I‘ve made an arrangement with an UTR lady that I’ve been seeing, quite often, for about 2 years. I travel to several cities for business and have confined my P4P to those cities. LV is the city I visit most often so I thought I would throw the idea out here also. ( The UTR lady is not in LV) My UTR friend suggested I increase my usual one hour visit to two hours and we would contribute her normal two hour fee to a worthy charity before Christmas. To insure that the contribution was made we agreed that I would get a money order, made out to the charity and drop it in the mail together. Now this should be someone that I had on my bucket list, so just like the ladies, I would have the option of not participating depending on who, if anyone, wanted to play. Right now my schedule will bring me to LV on Nov. 29-Dec. 1st. During the day on 12/1 looks like the best for me. To further complicate things, on this trip incall would work the best but perhaps we can work this out. If this should happen I wouldn’t disclose the lady involved or write a review unless she asked me to. If she wants the world ( at least the TER world) to know about her good deeds on behalf of the charity, I would be more than happy to share the news. I don’t expect any of the ladies to respond on this board so PM me if you have any interest. Please let me know by 11/25 if you are interested  so I can confirm and work out the details with you.
OK, I have my asbestos suit on incase I’ve crossed some line that I’m unaware of.

Your idea is to have a lady book a two hour session with you for which YOU will make a contribution of HER fee to a charity of her choice. So YOU get a two hour session and a charitable contribution deduction and SHE gets what?

Laid!!    plus the satisfaction of spreading good cheer for a worthwhile cause this Holiday Season.  It's a cool idea.  I would hope some of the LV Vixens agree!  

Don't be a SCROOGE, pressure!!

The lady is free to spread her own good will anytime to a charity of her choice.

Let me start off by saying that I am a believer in giving Charity all year round.
Charities need money all year round , not just around the holidays.
why is it only around the holidays people remember to give ??

With that said , since I run my business as a "real business" ( well it is a real business LOL LOL )
I pay taxes in full .
Yes Uncle Sam is my pimp.
He doesn't care how I make my money as long as I pay my taxes.

As a tax paying citizen , I get to make charity contributions all year round.
Yes I get a tax write off for it. That is the win win for me.
I get to help others all year round , and I get to pay the IRS a bit less.

So what you are suggesting is that-  YOU get a FREE two hour session and a charitable contribution deduction.
And I get to declare money I never actually made ,pay the IRS more and spread good cheer .....
Although I already do that year round.  

Ummmmm, Sorry if I wanted to get laid for free I can walk into any bar or club
and pick out whoever I want.

Just saying .........
but good luck with that
xoxo CindySpice  

Hmmm...maybe the lady gets her one hour fee, then the difference between two and one hour is donated to charity.  Only question is who gets the tax deduction. Still seems the only one out of pocket is the lady. How about 3 hour session price point, 2 hour date and everything over one hour price is donated to charity. Or better yet, call Nikki and bring her some cans of food--that's a smokin deal!

with all the ladies.  If you normally book a one-hour session, you book a two-hour session, pay the lady her normal hourly rate for the two hours, then you donate an extra hour the charity of your choice.  In other words, if the fee were $500 per, she gets $1,000 for her two hours, then you donate  $500 to the charity of HER choice.  You could still go drop it in the mail together.  That way she gets some extra holiday money, you get laid, and the charity gets some money.  

Now that's a WIN, WIN, WIN isn't it Cindy???

I agree with everything you said Cindy, but not ALL ladies run their business like you do and I know not all pay all of their taxes. Also at my age  (68) I doubt I'll have any more pops in two hours than one. It will give us a chance to relate a little and the lady will be helping a charity that she chooses and isn't this similar to what you do? You have a session for 1,000 and then YOU make a contribution to your charity for 1,000, haven't you just done a free session. Just thinking that's all. And hey if no one cares, no one cares. It appealed to one lady, as a matter of fact it was her idea in the first place, so I'll leave it at that. If no one responds, that's fine, I'll book a session with one of my ATF's that lives in LV and go on my merry way.
No intent to rub anyone the wrong way, just rub them in the right way.
No harm, no foul. Be safe- be happy.  

-- Modified on 11/19/2011 8:32:15 AM

and doing work for Ronald McDonald House, which is where I was donating all of the things I collected at the time, I had a client pay me my fee AND give me $1000 for the charity which he could write off. We both won. He wasn't even a regular, I only met him that one time, but I won't ever forget his generosity.

I don't understand why it couldn't be 50/50. Why is it that the women are doing this for free again? I guess I missed that point. There are a lot of ways to give to charity where all parties benefit.

