This is why TER is a great place. The idea of a white list, instead of a black list is a postitive way to help both providers and hobbyists play safe and secure.

As a provider, when someone wants to make an appointment with you, if they have a TER VIP membership you can loook them up on the White List knowing if other providers vouch for them.

This avoids having to call or email another lady and wait for her call or reply. Simple and easy.

I have been waiting for TER to release this for a while and am anxious to see how it works.

TMT  Not on the White List in Seattle

This is a great money maker for TER which I have no problem with ... and an excellent marketing tool for providers (which I have questions about)

First from a Hobbyist point of view ... TMT has Kadi on his white list .. however he hasn't posted a review of her ... Meaning to me that he has seen her socially (which is cool)

Marketing point. TMT has seen Kadi, TMT and I have the same interests maybe I should check out Kadi.

Provider stand point, Kadi knows TMT, but only socially, so what's he really like one on one? and why is Kadi on his list for his or her benefit?

Another exemple Mr. Smarty already has 4 ladies on his white list.  Did he contact these ladies or did they find out about it on their own.

 Again is this a marketing tool for the ladies? Or are the ladies going to vouche for someone being safe. I scratch your back you scratch my back

 Smarty's review of Tasha is 2 years old .. and even though Tasha has tons of reviews I wouldn't have looked in her direction because (1) review is just that two years old and (2) when I scan a girl's reviews I usually never go further than what's posted on the current page.  So if not for appearing on Smarty's white list I may never have known he saw her.

Now that Tasha is on Smarty's white list that peaks my curiousity.  Even though Smarty reviewed Tasha 2 years ago doesn't mean that she isn't his girl friday or is it just that Tasha hasn't seen Smarty for two years now (how am I to know)

What information is a provider going to get from a 2 year old review or from contacting Tasha ... Yes I saw Smarty 2 years ago he was alot of fun.  People can change alot in two years.

I also think that his allows the hobbyist to steer providers in a certain direction when they do their screening (biggest fear) I don't think  Smarty is going to have anyone on his White list that isn't going to speak very highly of him for whatever reason (marketing or safety) so what's the point of a list? A provider can view Smarty's reviews and find out the same info. If she wasn't on his white list the provider might look at all of his reviews and pick someone else.

Sara of Texas asked me for references.  I told her to contact anyone she wanted to. In a phone conversation with her I asked her who she knew in Las Vegas, she asked me if I knew her friend  Logan,  I told Sara that even though I have never met Logan I have been with some of Logan's friends and that she might want to start there.  I also told her that she could always post on the Vegas board and ask an open question, " Hey, I'm seeing Spinner in two weeks is he really the asshole everyone thinks he is or is he safe and fun to be with."  To me this is a much safer approach then using the White list.. your not steering a provider in any paticular direction

At first light I maybe reading way to much into this and this is MHO and 2 1/2 cents worth. Hobby safe, Hobby well, Hobby all you can be ...







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Spinner

Yes I have seen TMT both socially & privately as far as TMT writing a review of our time together he is not allowed to since he is a TER mod. I think the white list works to the gentleman's benefit. It will make it much easier to screen gents I think because if a lady approves someone on the White List he must be an ok guy, right?

Always
Nico Veneta

point .. but there's alot of grey area there, I would hope that all provider's would do more research than taking it for granted that just becuase someone is on the "White list" he must be ok.. What if a hobbyist has 5 or 10 ladies posted on his White List and you don't have a clue as to who they are or all the reviews are old .. do you still feel safe? or are you going to investigate further?...Everyone has their own comfort level .. 10's of 1000's of providers 10's of 1000's different point of views.....

If one provider gets hurt by this ..because she decides not to follow up or becomes a little more lax in her screening process it will be one to many .. again I'm just throwing my take on this ....



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Yes spinner it is just that a starting point. I will still do the same screening that I always do (which I will not get into on the boards for safety reasons)but it does help to look at the ladies he has reviewed to see that they are similar to myself and to also see if there are things that he may like that I am not comfortable with or that I also enjoy.

But all it comes down to is that I have my opinion and you have yours.

when you say "it does help to look at the ladies he has reviewed to see if they are similar to myself ...." you are getting that information from his reviews not from his white list .. so why post a white list .....lol ....

..."Green List" might have been a better name. Green as in "go" or "OK". Like all we need is another "Black vs. White" thing with the former implying "bad" and the latter representing "good". By using green for the list's name, only Martians would have possibly been offended.

