If no vaccine comes to fruition or does and is about as effective as the seasonal flu shot and Covid is with us forever like the seasonal flu then how do we proceed

For the most part have been quarantining since mid March since my place of employment closed and has still yet to reopen - furloughed till further notice

Taking as many precautions as deemed necessary whenever I venture out

We all gotta go sometime just don't want to accelerate the process for myself or anybody else if I can help it

Whether you believe it is real or not this has affected everybody one way or another

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I take Covid-19 seriously.  It is the over hyped press coverage and the hot air politicians I do NOT take seriously.

I believe the country should reopen.  If anyone feels they must, they are free to stay home, wear a mask and take any other precautions.  People lose their lives in automobile accidents, so why not ban automobiles.  Every thing is a calculated risk.  People should be allowed how to live their lives.  The government should not be dictating which businesses should open, which sporting events should be cancelled, prohibiting people from peaceably assembling (a right granted by the U. S. Constitution) and limiting attendance at religious institutions (free exercise of ones chosen religion is granted by the U. S. Constitution).

Stay safe and stay healthy.

I do believe that with all the pressure to come up with one that a vaccine will be on the market if not by the end of this year, it will be no later than early next year before a vaccine becomes available. That said, I have SERIOUS doubts that it will be both safe and effective, it takes ten years or more to determine if a vaccine is safe, and as for effectiveness I need only agree with you about the seasonal flu shots that people have been taking for decades and yet the flu still infects millions of people every year.

 
Personally, I think this virus is just going to have to work it's way through the population until there is no more "fresh meat" for it to infect at which point it will probably fade away like the Spanish flu of a century ago. With those assumptions in mind, my hope is that an effective treatment/s will be found making the disease less deadly. Personally I believe the CDC when they say the total number of cases are at least 10 times the official count, which makes the fatality rate "only" a fraction of one percent, but even at that low rate with over 7 BILLION people on the planet if half the world gets it and even one tenth of one percent die from it that is still a HUGE number of deaths, we are talking about millions of lives lost.  

 
I don't have any particular fear of catching/dying from COVID personally, but even a callous motherfucker like me can't ignore the possibility/probability of millions of people dying, so it is my sincere hope that they come up with an effective treatment so we can learn to live with this disease unless and until a REAL solution is found.

 
Please keep in mind that millions of people already die from the side effects of poverty, shutting down the planet will only mean that more people die of starvation, or other diseases brought on by extreme poverty than will die from COVID itself.

Sorry to hear about the furlough situation. That cannot be fun.

I generally agree with GaG on the bit about a vaccine. We do keep getting good news on treatment development so that is a plus.

We probably will not know what the seasonal look will be until next year (not the 20 - 21 winter but 21 - 22 season) as we still have too much spread now.

But from what I've heard from people that seem to have a clue, generally the evolutionary path for a virus tents toward more mild. Also, as more and more people contract the infection and recover the ability to spread is limited. We need to find out just why type of immunity having gotten the infection produces in people. There is good reason to think that it will be like other coronavirus infections and immunity is produced by having the antibodies. Not permanent but I think that is due to mutation rather than losing the antibodies or them becoming ineffective.

I've recently been wondering about the relative situations in various places and that that means. Everyone is saying the USA is in a bad place. In a lot of ways I agree -- we really should have been able to handle the situation a lot better than we did if we want to keep claiming we're such a great country and world leader. However, thinking about next year and the year after, assuming we don't have a good, safe, effect vaccine for the world, it may be the case that the countries looking the worst today will end up being in better shape next year. The countries everyone point to as post children for the pandemic may well be forced into greater isolation and restriction on international travel (and perhaps even global trade -- depending on how seriously one might take the claims about the virus on various shipments).

So, while I doubt the new normal is going to look anything like mid 2019 did, 2021 is likely to look better than today. We will have ongoing improvements in treatments that reduce the risk of death and will likely have much less a chance of seeing the type of outbreaks we've seen this year. I suspect things like large, indoors live events are not coming back to the masses anytime soon -- so I expect to see a new normal here that is driven by remote viewing but perhaps with Zoom type conferencing functions (or perhaps VR functions) that allow a group to virtually go see the show together. I also suspect until we can better protect those most at risk from dying things like mask will become a fashion accessory.

I also suspect that for things like dinning out or perhaps even casinos one might see more partitioning of guest, and reduces occupancy (and some changes to the HVAC systems to better control air flow). The same might also occur for big sporting events but suspect that might actually result in too high a price for tickets as a mass market so live events like that will likely become a serious luxury good.

There has been enough discussion on the GD board regarding the ramifications in this world so won't rehash them here.

The whole casino industry got furloughed for the most when casinos shut down in mid March so I'm one of 1000's

Many are still running (restaurants, rooms, occupancy) at 50% capacity so lots of people are still furloughed till business picks up

Palazzo just closed their tower on weekdays but Venetian is fully open so if that is any indication many will probably follow

Still surprised majority of strip hotels haven't waived resort fees to get us locals to visit - a few have under certain stipulations though

Atleast they nixed paid parking but we'll see how long that lasts if/when Raiders play this year

Very interested to see how that plays out

Vegas always seem to come back strong even after 9/11 and 2008 but this is gonna take a while

The new normal doesn't have to be as we should try to make things better than they were some how

I've noticed locals seem to be more compassionate, courteous and generally more cordial so that is a start

The only people that will really struggle will be though who refuse to react to the new environment and stubbornly insist that everything must be as it was before.

It's just an adjustment period in my mind. A very annoying and frustrating adjustment period (and I'm not certain which particular road leads out of the circle we're on right now) but expect to see ongoing progress to something more sensible than the binary shut it all down/open it all up (even in phases) thinking we have today.