will start this off by saying I expect this either not be posted, or edited in great detail.

I’ve been a TER user for about 6 years now.  I’ve never had any problems with my account.  I’ve seen 21 providers total with 9 in Las Vegas. (whitelisted by 4 Las Vegas Providers)  I am not posting this from my normal account as I am no longer a VIP member and have no intention of rejoining or using that account again.

I understand that TER does not want members and providers talking about former providers but every member should know about the current situation I have been pulled into.  I am not sure if many non Las Vegas residents have followed or heard the news of a recent arrest of a high profile Pimp.  The long and short of it is, this so-called Pimp is facing very serious charges and is currently in custody.

How this relates to myself and TER is I met 2 of his providers from TER....where they were listed as independent, had their own personal websites, met reliable members and had only positive reviews....I was in Vegas for a weekend in January and had done my research as I always do.  (I will keep the names private until I am told I can share them)  I filled out the mandatory screening information on her website.  I then received an email and follow up with a phone call.  Everything was normal...I met the provider for an extended session (12hours) good time.  I was then back in Vegas on short notice a month or so later and emailed the provider...she was busy but recommended that I see her friend, she gave me her name.  I looked her up on TER....she also had fabulous reviews....I messaged her on TER account she confirmed she had spoken to the provider and she would be thrilled to see me....also an extended session (12hours) again a good evening.

I had reviewed both providers...and went along with my life.

With everything that I’ve said everyone must be wondering well how does this relate to the PIMP or to TER?  Well Law enforcement (POLICE) contacted me a couple of weeks ago...they had obtained my info from the forms I had filled out on the providers website....which was controlled by the PIMP, as well the PIMP had control of their TER accounts, cell phones and email.  (if this gets posted I will follow up with the info the Police asked me as well as what they wanted)

When I saw the first provider most of our interaction was via text and email.  So when some of our conversations weren’t familiar to her I didn’t think too much of it.....but now I see I should have thought about it longer.  

The question I ask the Las Vegas TER community.....Do you not notice that suddenly 5 or 6 providers have gone MIA????? All of these providers posted on the boards weekly on the Ads Boards and sometimes daily on this board.  All their websites were taken off line simultaneously????  

Also did any of the community know these providers were being controlled by a so called PIMP and being listed as independent??????

I have a lot more to say but I will leave it at that.

I hope everyone gets to read this

I don't post much, but their MIA status was definitely noticed and discussed. I saw two of them myself before they disappeared. I spoke with an unrelated LV provider about it all, and in hindsight, there were definitely some things that "we" had emailed about that they didn't seem to recall. Very scary stuff. Good luck.

Does this deal with 100 Proof or are they safe?

Unrelated. I know nothing about 100 proof. This relates to a group of 5 or 6 girls that all had websites that appeared to be by the same designer. They all appeared in LV and then completely disappeared around the same time. Out of respect for their privacy. TER doesnt allow posts to mention them by name. They offered duos with each other but no one else, and they seemed to offer similar services and rates. An unrelated provider told me that she heard they were all working for a pimp and that all of them got busted... I hope they and their clients don't get in too much trouble, out of both altruistic and selfish motivation.

I think this is the time to post it before your thread is removed. I am sure many hobbyists including myself are interested to know about your conversation with the LE and what they were looking for.

Thanks.

I saw the articles online. It sounds like he had quite a few girls working for him and I hope the one he beat up wasn't one of the 5 or 6 girls that used to be active here on TER. Sounds like a bad situation. From the articles it sounds like some of the girls who worked for him turned against him and went to the police.  

Either way when you look at this and the situation from late 2012 it makes me contemplate giving up the hobby altogether. Things are getting way to crazy.

It was pretty obvious that the close knit group of girls had been busted. (Although no one wanted us to know or think that, so they came up with some bull about them retiring, getting married or being pregnant...LMAO).

All their websites were very similar, their prices were very similar and their services were almost identical. And they would refer one another to their clients.

But Its worrying to hear they were all controlled by a pimp.

I suppose its the risk we all take in this hobby.
You can only take the word of a provider that she is Independent.
After all, its not like a client would ever lie to a provider...LOL.

Cheers.

John

I think the most concerning part about this story is the fact that the group of providers all presented themselves as independents when in actually they were actually under the control of a pimp; especially their communication system.  But then again, in a biz such as this, should any of us really be surprised?  It doesn't exactly lend itself to people being the most upfront about who they are and what their current life situations are about.  

