Since truth about "the group" come out, what is next?
Is ter knows what is going on? It should be at least investigated
for community safety. I just read a post about cameras (see posts below). WTF!
P411 should be notifyed too. If ter keeping these girls's reviews everybody
should know about what's happening (pimp situation).  
Manipulation of reviews, switching girls in a last moment, cameras and ect.
Don't you think it should be stopped?

The camera thing is really fucked up. People use incall for discretion. Now your business is probably on some porn site. This is why we can't have nice things.

Just hope for the best, remember, girl is upset right now...
It might be not THAT bad!  

I don't see girls in "the group" but every thing this "group" is allegedly doing has been done many times over and over again and often by escorts who you likely think are above board. Cameras, recordings, bait and switch, sharing your supposed confidential information and so on.

More girls in vegas have "pimps" than those who don't have pimps.  Whether it's the owner of an agency, a casino host, an assistant or some other relationship.  Very few girls in this business have the smarts and ability to become truly independent and those that do have often followed the path above at least in the beginning.

Pimps are successful because guys like you actually think this is a reputable business and trust everything you hear.  Let's face it, you don't even know whose on the other end of the email.

If pimping was eliminated in vegas the town would become a bible camp.

"Very few girls in this business have the smarts and ability to become truly independent and those that do have often followed the path above at least in the beginning."

I don't think she brought up the cameras because she's upset. This only affects their incall. If she wanted to f with their business out of anger she would have said all the girls have AIDS or some shit like that. Please don't tell me that's the next post coming.

I agree, but she might be smarter then you think,
she figureed out how to get out and got hold of reviews and photos (good for her).
Anyway, do not panic, its been going on for 4-5 years, if photos/videos
was used (made) we would know by now.

1) not all girls are from strip clubs. and i think some girls would say it's easier being an escort than it is being a stripper. at least physically.

who knows what been promissed to them, anyway,
some maybe got paid more, some less.
Girls made tips sometimes, nice dinners, gifts ect.
I don't think they did 3-4 guys a day, this is bs.

After all this stuff on the boards I wanted to say I see no problem with this conversation.  I think in my own humble opinion that this is what TER is for.  I poster made a remark about Madison Malone (I have seen her before) and he was incorrect but others and Madison straighten it out as it should have been.  My problem now is that when I come out again-maybe in the fall, what should I do.  I had a situation a few years ago in NYC.   She was a porn star (no longer working) and when I paid for the hour she starts getting dressed after 20 minutes.  I requested my money back-at least half and in rushed some guys.  I handle myself well and take martial arts but it never came to that.  I don't want to risk my safety if I am at a room with no lobby security and something happens. Not just for my safety but who wants to start drama at a major hotel.  This may be going to far but something I thought about. I want to stick with the lovely ladies I have seen but I like variety.  Another hobbyists-actually a few (in private mail) told me that they have seen these girls before but stopped because of the games. I'll have to think about this one but damn I like coming out to vegas with the fellas for some fun....

i would add to the new crop any girls that the two you mention offer to do duos with. adds like 5 more names to the list. but i dont want to be that guy. someone else can do it.

i'm in the same boat and i go out to vegas like every month from the east coast.

I thought it was time for me to speak for myself. First, I truly am independent. With that being said, do I have friends I enjoy working with? Yes, and I think most of us do.  I have never given anyone 100% of what I make and do not answer to anyone, but myself. I've never offered incall nor will I. I have used bookers at different times in the past, but even then it was the same rate as agencies, never more. I am not a part of the "group" and have never met any girl that has given 100% to anyone. I appreciate those who are concerned for my safety, but I assure you I am safe, I am independent and love what I do.

for a non believer you saw a lot of them

While I don't know you... It seems to me that while your pics and website are similar to those "thought" to be in "the group", your review history is very different.  It is long, and it has a variety of reviewers that have reviewed MANY from MANY locations throughout the nation/world.  That is COMPLETELY different from "The Group"" that has few reviewers, and those they have have reviewed very few (or only that one) , or reviews of ONLY those in "the Group".  