And, yes, you could see me, bring me canned goods (or dried) and get a discount and everyone wins there!

In the spirit of keeping this board entertaining and amusing.
In the spirit of all the compliments I get from Ladies and Gents ( via email or in person ) of how much they enjoy reading my posts.
In the spirit to educate/enlighten /inform/make aware/teach ......... others such as
Ladies , Gents , Newbies , Those who think they know everything about Hookerland , Pimps and Wannabes ( did I forget anyone ?  

And since I am one of the few that has the courage to say what many many ladies are thinking ........... Well here goes

No sweetie , no harm , no foul . And I am ALWAYS very happy .You can ask anyone I ever met.
I am always asked - how is it possible that you are always happy and in a good mood.
Well , because I am a very happy person. Why ?
Because I have unlocked "the master key" to "the secret" before I even knew what that meant.  

With that said, it doesn't mean that at times certain things don't strike a nerve or annoy me .

Well your post did hit that nerve . And since I am not afraid to express my opinions using my true handle name ( no alias here )
So here we are . See how happy I am ............a bit annoyed but still very happy

OK so where should I start .
Your post in general reminded me of those post from guys asking for discounts .
OR those wanting to take a lady to dinner and a show , then back to the room but only wants to pay for "bedroom time"
Hey why should a guy have to pay to feed you ( after all it will be a 5 star restaurant and he is paying for dinner)  
OR pay for taking you to a concert/show ( Well he paid for the tickets )  
Geez HO , you should be grateful . How dare you ask to get paid for going out to have fun.

Well news flash - Last I checked going out to dinner and a show with out getting paid is called ..............A DATE .
Yep plenty of dating sites out there if I am ( or you are ) looking for free companion.
But you looked for a lady on an ESCORT site.
A site that ladies are on because they are looking to get paid for their companionship and time.
 
So you ( not you literally , any guy who thinks he should be getting more while paying less )  think because you don't have enough money or the ladies donation rate doesn't fit your budget.
You should be getting a discount or a lower rate .
Geez well I don't ask or expect a guy who is richer or has a bigger budget to pay me more ......... why should someone with a smaller budget pay me less.
 
In life in general if you can't afford something , you don't buy it .

Now this brings me to an email I got this week .
I am sharing it cause it is like many types of posts we see -

"I would love to spend minimum of two hours with a nice Lovely classy lady, so I can treat her like a queen at a company of very nice classy Gentelman,
I will be In Vegas 5 nights and I am looking for companion every night.
Since I want to see 5 different ladies my budget for donations is 300 for 2 hours companion with room service Appetizers and Drink of your choice"

Well doesn't that just make me feel so special I get to order any Appetizer and Drink that I like . WOW !

I wonder what they would say to me at the Ferrari dealership if I walked in and offered to pay less then half for the car because I also want to buy myself a Lamborghini ......... but the price tag for
both just doesn't fit my budget ............. but not to worry , I am paying for the gas  LOL LOL LOL

Ok so now back to - "I doubt I'll have any more pops in two hours than one" ........DUDE,  It doesn't matter !!!!!!!.
You are not paying "per pop"  and donations are not MORE  for "more pops"


You are paying for My Time ! and I mean it in the true sense of the meaning TIME  ( not for "legal reasons" ) but for the exact meaning of MY TIME.
Because while you see it as - Well we are just sitting and talking  whats the big deal if I get that for free .
For the escort it is that she is working for "free" .
Her income comes from the TIME she spends with clients , not from "how many times they are going to POP"
and while she is spending "free time" with you, ( again not you literally )  she could be doing a million other things that are just as important ( if not more important )  
OR making money on another date.

Since when are people expected to work for free ??? ( unless it is volunteer work )

I am sure my trainer truly enjoys training me ...........so why should I pay him . That is just absurd , isn't it ?? ( rhetorical question )

 
"You have a session for 1,000 and then YOU make a contribution to your charity for 1,000, haven't you just done a free session."


NOPE I didn't just give a free session .  
I just contributed to my charity , wrote it off and paid less to the IRS .
Basically it means instead of paying more to the IRS , I gave it to charity.............
Sorry sweetie , BIG difference

And to ladies who don't pay taxes , they should rethink what they are doing .
In this  digital , trackable  , computer world.
Where government is doing more and more to be all up in everyones business ........
check out this below link  -- It's funny  LOL LOL but true  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8EjQrrsZIU


Ladies , don't think because you bought money orders with cash to pay your bills that protects you from the IRS ........... but the "paying taxes" is a whole separate discussion.