Whatever the story is, I do hope in the end that the providers themselves are OK.

until reality bites you in the ass. I've linked the first thread about this situation, as others have mentioned numerous threads have been removed, due to mentioning of names and initials.

 

could not agree more.......I like everyone else thought they were indies...Saw one of them and she was a real nice girl...I hate to hear, from what I read about, that certain things could have been done to her by her pimp...I definitely will not, like you post said, give up the hobby but will play more safe-whatever that means.....I usually hit vegas from NYC 3 times per year but have not been out since last year.  Per my previous post that was removed I was actually at my PC to book my flight and thought I would check my PM on TER to see if one of the ladies in question had PMed me back when I saw the post about getting married, retiring, etc....Just hope they are all ok....

Addict

We post on these boards to help each other out.....how not letting others know that these providers weren't what they said they were is the issue....I'm surprised other providers didn't speak up. My understanding always was that indies took a lot of pride as well as risk.  

The other issue that everyone hasn't grasped is the fact that we as Hobbyists are often required to give detailed info in screening forms either on websites, texts, emails ect.....For the record I was also a member of a couple of screening sites. I understand the reasoning behind the information gathered.....with that said whats done with that info should be everyone's concern.  

LE got my info from those forms.  

I'm also very curious why indie providers are not speaking up.....you let these pimped out ladies ruin the indie reputation.  

For those who has private messaged me....as I stated I'm not a VIP member any longer so I have no way of reading those messages

" I'm also very curious why indie providers are not speaking up.....you let these pimped out ladies ruin the indie reputation."

HUH ??? speaking up about what ?? WE LET ?? WTF are you talking about ??
I don't know these ladies . I am not friends with them. I wasn't in contact with them.
I didn't LET them do anything.

YOU ( not just YOU , YOU as in any gent here )  didn't pay attention to the signs.  
The signs were all there . You said so yourself.
What cracks me up is when a guy says - but she was real nice , she was so sweet , she is so pretty.......
WTF does that have to do with having a pimp or being part of a prostitution ring.

And even if we had a feeling something was weird about a group of ladies , what were we TRUE INDEPENDENTS  suppose to do ????
Tell gents- hey I think something is up here .... and then come across like some jealous b*itchs ??
Like any gent would have listened to us.
Most don't listen now ....... then after something is too late -  
I hear -  oh you were right , I should have listened to you .  

The point you guys are missing is independent equals only mistermeaner charges .
Pimping , prostitution rings means felony charges . A long LONG  list of felony charges .
Gents want quick , easy roads ....... like I have said many times before , what may seem easier  
quicker isn't always ( if even ever ) the best route to go.  

Gents , need to learn to let go . So you had a favorite . She is gone . Stop trying to PM/email her to find out what happened , where is she ......... You don't know who is now reading those PM's/emails
but you don't ( not talking about OP , talking about those gents who are PM'ing ) think about -
WHAT IF ,........ and you just can't let go ....... then you wonder why you are getting contacted by LE.

Now regarding LE - they are most likely just trying to build a strong case against the pimp to be sure to put him away.
So they call gents to try to get them to testify . More people they have to testify , the better chance to put this guy away .
LE also knows that even though girls he pimped out , turned him in , they still need the girl to testify in court. and many times the girls don't show up . making it harder to have an open and close case.  

My advise to anyone who gets contacted by LE , is to consult first with a lawyer before you talk to LE or make sure to have a lawyer present if you go talk to LE .

No need to freak out about anything . Although it would be wise for anyone who plans to continue to hobby to get new email address ...... AND  in future it is better to really research who you are seeing and make sure the lady is a TRUE independent .........yes that can be done if you can only get past ..... but she is so pretty , I really want to see her. Her reviews are so good ,I just have to see her ...........
If you don't want to step back a minute , to reconsider - ok no matter how pretty or how great , let me try to make sure this is an independent.........then that is on YOU (  OP or any other gent )  
that isn't on US , true independents.

