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Re: THE LAWS !!!!!
CarlyCrawford See my TER Reviews 1459 reads
posted
1 / 10
"Operation Flea Collar"

So With all this LE, Pimp, Agency talk I am really surprised no one has referenced "Operation Flea Collar" which was a 2 year sting operation aimed at a "Doggy themed" site similar to TER (get it Doggy.... flea collar... Who says the federal government doesn't have a sense of humor?? lol). I actually wrote a kick-ass paper on this topic for one of my classes that I would love to include but sadly because it was published (op-ed) in a field related magazine I can't.... or all of you would then know my real name so the link below will have to do...

http://adultinternetlaw.com/articles/police_investigation.php

"The above compilation of information is an educational example of how authorities investigated an adult oriented site. Of particular interest is the fact that the authorities took two years to conduct the investigation and did so at a significant expense. Further, Webmasters must realize that it is not illegal for police to become a member of your site for the purpose of investigating the site. Statements on various warning pages and terms and conditions that include "you are not a police authority" language are not an effective means for keeping authorities out of your site.  

As has been previously reported by multiple sources, the Justice Department has been "ramping up" its effort to investigate the adult online industry. In light of the above situation, the anticipated investigations could take some time. Regardless, investigations are undoubtedly underway and it is important that Webmasters make sure they are in compliance with relevant regulations. Is the sky falling? If you fail to acknowledge the changing landscape of the online adult industry, it may be."

Now this article doesn't go into the eventual outcome of "Operation Flea Collar" but do some research and it's easy to find. Or there is a great book called Prostitution and Sex Work written by Melissa Hope Ditmore that mentions the outcome of all that investigating:

 http://books.google.com/books?id=d1Qx3qqRE3kC&lpg=PA147&ots=hJ40sAZ4IA&dq=operation%20flea%20collar&pg=PA147#v=onepage&q=operation%20flea%20collar&f=false  

Discuss... (In my best "Coffee Talk" voice, lol)

CindySpice See my TER Reviews 935 reads
posted
2 / 10
Discuss ????

m "operation flea collar"  is old old old old old news. ( did I say old enough times ?? LOL LOL )
It is irrelevant to what currently is happening here in Las Vegas  

The fact that LE is crawling all adult sites , we know that . nothing new about that.......so what.
Just recently in Long Island there was a prostitution sting "operation flush the johns" .  
LE  was using BP ........so what . We know they have been having stings for years .

Talk about waste of tax payers money .

Still that doesn't take away from our rights of freedom of speech .  
posting , writing fantasy reviews ........nothing illegal about that.

Check out this article , it explains a lot ;-) ;-) ;-)  

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/10896432/ns/us_news/t/several-comfortable-steps-ahead-law/#.UbipSo75_8s

SO the sky is not falling !!! ;-) ;-)  

BTW incase people who were not around during "operation flea collar" want to know .
I was around . I was on the other site , even still listed.
Nothing happened to me . Nothing happened to anyone I know.

The owner of the site ? did some jail time ( but in the end charges were dismissed )    
sold the site for a lot of money , is retired and living happily ever after .  

Not even relevant to current events.

Moral of the story - for ladies and gents , do good research and you will always be safe.
xoxo CindySpice

Heathergfe See my TER Reviews 1043 reads
posted
3 / 10
Re: Discuss ????

I lived in Tampa at the time. One big mistake was that the owner of the site kept all of the records at his home in Tampa. It is my understanding that TER keeps it's record off-shore.  
Anyway, after Operation Flea Collar things became much easier for us girls in Tampa. New rules were put in place where the LE had to get you on audio/video negotiating services for money. They had learned their lesson about spending tons of money making arrests that they could not make convictions on

InspectorMorse 212 Reviews 779 reads
posted
4 / 10
That brings back memories...

Cindy is right, that case is old.  But, by coincidence, that case happened right when I first moved to Las Vegas and it corresponded with my discovery of escort review sites.  I followed the case closely at the time.

Since we're walking down memory lane, I'll chime in with my opinion.  The current brew ha ha involving Las Vegas agencies/pimps reminds me of the "DD" case in Phoenix a few years back.  High profile agency gets busted in a well publicized LE operation resulting in collateral damage throughout the industry.  

Or what about the much less publicized demise of the "PM" agency in Las Vegas?  That one involved the proprietor of the agency getting in to trouble with those who carry the badge of authority.  At the time it didn't get much talk here on the discussion boards, but was a topic of conversation at meet and greet parties.  At one of those parties I got the inside scoop from one of the providers formerly employed by that agency.  Very interesting stuff.

The lesson in all this?  There has always been, and will always be: providers, hobbyists, and LE.  Sort of a circle of life type of thing.