Out of 113 reviews, I saw 3 of the "girls" from that group. One is now an indie, so that now makes it 2. So is that considered alot?  
Dude, don't be a pussy and hide behide a alias. Put you name on it. For all we know you may have seen a few and didn't even know it. Yes you're probably that naive.

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I found it hard to beleive, since you were part of "previos group" too (before pimp get arrested).
The reason your reviews was not taken down then along with everybody else that you just started
and had less the 20 reviews. After posting pictures of you and Madison Cruise together and
promoting doubles I think it is pretty obvious. I noticed you taked them down from your website,
but people remember.  
 

but seriously dude (if you even are a man) you need to get a fucking  clue before running a one person crusade and trying to ruin the livelihoods of some pretty great women.

So just who the fuck are you anyhow?It appears you invented this alias just to run this crusade against these ladies. I can't speak for all the ladies supposedly in this "group" but I can fucking assure you that Harmony is NOT.  She just spent a couple of hours once again with a very good buddy of mine who assures me that not only will he be coming back for more and more, but that he is 1,000% positive that she is independent.

Which brings me back to my original question, just who the fuck are you anyhow, and why don't you have the balls to call out these ladies under your "real" fake name? Why don't you just spare us all some grief and just admit your a fucking pussy without the balls to identify yourself. Now please go fuck off, and do it NOW!!!

and one other thing fuckwad, Thanks a lot for turning the infamous GaGambler into a fucking White Knight for a hooker.  I HATE White Knights, but what I hate worse are cowardly little fuckers like you taking cheap shots at women who are just trying to make a living from behind the safety of an alias, what a cowardly little liar you are.

The funny thing is you do not know if any of these top girls from "the group"
even still active, lol. I had p.m. from a guy who was contantly trying to book
with one of them and they was keep offering "girlfriends" in a last minute.

When you and I agree on anything, THAT is really saying something.

This whole story stinks to high heaven. and if the both of us can agree on anything, it's that these "guys" are full of it.





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It has been brought up that you may not have control of your account, by someone who has credibility in my eyes since her information makes sense and fills in the gaps of my own questioning about the "group".  What especially makes me skeptical is that your ads are always in the exact same format as others who are thought to be part of the "group", and these "group" ads are usually posted together closely timewise, making me think there is someone else pulling the strings.  The same goes for any posts you've made answering ISO's.  Also, knowing that you went UTR for several months (website down, reviews pulled, changed name) at the exact nanosecond the bust happened and several others went UTR, makes my skeptical that you are actually the one who wrote that post. Sorry.

I never said they are all fat or ugly (it was some one else).
I understand that you trying to help these ladies.
Instead of pushing idea of them being independent
why wouldn't you help them to get new websites and photos from diferent
photographer, tell them where to advirtise, how to check references,
drop the old name and reviews completely and start  
from the begining? As long they keep old names and reviews
people will not believe in "independent" story.
If they good they won't have a problem to get new reviews
and be sucsesfull with new identities.
You might say that ter do not allow that, but
I know a few who did it and there are pretty successful.
Good luck to all

I would very much enjoy the company of a fine companion when in town but have never indulged in Sin City because of stories like these.  I think there are as many horror stories as there are successes and those odds aren't good enough for me so I feel bad for those real professionals in LV because I think they lose a lot of business because of this type of crap!

i am really sorry you feel this way...please do not give up on us

It just continues . . . only confirming what I said.  You guys are only hurting the hobby in LV.  I have a trip in May and I am bringing a provider with me so I avoid this drama and potential risk.  I still feel bad for the providers in LV that are truly professional!

cannot blame ya...hope you enjoy the rest of vegas and safe travels to you and your companion

due to flaking first and foremost and given you and other bisexuals double with the group girls your comments leave plenty of wiggle room. Ok so xoxo doesn't give up 100% but does 80% count?
Not according to your comment. And the booker situation is intolerable UNLESS INFORMED THAT COMMUNICATION IS THROUGH A BOOKER or "HELPER"
Even texts were invaded. Who needs it? Not me for one