 
Nikki Irish posted -  "I had a client pay me my fee AND give me $1000 for the charity which he could write off. We both won.
He wasn't even a regular, I only met him that one time, but I won't ever forget his generosity"


NOW that is what I call a true gentleman !!


I am not a bitchy hard ass ho. I am a very cool ho.  
I have given extra time to gents who I felt deserved it from me , not because they expected it,
or because they thought they were doing me some favor.

In all honesty it is quite a turn off when a gent has an approach of  - I want to get as much as possible while paying less as possible.

I know this is getting long but one more annoying thing - So the guy thinks he knows everything about OUR lives and OUR business .
He is calculating how much we make .( come on , you know those type  
Well she makes 1000 per day , works at least 20 days - She makes 20,000 tax free. Damm she should be giving me a discount or hang out for free. She makes more then enough.

I am not up in your business trying to calculate your income , Don't do that to me .
I am not up in your business what you do with your money or what expenses you have .
SO don't be up in my business what I have and what I am doing with my money ( or with money that you THINK I have.)

And don't think it is cute that you think you found a creative way to get a free session or free time *wink wink*

 
SO there, I said it ! Well who else will say it , if not me

From the Very Happy Hooker
Happy Holidays
xoxo CindySpice  

Ms. Spice, let me just say that I am in the group of folks that is a fan of your posts.  Whether you're right or wrong is some of the things you may say, I admire the fact that you're total up front and not ashamed of what you do and who you are.  And if you believe in something, you go with it and don't back down   regardless of others who may try and hate on what you say and call you names (immature by the way).  Unlike some people who posts things on this board, you at least show an ability to articulate your thoughts and at times you are outright hilarious.  Just do you Ms. Thing.

The original poster doesn't know what he's talking about but your response is completely off the meter of the "Full of Shit Detector."

There are plenty of people who from time to time work for "free" or contribute something of value and would like to get paid but don't.  Do you really feel the need to write such a long annoying post (I give you credit for admitting it was annoying) just to admit that you're a selfish ho?  

Please take your meds before posting again.

You are entitled to your opinion of any post, but your harsh words " take your meds" ..."selfish ho",,
were TOTALLY unnecessary!

Ms Spice helps and gives of herself to many, and never asks for nothing!
She is a good contributor to this board, offering helpful advice, and I am sure this post included will be helpful to many.
She says throughout her posts that she isn't targeting the op, just offering advice( SpiceAdvice) for others as well.
But If you don't like her posts, well then, ( this is easy ) DON"T READ THEM!

This is going to be my usual reply so make a drink. MP you may need two!

First and foremost it should be of no concern to anyone what a companion chooses to do with her money. Right, wrong or indifferent she is entitled to spend it anyway the law allows. If she chooses to donate it to a charitable effort well then fine, if she gives it to the guy hanging outside Circle K then fine too. If she buys health insurance and food then that’s not a bad investment either, in my opinion.

However the finer points of the post have me just rolling my eyes. We have so many smart people on this board and on TER that I cannot even begin to see how people have just not said enough of this BS.

The number of companions who report taxes on their revenue via a corporate return is (in my limited experience) a small percentage. As such they have no avenue to take the deduction without getting a receipt in their personal name from the charitable entity. In order to get the receipt the donation must list them personally and they must now disclose that personal information to the OP who got the money order.  This would include the companion’s address for the charity to mail the receipt to.  I guess you could set up some secret manner where the OP gets the money order hands it to the companion; she fills out her part and seals it in the envelope in front of the client without the client seeing what she writes.  But the OP makes no claim as to how to secure the receipt to the companion, so I doubt he thought this far into this foolish idea. Way too risky in my opinion as the OP could just grab the envelope and take it and see who she is.

The numbers of companions that have a Trust that controls an LLC or even a C-Corp so they can remain semi hidden and yet pay taxes are even fewer. Those of us that do set up our businesses this way are subject to taxes on both the corporate and individual returns. Most companions that I know of who have set their businesses up this way keep that portion invisible to the client. The client usually has no idea how we handle our financial business. I have worked with a few companions who use this business model, and universally we need the deduction on our personal returns. I will not go into why. The bottom line is we often don’t want the client to know anything personal about us. That includes our business entity.

I think that what I am trying to point out is that I really don't know any companion willing to give the OP or any client their personal information so that the deduction can be taken. If they have a Corporation, or a Trust Managed LLC to report revenue I still doubt many of those few would be willing to disclose it. There are a few I know who have no issue with it I am sure, but I would not.