 
There is much more I have to say. But a public board isn't a place to reveal all secrets .....sorry.
but if you start using the big head and always use hypothetical thinking , you can still hobby very safe and secure.

xoxo CindySpice    

 

 

Just curious if you can explain how we can tell if pimped or independent?  I just had an experience with what I thought was an indie, advertised as such.  I was actually planning on seeing her again.  But a couple of small things she said got me thinking.  So I did some searching, and really just accidently came upon different name and some info that makes me suspect her and a couple of other "independents" are together and pimped.   It really has me wondering if there are any true independents, or all just another Vegas illusion/game.  I am not trying to be a smart ass, seriously scratching my head and would appreciate any tips.

Why the hell does it matter if the gal was active here on this forum???    What he purportedly did was reprehensible, PERIOD!!

if I recall well you have seen more than one of those girls..I remember the reviews and your constant posts recommending them to others so stop the bs. also, to enter a secret society you have to provide your real info..and btw no Playboy centerfold will ever see you if you do not provide real info..agency that work with those require everything.

Speak for yourself.

I have given a provider my work details and home details.

Why? Because I have nothing to hide.

Believe it or not, not all men who see providers are married, or in a relationship.

So what if she turns nasty and calls my home. No one here to hear her rant except moi.

So what if she calls my work and tells them I paid to have sex with her. Most of the guys there would pat me on the back and say you lucky sod.

So what if I get married in the future and my wife finds out. What I did before I met her is my business, just as what she did is hers.

So while I understand completely why some guys should never give out personal info, it doesn't mean all of us have to hide in the shadows.

JMO.

John Matthews. ()

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Cindy is spot on as usual but let me add my .02

To the OP I am sorry you were contacted by LE but how dare you come here and expect us providers to get on the board and say some crap like that?So now our business is affected and we look like haters and the warning falls on deaf ears because half of the guys on this board was all up those providers asses.

This is not our responsibility to go around gossiping to other guys about some providers here.
"Oh did you hear so and so has a pimp or is running an agency?"
That is not the problem of the "TRUE INDEPENDENT PROVIDERS OF VEGAS" because we did not shout to the rooftops that something was not adding up.I don't know any of those providers but have heard enough regarding them before and after this whole disappearance thing happened.

I have heard those comments regarding these providers all the way back from last year but it is not my business.It was so easy to see at the very least they were not independent and were being run by agency or a pimp.Anybody that has been in this hobby for a while can sniff out when things are just not all the way kosher.

The red flags were there.Even afterwards guys are emailing and sending pm's to "true indies"asking us what is going on?I mean damn we were here before these providers and are still here it is insulting to the independent providers who have proved themselves to be reliable and none of the red flags so many guys seemed to have encountered.

The guys who saw these providers know what was going on after the fact many have commented to me as they have on the boards something wasn't right.Not remembering conversations saying they are best friends and are doing duos and then learning that the providers indeed never met and were meeting for the first time.That just wasn't enough to get a clue.
If I was a guy I would be worried about my info but you will be surprised how many guys gloss over that important issue and just want to know what happened as you can see by some replies in this thread

ilw don't go there we all remember your posts as well falling over yourself.

Seriously?! You read that to think that I meant anyone other than the girls here from TER can be abused. Some common sense here. Agree with you 100% t is not tolerated at all. Poor wording on my behalf I guess. I called out the 5-6 here as some stated they had personal connections to them. Please do t assume I mean any other women can be beat and abused.  

Agency escorts have and will continue to be advertised as "independents". It's been going on for YEARS. If you can't figure it out when it's happening, it's not the responsibility of indies to let you know and potentially involve themselves in hearsay drama. Just open your eyes..........

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I wonder why three of the girls linked on your web site have the same web designs and two of them have their pictures taken on the floors of an office in a strip mall with a the same blue van in the background.

I think one lesson here is that hobbyists need to do some true due diligence.  I always suspected that the "gang" in question was not truly a bunch of indies--the websites all looked as if they came from the same assembly line, all referred to one another for duos, etc.

I am certain that every provider I've seen has been a true indy; but maybe I've just gotten lucky so far, I sure don't want to make this sound like a brag, and bring on the bad karma.

One thing that "true indies" could do that would help us clients out:  More frequent M&Gs.  I'm assuming that true indies know who else is for real and who isn't.  Us guys may be stupid, but we're not THAT stupid.  If certain providers are continual no-shows, we will figure it out eventually.  I know that M&Gs have their own issues, and the "clique-ishness" of certain networks of providers can sometimes make organizing these parties difficult--but it is a valuable tool for the guys.  I hope the ladies who "have nothing to hide" might make a bit more of an effort to make these happen going forward.