Or sipping a mojito in some hooch in Costa Rica? And you're right, being a white knight isn't you, you're not good at it.
So your friend saw her and she rocked his world, great... well someone has to see her cause she does have to do her 3-4 clients a day. So I'm not disputing that. Plus it helped that he booked her for a couple of hours, see how a one hour date works and let me know how that works out. And I know that once these girl do show up, that you will have a good time with them. I know, I've seen a couple and I have to admit, they are very good looking but I even got a same day cancel by one. But to call them indies, I mean what do you expect her to say and how do you even ask, I rather ask her her real age.
But the problem isn't with the girls themselves, it's with their booker who over books for these girls and then the NCNS, that's the shits. It's the "fake reviews" that are manufactured at some ridiculous scores per the "groups" lackeys. See if the next time your friends books if there isn't a cancel, it might happen but then again it might not. It' also all the overrated scores that is given out, some true, some not so but that's not my concern, it's that beauty in the eye of the beholder shit.  
No doubt Harmony is real, and she may be great but it's the actual seeing her that's the coin toss, will she show up, or have "car problems". and say "I have a friend" or.....It's Vegas and it's a gamble. You don't have that shit in Costa Rica or wherever the fuck you're at.
When are you going to post your reviews.....just curious as you do talk a good game.

well you have reviewed another one just today so that makes it 3...

posted any reviews since 2009.

The only ones full of shit are you and Laffy. You both talk like big MFuckers on the boards, but still no reviews. Post your numerous reviews then talk shit all you like. FIDIOTS!

I don't agree with at least one of the names you mentioned and without having left a review unless this is your alias, group leader you are FOS and interpreting FICTION

number of reasons, ie read her her fucking biorhythm after she posts "it's her birthday" on Twitter and she never gets a review because she cancels. A lack of a review may mean more than the review you read or rely upon. Furthermore if you cant read between the lines of a review, and I've left a few lacking emotion I don't think you can judge if it's a bad day or a bad idea to see someone.

There are more reviews I did not write than written but who needs to be the bearer of bad news to a lady who only gets 10/10s? Then you get backlash from lame brained providers, pros you want to see but don't appreciate your comments when negative or "too descriptive" hurt the girl's "only source of income" yadayada. Quite frankly most girls are all about theBenjamins despite the closeness we may think we have with a rare few. I doknow a thing or two about the group, firsthand and think they should all be subject to banishment ( unless they make it clear with whom you are communicating and guarantee their showing up )

And it's 3 but you don't know the history so I woudn't jump to anything. And if you want the low down PM me and I'll set you straight.

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Laffy and I are hardly friends, but I at least know for a fact that he is a man, and he is not simply some competing hooker, booker, or pimp with an agenda.

I will stack his credibility and mine against all of you "bitches"

And for the record for those of you relatively new to this board, I used to moderate this very board, if you doubt me do a message search under my handle and you will see my name used to come up in red which only applies to mods.

So when are you cowards going to fess up and admit who you really are?

I do not think it is good idea to let people know it is not
safe to use aliases. I personally want to find a truth, do you think
I should be punished? I only have one ass and I do want to protect it.
People naturally afraid when it comes to pimps, dont you think

and what is this "truth" you seek?

I don't think you are looking for the truth at all, I think you are yet another BSC hooker with an agenda, trying to rile up the stupid people to do your bidding

Well now that you have admitted to being a coward, is it too much to ask that you admit to not even being a "guy" as well?

First the girls are the "victims" virtual sex slaves at the mercy of a ruthless pimp not afraid to use violence. The next minute (sometimes in the very same sentence) these same ladies are the evil perpetrators of B&S, ROB, Review manipulation and what have you.

Are we to believe that these same sad, helpless "stupid hookers" have now added 75 IQ points and are now the ones preying on the hapless members of TER?

