would think that the tender parts of the female anatomy would be too sore to handle four appointments a day, five days a week, and 50 weeks a year. In fact, I think your break down of the numbers shows how implausible reaching that figure would be.

And don’t forget the supply side of the equation. You would need 20 appointments a week 50 weeks of the year. Given the vast number of competitors competing for those same appointments, the lady would have to be special to command this much desire.

Of course, the last time I posted about the economics of the hobby there was universal agreement that I was wrong.

I just love ( NOT ) how so many think they are hooker math experts ....... Well she makes in two hours XYZ, times 2-5 per day times 30 days, times 12 months and all this is tax free ……....

Umm sorry news flash but your math is wrong.
We don't work 24/7/365.

BTW,Our income comes along with many expenses that women don't have in other jobs.
I won't post a list,because then this post will be way too long

For the record a smart lady will pay her taxes....... all taxes.
Why ?? Seriously you even have to ask why ??

Not sure why your trying to do the math of escorts bank accounts ........

but with that said I do try to be on top of my game 100% when I choose to provide.
If I am too tired, or not in the mood then I won't book an appointment.
Just as in many other jobs people can't bring their personal life and personal problems to work,an escort shouldn't either.

Yes,providers are human and have needs.They need their rest, have private lives of their own,............reason why we don't work 24/7/365
making 500K/yr

I bet the Japanese robot could make that much.  She would not have the problems associated with the living, ie. stress, family problems and of course friction.  Although it appears that she does require dental work.

Let me start by saying that I commute to Las Vegas from San Luis Obispo for the Meet & Greets because I find a sense of community among many of the guys and gals who post on this board. I feel that I have made some real friends in this community since my wife's death from cancer in January 2007.

That sense of community is important to me, but it is not important to everyone. Even for those guys who are looking only for a momentary fling, I don't think the words, "I pay them to leave" are anything more than a joke. Literally, I think they just mean that no emotional connection is expected or wanted after the evening is over. The guy who says this is looking for sex without entanglement, responsibility, or further contact from the lady.

Alas, what is expected from you is probably different with every potential client. Screen well. Be yourself. Try to pick guys who have expectations similar to your own. (And remember that free advice is worth what you paid for it. )


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Funny shit. This guy really needs a hobbyist to help him out with her programming.

Indeed, friction could be a "sticking point", but I think that the constant running and late nights would take more of a toll.  Additionally, I'm guessing that all 4 of each evening's companions wouldn't be total gentlemen.  So, I do see plenty of downside.

Even so, I don't see a problem for any of the top rated ladies here getting requests in that volume.