BTW, I'm a non-Latino Caucasian guy. So to all you haters out there, please don't jump all over my comment thinking I see racism everywhere because I'm not "white". And don't accuse me of being a "politically correct thug" either. I simply think it's just good sense to be aware of how others might preceive things in order to anticipate potential problems BEFORE they occur (especially when no malace is intended, as here in this particular case).

Regards,
Speed Racer (a beige guy working on his tan who loves women of ALL colors)

I preseume that the ladies initiate the action.  When I looked yesterday, I was in virgin territory.  I'm not sure I wanna be a virgin again, although I'd do a couple things differently if I could re-live my earlier days.

I'm not the type to call a friend and ask to be added; it's just not how I'm wired.  Does that make me less desireable than Smarty?  It's all so confusing.  What's a poor virgin to do?

There you go again making some assumptions.

First of all as Nico has put iy, she HAS seen TMT and you are assuming not.

AS TMT has pointed out, it is a source for screening. Is it the only source? Of course not. Again, as Nico states many of the professionals will do more than look at that white list for their safety of comfort level prior to commiting.

Since you name dropped, what makes you think I only saw the one lady two years ago. Have you ever seen a lady more than once? Have you seen her also socially as well from time to time? Do you keep in touch with many of the ladies you have seen? I would suspect from every posting that we see from you, that you keep in touch with many for long periods of time. That is all a good thing, for you and maybe other providers that may look at your white list.

You right I don't think I would want someone on my white list that is not a great provider, nor would she want to be if she did not like me either. It works both ways. They can also remove themselves some day if opinion changes.

As for the fine lady from the Lone Star, I can assure you she knows many providers and hobbiest alike in Las Vegas. The reasons for the exchange between you and her are personal in nature. Perhaps, and I say this in contrast to your theory, just perhaps had she just seen your long list of Spinner girls on the white list, it may have been a done deal. Maybe not totally, because again she may use many other sources for screening and this is but one.

I will agree with you on one thing. I agree that you are "maybe reading way to much into this"

If I see a lady today or tomorrow, I see nothing wrong either with asking then or maybe later after I come out of the comma, to be on my white list. We all remember the very first time we had an experience with no references. Hard hobby for some to break into, when there is nothing.

Nothing is perfect. Enjoy the ride. Lets revist this when your list grows to 50 on your white list. I want to get your opinion again. Okay

Info & Policies:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/info_policies/whiteListFAQ.asp


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You will have to be a white night or promise to see the provider again. I have seen one instance where a client did not even post a review on the provider and she gave him a referrel.

I don't think you should have to ask or whine about not having any referrels. Just sit back and wait.

This feature is going to have a whole lot of dynamics. I have already seen instances of where there has been some unsolicated contact from providers to a reviewer because he has seen a certain "Popular provider". The provider knows the popular provider has "good screening" techiques. I expect more of the same with unsolicated requests to a potential client with this new feature.

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making assumptions, Again this is MHO, and I will probably be in the minority on this issue (nothing new there) I did drop your name and TMT's becuase at 3 am this morning when I read this you were the only 2 posting about it ... Yes I did mention that you may still be very good friends with Tasha .. And yes as Nico points out she will do more than just look at the White list (Green List) so there's my point why have it? Is it a list to promoting marketing? or is it to promote safety? or both? This is an open forum ... as for me I really don't care if I get anyone on my White List or Not....  

As a matter of fact can you opt out of having a White List, if so I wish to do so right now ..

and If a lady wishes to see me I guess she'll just have to do it the old fashion way and do a little research ....

I would rather have a provider take as much time as she needs to find out about someone then make a mistake and take someone for granted because someone was psoted on somebody's "Rainbow list" and as for your last comment on the pm which you sent me ...  Don't Threaten me .....

Like I posted before the dynamics will be interesting.

Now let’s see, I write a good review about you and you add me to the white list.  Oh – wait you already gave me a discount for a good review – so now I will post nice things on the board and you add me to the white list.  Oh wait, how about I toss a few more dollars to you and ---  ??  All to much work --- Maybe I should just shag the wife-------

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But I need to cogitate more on this. Certainly it facilitates the screening process a little bit, but if I were a provider I wouldn't let it facilitate it too much. Equally certainly, it takes away the age old debate whether providers should offer/inquire about referrals to/from another provider.

As my good friends out at Area 51 note, humans are generally very resistant to change. I'm predicting (without their assistance) that a year from now everyone will see what a great idea it is. I'd suggest to all not to get too anal about this and see how it develops. While this is the TER equivalent of Myspace or Friendster, it really isn't.