Re clients somehow being able to hobby without disclosing their personal info:  ok, I admit to total ignorance here; how the hell do you guys manage to do this?  I can't imagine any of the lovely ladies I've seen feeling at ease about meeting me, had I not disclosed my real name, a little bit of my "deal", and a couple of websites where my name/photo are viewable.  At this point, maybe I could do this going forward, by just letting my current friends know that I'm taking on a "stage name" for my hobby activities, so that they'll give an ok reference for me; but all of that just sounds like a lot of bother to me.  Again, maybe I'm being naive here--but I was able to start out hobbying at the very top (seeing the then-#1 rated provider in Vegas) with no references at all--I was honest and forthcoming, and that was enough.  In fact, most providers I see have told me they never bother to check my references; maybe I just present myself well in my intro email or contact questionnaire.  Whatever it is, it's worked for me so far.

But seriously:  How do the guys establish a secret identity that will be fleshed-out enough to satisfy a savvy provider?  I don't get it...

if they were Indy or an Agency? they never ripped off anyone and they all provided great service.

What does it matter if they were Indies or not? I never heard of guys getting ripped off..all guys that saw them had a good time. I am not defending them but does not really matter if they were an agency or Indies because they provided good service. A

site..........exactly the same, verbatim.

sugarandheels: I'm sure you can run your business without the advice of others, but if you're not working under the same management (who was too lazy to write unique content for each of the four sites including yours), I'd reach out to those ladies and tell them to change the text on their sites so it's not the same as yours, and then remove their banner from your links page for blatant plagiarism.....that is of course unless you're working together under the same agency.........then I'd try not to make it so obvious.

-- Modified on 6/9/2013 10:07:48 AM

Exactly....it's as if they didn't even read the thread

I saw one of these ladies early in her LV apperance.  At that time there was only one "friend".  I did not review her and never saw her again and haven't been back to LV.  But she stayed in touch.  Our hometowns were near each other.  It is rather hard for me to believe some one else was corresponding with me.  Nothing was being said that would interest a pimp.  For all I know, she could have been the "ring leader".

I would like to know, "What questions did LE ask you?"  "Where are the articles about these arrests?"  I am not doubting you, I would like more information.

I thought, even if you errased something, the info is still somewhere on the computer's drive.

This thread has gotten totally absurd!  Lots of speculation and innuendos.  And what's up with all the aliases??  Guess it makes it easier to just rant on without any hint of credibility.  JMO!  

Now the subject "pimp" simply used the available "resources" of a close-knit group of ladies for his high-roller action.  That does NOT imply he was involved in any of the "low-roller" action the ladies  took on.  And yea, pretty much dude on here is a low-roller!  Own it!!  That being said, the fact these ladies were able to participate in the extremely lucrative high-roller action, certainly influenced their modus operandi for everyone.   Apparently a few of this pimp's ladies were apparently more traditionally under his control.  From what's been published, this moron was living large.  The reported "torture" he administered to at least one gal was reprehensible...what a scumbag!  

Now none of this has ANYTHING to do with TER!!!  Nada!   And the innuendo that now all Inde's in Vegas have pimps.....Ludicrous!!!   Vegas has one of the closer-knit hobby-communities.  Yes, the landscape has changed a bit over the years.  But have no fear.....as one door closes, another opens.  And you may be surprised to find this has been a cycle that has been on-going for many years.  Nothing that has occurred will impact that.  Yes, it's sad that a few lovelies got caught up in this.  And apparently a hobbyist or two...or maybe more.  I dunno.  It sux.  I have no idea what lies ahead with respect those caught up in this trainwreck, but that scumbag is hopefully being permanently removed from the scene.  And the fall-out in the high-roller scene will be obvious.   As for the impact to us commoners, barely a hic-cup.    

So just STOP with all the wild-ass chest-pounding crap about how "smart" some of you think you are.  I think we all know how truly "open" info is in this digital age.  You really need to be as concerned about the safety of the ladies as you are about your own asses!!  It takes two to tango.......unless you prefer dancing solo!  

Now let's just MOVE ON!!  There's no shortage of reputable ladies in Vegas.  But after reading some of these threads, I fear there's a shortage of reputable clients!!  

Viva Las Vegas!  Cheers!

There is a lot I want to say.  

I will be posting a response tomorrow with all the info people have asked me about as well as a response to the nonsense some individuals have made.  