CindySpice See my TER Reviews 807 reads
posted
5 / 10
THE LAWS !!!!!

ince I do not live in Florida I am not 100% sure of the laws in Florida , BUT ,
I do know Florida's wiretapping law is a two party consent law .
Florida makes it a crime to intercept or record a wire , oral or electronic communication in Florida ,
unless ALL parties to the communication consent.
I think there is an exception if for purpose of criminal activity or as such then it becomes a one party consent law.........although not sure as I haven't studied Florida Laws.

NOW when it comes to Las Vegas , well for some reasons we have a lot of loop holes and grey areas ........maybe because when the Mob was in control of Las Vegas , wiretapping laws were not totally defined as they were in many other US states .  ( this is just my personal theory )  
Ever since the mob has left Las Vegas , no one really took a deeper look into wiretapping laws.

NOW I am not a lawyer ( yet LOL LOL  ;) and unless something has changed  
in Las Vegas laws since the last time I did brush up on the law ( I guess I should take yearly classes , to keep up if any changes ;-) ;-)   )  

Then from my knowledge Las Vegas Nevada is an "all party consent" state.
Every party to a phone conversation ( or any type of recording ) needs to give permission in order for the call to be wiretapped legally.

It's legal for the police to wiretap phones to aid in a certain criminal investigations.
BUT the police is required to follow strict procedural rules such as obtaining a court order before conducting the wiretap. ( unless there's an emergency situation making it impractical to do so )  

NOW , with that said , does LE follow the law ???? well not always ....... check this out -

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/apr/04/law-enforcement-using-cellphones-track-suspe/#axzz2W8oNXNKx

WELL, LE can record illegally whatever they want.
BUT , will it later actually hold up in court is a whole other story .
I'm guessing with a very good lawyer and just the right judge ;-) , probably not OR may depend on the crime.
A serious Felony , maybe .
A misdemeanor ......good luck with that.  
LE is still required to follow the law.
This is part of the reason that many cases get thrown out of court because LE doesn't follow the law.

Last I checked we are not living in a POLICE country or police state ........ well at least not yet LOL LOL LOL LOL
Therefor it is important for every citizen to learn and know their rights and the laws of whatever state they live in.
This way LE can't intimidate you or break the law to trap you ........ because YOU know the law and can stand up for your rights .  

In recent news regarding NSA surveillance capabilities , I don't know why people seemed so shocked that this has been going on.
I mean even before the days of such advanced technology , the days of Hoover and Nixon , wiretapping has been going on.
and just got worst the day Bush signed the Patriot Act.

While I don't live my life worrying or obsessing over the possibility of just an everyday US citizen
being wiretapped or  surveilled........ I have always taken in consideration of - "what if"
and tried as much as possible to reduce any type of invasion of my privacy.
Reason why I don't have a hotmail/yahoo/gmail email accounts.
Don't have facebook , Don't do twitter ....
but really don't need all of that stuff.

While I know I can't 100% protect everything , you can still try as much as you can.
there are many other things I do , but I can't reveal in public all of my secrets ;-) ;-)  

Now adding to my resume ;-) ;-) ;-)  
Attorney CindySpice  LOL LOL LOL LO

marinesgt 44 Reviews 683 reads
posted
6 / 10
Inspector??

Where have you been hiding, it has been a long time no hear?

InspectorMorse 212 Reviews 738 reads
posted
7 / 10
I have been hiding...

In the wine country of Northern California.  Just as you did, I had to leave Las Vegas in order to continue to make a living.  I really miss Las Vegas.

Lovely Lorena See my TER Reviews 679 reads
posted
8 / 10
Come out of hiding.. you are missed eom


END OF MESSAGE

Heathergfe See my TER Reviews 923 reads
posted
9 / 10
Re: THE LAWS !!!!!

Cindy,
I love reading your posts! I was not referring to phone conversations (wire tapping w/o consent). I was talking about actual video surveillance of the encounter. Every girl in Tampa that I know that got busted walked into a hotel room with hidden cameras and a booking station set up in the room next door. When she got to the room they waited until she negotiated her fee for service and then the guys came in from the room next door and had it all on film. They were able to start process on her in that room while the next girl showed up for her appointment and it started over. I even had a friend who was meeting a guy for her second appointment with him. He asked her how much for just a massage and a BJ. She quoted a price. Got a misdemeanor for the  BJ but a felony for the massage. Because in FL it is a felony to do a massage without a licence.  
Anyway, I think wiretapping and video surveillance are two different things and surveillance does hold up in court.  
H  

Posted By: CindySpice
 
 Since I do not live in Florida I am not 100% sure of the laws in Florida , BUT ,  
 I do know Florida's wiretapping law is a two party consent law .  
 Florida makes it a crime to intercept or record a wire , oral or electronic communication in Florida ,  
 unless ALL parties to the communication consent.  
 I think there is an exception if for purpose of criminal activity or as such then it becomes a one party consent law.........although not sure as I haven't studied Florida Laws.  
   