I just think the whole thread is full of holes from a technical point of view. From a philosophic point of view I will hold my tongue. The intent is perhaps valid, the follow through and risk is too much for many of us.

Happy Holidays to all.

1. You compare my post to those asking for discounts. ........I didn't, never have and won't ask for a discount. If you read my post you will see I was ASKED to make a donation EQUAL to her two hour rate even though I've only signed up for one hour dates in the past and perhaps this wasn't clear but she wanted me to make a donation of the whole two rate to HER charity. I chose to put it in the envelope and mail it to make sure it did go to a charity rather than her FORGETTING to mail it. I also offered to let her keep the copy for her records so she could use the tax deduction.
2.You make reference to being proud of not using an alais and gee it seems I did the same, maybe I should shout that from the roof tops also.
3.  Your reference "the guy thinks he knows everything about OUR lives and OUR business. He is calculating how much we make" .....................WHAT, WHERE did I make any reference to this please point it out so I can take it back or if I didn't make that claim YOU could!!!
4.  Now I know this point will make you happy ( and their was never any intent to make ANYONE unhappy) I won't be responding to this post anymore but I will respond back to the three ladies ( so far)that PM me about this.

-- Modified on 11/20/2011 1:45:29 PM

...as I read the OP, it didn't seem to me there was anything stated about the tax deduction.  IMO, and as Reagan well stated, dealing with the tax deduction benefit is simply way too much of a burden than it's worth.  {I'll take this opportunity to put in my unshameless plug for a complete overhaul of our tax structure and implement the Fair Tax!! }  

I also understand the lovely Dr. Spice's position. I agree we all need to support charities throughout the year; but the fact is the Holiday Season generally get's the greatest attention.  As I recall, once upon a time it used to be a regular event in the LV Hobby community to have a toy drive, not so?  

The OP recognized this proposal would likely be controversial.....good call!  LOL  But it obviously worked out between him and his ATF.  So he stuck his toe into the water to test the temperature in Vegas.  No harm, No Foul!  

Happy Holidays To All!

Why would you put any effort into responding to this post, and yes I am aware that I by posting I am also wasting my own time, so nobody needs to point that out.

But posting gives me a nice lead into my own point.  Anyone that likes to give to charity should investigate where the money goes.  You can check out financial information online at guidestar.org to make sure the charity isn’t a bloated bureaucracy.  You will not believe the administrative costs  and salaries some of these charities incur.  

No he did not mention it, YOU are exactly correct. I assumed and now I guess I have to apologize that I assumed wrong. I just figured he was offering SOMETHING for the companion. I mean the minimum would have been the tax deduction. I assumed that the INTENT was there, but your correct its not implied.

REPOST......... you expect for a companion to provide not one but TWO hours of her skills to you for NOTHING, no tax deduction no nothing? Keep in mind you get a companion buffet for two hours and the ability to write a undeniable review no matter what she says. I say its a nobel contribution for anyone willing to give to both the charity and you. Because your the only ones gaining anything in this transaction.

Sorry OD, my apologies for trying to read through the lines.

Blah this is silly

How about this:

A gentlemen picks the lady of his chosing and sees her for one hour  but pays for two hours.
So the gent pays for two hours , but he only spends one hour with her and the provider donates the money of the second hour he would pay for to the Charity of his choice.

If the OP wants to make a donation then make it yourself and keep the hobby out of it.

As for the providers, what a bunch of bullshit excuses for not contributing to charity.  Instead of spending so much of your time with convoluted excuses just step and and say you're not interested.  

Who needs all these fucked up excuses?  I personally don't care if you do or don't contribute a penny but it pisses me off when you dream up these long drawn out excuses and think that everyone reading your explanations will actually believe them.  Just say what you really mean, "I'm not interested" and stop the lame attempts at prostitute economics 101.

I'm sorry this is not on a level that you can comprehend.

I don't hate women or others.  I hate the lying, excuses, and constant bullshit that some keep shoveling out and others lap up because they don't understand what 's really going on.  

I suggest you go back and re-read the thread.  I wasn't even going to participate until I read an absolutely ridiculous post with more excuses than a politician about why a certain provider can't and won't contribute.  And this was posted like she's some sort of college professor lecturing the rest of us at provider college.  And most of what she says is absolute bullshit.  And if you have half a brain you'll realize it even though she doesn't.

I call bullshit on the bullshit.  That's all it's about.

Calling BS on you. Why hide behind an alias?