I will mention that I am an attorney so when LE did call me I had one of my partners who practices criminal law sit in on the call.  

With that said I will leave this thought for everyone to ponder.....do you feel your information is safe when you fill out screening forms on providers websites???? It's not and it can be used against you.

To the OP....I would be interested in seeing your response and details to your LE discussion...I have followed all of these threads since the news of the "pimp" arrest took place in late April. Being a local resident you hear alot more details from hobbying for many, many years. Not sure how you were contacted by LE because I don't believe these girls worked for him.

I cannot speak for all of the 5-6 ladies that used to be on TER and have now disappeared, but I believe the 2 that had been on here the longest didn't even work for the guy that got arrested. They work for a female here in Vegas...this is not widely known but I think many of the locals and Indy ladies on this thread/board know what I am talking about. BTW, I agree with the Indy ladies that even if they had knowledge they couldn't say anthing. As for the remaining girls I assumed they worked for the same female too since those 2 legacy ladies work for this madame. My guess is that the news of this arrest made enough noise that other "pimp" organizations are going dark for an indefinite period of time until things settle down. Could take weeks, months, or even years. The repercussions are already evident in the Vegas nightclubs so I could see where the madame would have them all shut down sites and business. Better safe than sorry. LE and the IRS will be investigating this for quite a while. I know one of the Assitant DA's and he said it could be over sooner versus later. As CincySpice mentioned, they typically need witnesses to testify and the more they have the better the case. But in this case, the "pimp" idiot took on some major crimes and charges with the physical brutality and kidnapping that may make the cases for pandering less of a necessity and he will likely end up getting hit so hard on the major charges that these are not as important. (Not that they won't pursue the charges.)  

Also, in the remote chance I am wrong and they all did get into trouble with LE along with this "pimp" I sincerely wish them the best and maybe that explains how you were contacted by LE. But as someone else stated in an earlier post, the two more familiar legacy ladies work for a madame and not a male pimp. And as another stated...don't be surprised if they appear again once the dust settles. I like the mentality of Ol Desperado...there are many more ladies in Vegas. There are literally hundreds in the city but I like to stick with the TER reviewed ones too. Even if this small sample population didn't work out. Still the safest bet.

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-- Modified on 6/10/2013 10:34:54 PM

Well stated. I agree with you 100% on the high roller impact. I don't think us little fish on TER will see any impact at all. But the millionaire high profile types and other high rollers who played with this guy and his ladies are probably running for cover.  

Also, sorry for the use of an Alias but with a thread riddled with comments on "true identities" I would rather play safe. First the Olympic runner ruins a great agency and now this. But you and others have me convinced, I will keep on playing. I do miss a couple of my old regulars from the agency after she retired. I see some of that stable on TER and doing well as Indy's but i never saw a couple of my favorites there ever come back online independently. But between Vegas and my home in LA there are plenty of other great ladies. Hell...CindySpice should be next call just because I love the way she thinks. Always great comments that are articulate but not offensive.

Play on Ol Des...

I agree with your analysis. Also, having seen 2 of the ladies your referencing and knowing their previous popularity, I find it interesting that no one else has come forward and admitted to having been contacted by LE.

I could not agree more. I kept looking for the reason this thread was titled "Questioning TER" and am still looking for the reason. These people may have listed, posted, etc., on this board but TER had nothing to do with these unfortunate and ugly circumstances. I feel badly for the ladies who were in this monster's clutches and hope HE gets prosecuted to the full extent allowable.

So much for his post for the next day.

Anyway all this is done and over.
Sorry about there luck but there are
Alot more real ladies to still see here.
I dont know about you guys but im over this shit.
Now its time to go see some of the other so many  
Sexy ladies here peace out.

Now this is the reason im in here.
This lady is real and is not scared to be herself.
Thank you sweetheart for not being scared to be your  
Self looking for more of your post.
Good luck and stay safe.

While I am so over this thread too , and I am starting to get a hunch that the OP isn't who he says he is ........ a lawyer ?? really ?? could have fooled me , until he made that post  

anyways I did want to comment on a suggestion made here  

"One thing that "true indies" could do that would help us clients out:  More frequent M&Gs.  I'm assuming that true indies know who else is for real and who isn't.  Us guys may be stupid, but we're not THAT stupid." ..........