 NOW when it comes to Las Vegas , well for some reasons we have a lot of loop holes and grey areas ........maybe because when the Mob was in control of Las Vegas , wiretapping laws were not totally defined as they were in many other US states .  ( this is just my personal theory )  
 Ever since the mob has left Las Vegas , no one really took a deeper look into wiretapping laws.  
   
 NOW I am not a lawyer ( yet LOL LOL  ;) and unless something has changed  
 in Las Vegas laws since the last time I did brush up on the law ( I guess I should take yearly classes , to keep up if any changes ;-) ;-)   )  
   
 Then from my knowledge Las Vegas Nevada is an "all party consent" state.  
 Every party to a phone conversation ( or any type of recording ) needs to give permission in order for the call to be wiretapped legally.  
   
 It's legal for the police to wiretap phones to aid in a certain criminal investigations.  
 BUT the police is required to follow strict procedural rules such as obtaining a court order before conducting the wiretap. ( unless there's an emergency situation making it impractical to do so )  
   
 NOW , with that said , does LE follow the law ???? well not always ....... check this out -  
   
 http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/apr/04/law-enforcement-using-cellphones-track-suspe/#axzz2W8oNXNKx  
   
 WELL, LE can record illegally whatever they want.  
 BUT , will it later actually hold up in court is a whole other story .  
 I'm guessing with a very good lawyer and just the right judge ;-) , probably not OR may depend on the crime.  
 A serious Felony , maybe .  
 A misdemeanor ......good luck with that.  
 LE is still required to follow the law.  
 This is part of the reason that many cases get thrown out of court because LE doesn't follow the law.  
   
 Last I checked we are not living in a POLICE country or police state ........ well at least not yet LOL LOL LOL LOL  
 Therefor it is important for every citizen to learn and know their rights and the laws of whatever state they live in.  
 This way LE can't intimidate you or break the law to trap you ........ because YOU know the law and can stand up for your rights .  
   
 In recent news regarding NSA surveillance capabilities , I don't know why people seemed so shocked that this has been going on.  
 I mean even before the days of such advanced technology , the days of Hoover and Nixon , wiretapping has been going on.  
 and just got worst the day Bush signed the Patriot Act.  
   
 While I don't live my life worrying or obsessing over the possibility of just an everyday US citizen  
 being wiretapped or  surveilled........ I have always taken in consideration of - "what if"  
 and tried as much as possible to reduce any type of invasion of my privacy.  
 Reason why I don't have a hotmail/yahoo/gmail email accounts.  
 Don't have facebook , Don't do twitter ....  
 but really don't need all of that stuff.  
   
 While I know I can't 100% protect everything , you can still try as much as you can.  
 there are many other things I do , but I can't reveal in public all of my secrets ;-) ;-)  
   
 Now adding to my resume ;-) ;-) ;-)  
 Attorney CindySpice  LOL LOL LOL LOL    
 

CindySpice See my TER Reviews 669 reads
posted
10 / 10
Re: THE LAWS !!!!!

Glad you enjoy my posts , Thanks for your compliment .

I understood you were talking about video surveillance of the encounter.
What I was wondering is in Florida did LE get a court order to do that ? , or do they even need a court order to video the encounter.

Since laws are different from state to state , I just know that in Las Vegas if LE records anything  
doesn't matter if it audio or video ( as in video surveillance of the encounter )  if they don't have a court order it is illegal for them to make the recording..........regardless the type of recording, it is the same.  
And if LE does record illegally, ( wiretapping or video surveillance )   then it won't hold up in court.
Again I am talking about Las Vegas and Nevada laws.  

In Las Vegas Nevada it is also illegal to practice , massage  or any type of body work , ( even reflexology ) with out a license. And if LE is able to pin it as "practicing medicine without a license"
Then the charge becomes a Felony.

I have noticed that Florida is one of the strictest states when it comes to most any type of laws.
from DUI , to dog bite law,  to just about anything........except gun laws LOL LOL LOL

I love Florida , but damm what a strict state .  
xoxo CindySpice    

 

 
 
Posted By: Heathergfe
Cindy,  
 I love reading your posts! I was not referring to phone conversations (wire tapping w/o consent). I was talking about actual video surveillance of the encounter. Every girl in Tampa that I know that got busted walked into a hotel room with hidden cameras and a booking station set up in the room next door. When she got to the room they waited until she negotiated her fee for service and then the guys came in from the room next door and had it all on film. They were able to start process on her in that room while the next girl showed up for her appointment and it started over. I even had a friend who was meeting a guy for her second appointment with him. He asked her how much for just a massage and a BJ. She quoted a price. Got a misdemeanor for the  BJ but a felony for the massage. Because in FL it is a felony to do a massage without a licence.  
 Anyway, I think wiretapping and video surveillance are two different things and surveillance does hold up in court.  
 H    
 

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