Maybe I didn't make it clear enough in my post ( sorry if I didn't )
but if you re-read my post , you will notice that I was talking about a few different things ,
( like the email I received )  not just about things you ( OP )  said.

I didn't say you ( OP ) asked for a discount . I said your post hit a nerve and that your post in general reminded me of .......
and it got me to make my post about a few others things...........not just about things you posted about.

and BTW I don't know about you, ( OP )  but in this digital computer advanced world I don't know of many that actually MAIL anything.
When I make a contribution to a charity I do it online and always make sure it isn't a charity with a bloated bureaucracy.
So no one can ever FORGET to mail anything. and my money is going to help people that really need help........not pay someones salary.

No one said you used an alias . As I mentioned my post was not just an answer to YOU.
The alias comment was for those who use Aliases .......... and as you see , Aliases were used .
That part was for them

MY reference "the guy thinks he knows everything about our lives and our business " ....... Again that wasn't about you. It was a general statement about a general type of guy.
I apologize if I didn't make it clear enough ,( didn't I )  that wasn't about you .
It was about the context of my post.

No need to take anything personally. It is just an opinion of things from the Ho's point of view .
Ho Ho Ho,  Have a Merry Christmas
xoxo CindySpice
 

THANK YOU ! As you know,  always doing my Ms. Thing  LOL LOL LOL

xoxo CindySpice

You are of course, entitled to your opinion.  As is anybody else that comments.

However, when u use an alias, it makes your opinion worthless.  I don't agree with your statement but you have the right to post it.  You gave up that right when you don't post who u are.

Just what are you afraid of?

Bond

That's what I am saying !
The only BS I see here is name calling while using an Alias.

I already told you Mr. Alias, last time ( on another thread ) I already know who you are.
So just man up !! If you have something to say here be a man and use your REAL handle name.
Or continue to do what you do .But just know all it does is make you look childish and immature.
But hey ,if that's what helps you get through the day and sleep better at night, well then go for it.

Now I will go take my meds ........asprin LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Happy Holidays
xoxo CindySpice


 

LOL LOL LOL
I guess it takes all kind to make the world go round

Maybe the alias has "pussy envy"
or I hope he isn't letting someone else post using his aliases.

Either way , people here are smart enough to figure out the BS.
I personally find it quite flattering that someone would take the time trying to make me look bad ( or think they are making me look bad ) every time I make a post.

Or maybe the truth just hurts ! *wink wink*

Either way, I am still a Very Happy Hooker
xoxo CindySpice

I have a news alert for you.  TER allows the use of an alias.  There are reasons why they have this policy.  

If you understood why the policy was adopted then you wouldn't be asking this question.  But I'll help by giving you a hint . . . why are alias reviews allowed?

So as long as an alias is allowed I'll use it whenever I like.  Oh, and BTW, believe whatever you want about all the bullshit in the posts above.

Cindy -

I'm not picking on you nor am I trying to make you look bad.  I'm just sick and tired of you constantly lecturing everyone about how difficult it is to be a provider.

A few weeks ago you posted some absurd statements that were totally false about economics, etc.  No one here gives a shit about how expensive it is for you to place ads, get made up for date, or do anything that you do related to this business especially when you are working in an illegal cash only business.  

Just think about it. The people who pay to see you live in a different world. They don't need to be lectured about your trials and tribulations.  

Your concept about business is absurd because you don't live in a normal business world.  Your world has few rules.  Everything is done as you wish.  All you have to do is fuck a bunch of losers.  Don't get me wrong, I couldn't do what you do even if I was able to.  But please stop the Provider 101 lectures- they're more than annoying.

As long as you continue to post that kind of garbage I'm going to continue to respond.

WOW , Did you just call my clients - A bunch of losers ??
Well that is very nice and sweet of you ......... NOT .

Keep it up , your just the one who is looking bad.

and BTW if my posts annoy you ...... Then you don't have to read them.

As long as I keep getting compliments and thank you's  from Ladies and Gents
how much my posts has helped them, and how my posts add a smile to their day,.....
well then I will keep posting.

Oh and I see you finally figured out how to get off the poster list ........Although a day too late.

but wishing you all the best
xoxo CindySpice

 

Think Ill stay away from vegas for a while, too intense here lol

You are ringing the "douche bag" detector.  Once again, we have a perfect example of a know-it-all in the ho world.  

Get lost.  

Take any kind of medication before you post again jackass.

Ashley Jade

And you are a prostitute speaking from experience?

Alias using chickenshit!

Amen!!