Are you FREAKING KIDDING me ?!?!?!?!?!?!?
What does a meet and greet have to do with true independents .
The ladies who pretended to be true independents went to the meet and greets.
OH it is up to us TRUE independents to point things out to you ?? No do not assume we know.
It isn't our place or our job to be up in others peoples business. We are not gossip ho's  
It is your place to pay attention and figure it out.

And issues with Meet and Greets , well here is my main issue with meet and greets ........
just google -  crash Christmas party for hookers, johns
you will see what I am talking about......... just saying

Not to talk about the fact that only 0.000000000000000000001 %  ( not sure I even have enough zeros ) of people who actually read TER even go to the meet and greets ....... so it is not a valuable tool ....... reading my posts can provide way more value and benefits to way more people

I have NOTHING to hide . I don't need to go to a meet and greet to prove it.
Keeping a high outstanding reputation all these years is proof enough.
What about new ladies ? well I once was new too . I didn't build my reputation overnight .
I worked long and hard to build my reputation and still work long and hard to maintain it.
A lady can't expect to build an outstanding reputation overnight.  
She has to work at it , just like all of us true outstanding independents did and still do.

 
BTW ,Nice try trying to get meet and greets going really did you think we were born yesterday ??  LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Or you really thought that is the answer ? ........ok well now you know, it isn't .

So what is the answer ? well you are always welcome to sigh up to my 101 class -  
"what you think you know , but you don't know" ..............*wink wink*  

Special thanks to the gents who expressed here in public support and compliments of my posts and
how much they like what I say and how I say it .  
Also special thanks to gents who have contacted me with their thoughts ........although next time
please email me to my PERSONAL email address , K    

Well , time for some spice time ,  
Till my next post ....... keep having fun , keep safe  
xoxo CindySpic

Thanks sweetheart that was nice to read and always  
Enjoyabl

Like CindySpice I think alot of us are ready to move on. There are still a couple veterans here listed as Indy but they had connections to the 5-6 people who disappeared. Maybe they didn't know these 5-6 ladies were working for a Madame or Pimp either. Guess both clients and providers were fooled. I did a google search for the older and very popular blonde who is no longer associated on this site and was surprised to see the website of a provider here in Vegas show up in the first page of results.  Assume she truly is Indy as she has posts in the last few days but at one time she listed all of those 5-6 women as friends on her website. Since so many people on this thread are "technology experts" you all know that website data can be cached across servers when accessed. So even though this person has removed the names of those 5-6 people from her website, they still show up in the google search for that particular blonde under her website link because that information at one time or another cached/saved to a server somewhere. I would recommend that ANY female who at one point in time mentioned any of those 5-6 ladies in their website work with a web admin to get that cached information removed. Many female providers and male clients were duped not knowing they worked for a Madame and now their names are showing up in google searches tied to these ladies.  

BTW, CindySpice...I think you are right regarding the OP. I highly doubt he received a call from LE.

I'm "pro-M&G".  Been to numerous over the years and not just here in LV.  Now it's important that they be hosted by reputable...well, hmmmmm, ok, COMPETENT individuals.  Screening and discretion are paramount.   Yes, there have been a few isolated incidents.  But I can't recall any in particular here in LV.  Now there was a trainwreck 2 1/2 years ago...but even that didn't really cause any serious outfall.  We've moved on.  

The problem comes when guys mis-interpret a M&G for an Orgy!  In general, M&G's are just casual social gatherings....i,e parties!

But we digress here.....unrelated to the OP's subject.  I dunno if the OP will provide more info....don't particularly care.  I am, however, somewhat amused by the fact he's allegedly an attorney.  Jest sayin'.....

Cheers

Do not worry LovelyLorena is as independent as I am .
Those ladies are not listed on her site  
Yes you can see in cache search their names ....... but that is on her webmaster to remove.
he has been asked to do so long ago , I do not know why it is still there .

Lorena thought they were true independents , and exchanged links as many independent ladies do.

All good , thanks for letting us know it is still there .......cause we have better things to do then check that crap out all day long
xoxo CindySpice

 
 

Joe,  
You claim that "Many female providers and male clients were duped not knowing they worked for a Madame and now their names are showing up in google searches tied to these ladies.".  I think your statement is absolutely false. I would like to see a google search where this is true. This would mean that the Madame and/or ladies stored their client/booking information online and it was index by google. I hardly think that was the case. I think before you go around making recommendations to others, you should really get your facts straight.