But you can add me to your little club on this occasion.

I don't know who are you talking to,
if you talikng to me I never said any of it.
I also never said that GaGambler or Laffy are part of the group or pimps or white knights.
I never said that girls or you are stupid or fat.
Several people express an opinion of the situation.  
It is disscassion board, isn't it?

These aliases are all a bunch of pussies.

but in the case of "justaguy" I am laying odds that "guy" is not a guy at all, but rather a lying, manipulative hooker, trying to  get an unfair advantage over the competition.

Any takers???

I have met harmony, tess, kimmy, krystal, madison, and demi.  

I voted for Obama twice and will vote for Hilary in a heartbeat.  If only to piss of GaGa.

but let's keep the hijacks down to a minimum.

Nothing we say or do here is going to influence the 2016 election, but there is something we can do about a bunch of jealous old bats taking cheap shots at some young hotties who's only crime is being younger and hotter than these OTHFBs. We can argue politics some other time, agreed?

I was with her for a second time in late January and she's great.  I don't know what affiliations she may have and don't care.  What I know is she's insanely hot, sexy as hell and loads of fun.  She's also smart and funny. One of my ATFs for sure.  I don't think she's being used by anyone. I can understand older hookers being jealous of her.  She's one of the most gorgeous creatures I've ever been with

I think I should start a new thread for people to make their guesses as to which old fat broad is posting under the alias "justaguy" and then set a betting line in the morning?

Maybe Harmony, or one of the other hotties being disparaged here would be willing to offer a free or discounted date to the winner of the "Which old fat broad is behind the Justaguy alias" pool??? lmao

Which one of the girls offers incall? AFAIK I was only able to see those girls strictly outcall. How the hell do they take photos of a client at an incall when they don't even offer an incall?  
Looks like the accusations are going really far fetched now.

LV is pretty much outcall only, so WTF? There is a major credibility issue here.

But you can read my review of Demi Drake from last year.  Hope you enjoy it.

So, for all of us who might waste our money on a girl who provided you with poor service and you covered up for her by not posting an honest review? Thanks for nothing.  You are a big part of the problem.

Major credibility issue with the camera story:THEY DON'T OFFER INCALLS!!!  

That they don't offer incalls

I did not vote for him in 92, but there was sol little difference between him and Bob Dole, that I simply voted for split power.

Now to keep this ON TOPIC, I am going to start a pool on which old nasty smelly cunt "justaguy" really is. I made an OP to start a pool, but Admin referred me back to this thread.

Any guesses as to who "justaguy" really is, and does ANYBODY believe that there is even the slightest chance that "she" is a guy?

turns pegging each other. You two are the no review teabaggers.

at the end of "her" post she says to "like" her post if you agree. There is only one "male" poster with that much estrogen running through his veins, and he is on "time out" Can anyone believe a man wrote to "like" his post??? Not fucking likley.

...so that it would never end! One of the most bizarre threads I've witnessed here in a long time. I think we've been taken over by the Jerry Springer crowd! Wow, guys come out of the woodwork and brag, wag their weinies, call each other names and used veiled threats to elbow their way to the Top Stud position! They're even fantasizing about Hillary!!!  WTF!!!  Too fucking bizarre!!!!  At least Hillary is a half step above Rosie!     Too fucking funny! Why are guys fantasizing about Hillary?! Pretty fuckin' sick if you ask me but, who am I to judge?!  


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But I am sure Harmony and her friends are now rather appreciative of all this free publicity they are getting due to you and your co attackers.

As for you we don't even know if you are a man or a woman, all we know is that you are a coward, but keep it up, I am sure Harmony will be laughing all the way to the bank as you two douche bags keep her dance card full, For every stupid member you chase off, I am sure their are two more to take his place who  would never of even heard of Harmony or her friends if it were not for your smear campaign. Thanks for playing.

Regardless it's obvious that someone is trying to ruin a gal's business by spreading a bunch of bull shit.