You must be new to the hobby. Just about every escort site has a link exchange page. These are design to increase google popularity rankings. I would NOT assume that just because a name or banner appears on another website that they are involved with the Madame or the other ladies. I think that would be a gross assumption.

n past years, we had many Meet and Greets. Prior to the general public, so many fakes (guys and girls), and so many posts. Before cable had 2000 channels... and everyone had public knowledge of where to look for stuff. Most were kinda "Here's a few new UTR girls who are now available". And to catch up with the ones you had maybe not seen in a while. I suspect there is not a lot of long term value to the ladies doing the M&G. Maybe a bit of short term... Don't really know... And the community was so tight, if some stranger showed up (regardless of screening, I am talking faces), they probably didn't get in.  

I found an alternate approach. Works for me. Not always others...

I ask a prospective lady (verfied by research, sites, screenng sites, reading her copy if it is her....)  if she would like to meet my friend Benjamin Franklin for coffee or a drink. She picks the time, mutually agreed to. 15 minutes. If we dig each other, we hold hands and walk away singing kumbaya. If not, no one loses.

The M&G are awesome for chemistry. For seasoned guys, finding a new gem is not always as simple as relying on what someone else has reviewed and judging chemistry. Yea, we have our favorite reviewers with similar tastes.  

One day I hope to meet Cindy. I will, however, ask for a silent session with her. Because my guess is I do not want to miss one delicious minute by talking..

“These were ladies you had exchanged links with and their names and banner were once on your website. It is a known practice on websites, the exchange links with other similar websites to drive up Google rankings. I think it is a huge leap to think that just because you had their name or banner on your website, that you MUST be working for those un-named ladies, Madame or Pimp"

Get a little credibility under your belt (justjoe)and start reviewing and hobbying and some posting that is relevant and not trying to hurt INDEPENDENT ladies like myself. unless you are part of the ladies in question and want to cause problems.. Maybe you could PM the older blonde in question.. It appears she still is Pmng /lurking.. why ? I have no darn clue
ITER is amazing  tool and it was absolutely not their fault that people misrepresented and blatantly pretended to be something they were not..
As Cindy Spice says;  a reputable provider doesn't happen overnight.. we are not in Hollywood.. there is no star is born in this business and us Independants have to maintain our reputation.
thank you for all the support via private channels due to this (hobbyist post)
Just wanted to set the record straight due to the post/and his attempting to question my integrity. I don't have any ties to them. I believed they were independents .. as did we all.. I met at meet n greet in person.. (January)

respectfully,humbly,honestly,and 100 percent Independent always!!
Lorena

Great post. I can see why you and CindySpice get along. You both seem so centered, intelligent, and logical. Now I am not saying others sound dumb, I am simply stating that you two just carry yourselves EXTREMELY well. I think the other hobbyists will echo my thoughts on how sexy that quality is. Too many people post on these boards leaping to conclusions or getting way to emotional. Just reading how you and Cindy respond shows me a super classy and elegant persona. Kind of sexy now that I think of it cause now I imagine how damn sensual you guys must be behind closed doors.  

I am only on an alias due to the nature of the OP but its more than apparent I need to now PM you for a date in the next couple of weeks.  

I kind of feel like the OP and JustJoe were simply trying to ruffle feathers or spark this topic to get more details of the Vegas situation. Either way...ignore them and keep on with the beautiful smile.  

Fellas, am I weird or is anyone else turned in by how how these ladies carry themselves! My god...now I are where you get the name "Lovely". I am gonna go to bed now dreaming of you in the black outfit with the blue shoes. Sexiest outfit I have ever seen on any TER post or a ladies website. Can I request that outfit?! Lol!!!

..yea, you're weird!    

Well, ya asked!!

I know for a fact Cindy is extremely on top of it.. sometimes I need to think twice about something before posting . Being Portuguese  keeps me a lil passionate in my posts sometimes coming across not as well thought out..
a post such as yours helps my confidence on my posting abilities..for that I thank you ..
The rest I will hopefully thank you in person

I do want to add that Cindy is a mentor to me.. A world of knowledge and common sense. Having her in my life is a blessing. I love her.(plus she is phenomenal in other areas ) wink
A man such as yourself providing is another blessing

 
Much gratitude and appreciation  
Lovely Lorena