There's been enough of those around, lately

If a gentleman chooses not to post reviews in general (and yes there are MANY),  he can still receive provider verification from those providers he has actually seen.  This will suffice as a PORTION of my verification along with a personal reference from 2 independent providers. It really is the same thing as a reference IF the references are actually checked out.

If a gentleman says he is a member of TER I always check that he is but with no reviews it is of very little use as a screening tool. With ladies posting on his "white list" I can contact them about a reference since he chooses not to write reviews.  

It seems to me that it would be of little use to me if the gentleman reviews as I would prefer to read those over the white list.

Just my .02 cents!

Sara

See you in July!

NEW PICS ON MY WEBSITE CUMMING SOON!

I'll do it too...
Here is my post from the general board.  
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I don't know about who one sees, sees socially, or whatnot...and it does seem that the White List, and reviews for that matter aren't gonna tell you that...but in defense of Mr TMT...since he is a Moderator, he isn't allowed to write reviews, so any ladies he has seen since becomeing a moderator, will not have a review from him.

The ideal benefit of the white list might actually come in the form of moderators, and others that don't write reviews for whatever reason, getting a nod from ladies they have seen since they won't have reviews to show they are "OK" clients.

For the guys like you and Mr Smarty, you can have a White List that contains nods from each lady you have reviewed (those that are still working)...but does that actually add anything to you or the lady's credibility?

As to the idea of clients asking to be white Listed...I don't like it, I don't like it any more than I like ladies asking to be reviewed, it puts someone on the spot...like a client that gets asked to reveiw a lady may fear she won't see him again if he doesn't, or if the review isn't the rating she wants...so could now ladies be put on the spot to White List a client for fear he won't see her again, or that he may be less than kind when referring (or not) her to others, and that can cut into her business...I think both reviews and White Listing should be done at the discretion of the client and provider respectively, without anyone calling, writing or asking at the end of a session for it to be done, and if either chooses not to for any reason it shouldn't be seen as a negative or used against them.

In the same way that I trust less reveiews of ladies that ask them to be written, I would trust less the "recommendation" of a lady that was asked to make it, and it wouldn't make me think the client that great a guy...but that's me.

Biggest downside i see to a White List is corroboration of reviews, that a lady placing a client on a white list has the effect of her saying "yes, I saw him as a provider", couple that with a review and all the "juicy details, and that can make a pretty good "case" for she did what the reveiew says..not that anyone would actualyy use that against a lady in any sort of proceedings or anything.  *smirk*

Best use for the White List I can figure is a statement of sorts from the ladies that put someone there, saying "He's not LE or a psycho...or at least wasn't when I saw him"...and shouldn't be used in place of normal screening, and shouldn't be looked at as a TER meber on the White List, no matter how many ladies have added there names to his list, as being more respectable, having more pull, more weight or more influence...just like a member with 75 reviews shouldn't be seen as more of an expert, or having more pull with other members or ladies than someone with 10 or 5 or none for that matter.  

The White List is just one more thing that could be beneficial if used correctly, and useless at best, misleading and dangerous at worst, if misused...just like the boards and just like reveiws.  *grin*



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The prohibition against Moderators making reviews does not tranfer to a prohibition against the Ladies White Listing them.

I don't know that Moderators "can't" make reviews, I do know they aren't allowed to...so if it isn't a matter of functionality of the site then there would be nothing in place to keep a lady from adding a moderator to a White List.

It may be that TER will decide Moderators aren't allowed to have that either and remove the White listings of moderators...but for right now a moderator can see a lady, not be allowed by the rules to review her, but she can place him on the White List.

Ya gotta wonder how many of the moderators would be considered "bad guys".  I've met ours (TMT), know his character, and know of a couple ladies that will speak on his behalf, but how bad would it be for business for a provider to talk trash about the moderator (or not white-list him)?

Just muttering aloud; no responses really needed

I've met three, Mr TMT included, and spoke to one on the phone and they seem like pretty good guys.

granted I don't know about BCD...but at bars, parties and the like they seem good sorts to me.  *grin*

As for the lack of white listing a moderator, or talking bad about one...I don't know...maybe moderated for life? *smirk*
I think it is the possibility for impropriety is why Moderators aren't allowed to post reviews, and if they were exempt from being white listed I assume that would be the reason then too.

Gals do not call the guys! they know the risk of calling a married guy or one who is at the office. email included.

I can't imagine a provider looking at a guy's white list then saying to herself.."umm That top rated gal vouched for that guy so I am going to call him and ask for a date."

Not gonna happen!

Nico gets it without having to think about it. That's GOOD!

Why?  Because Nico is a provider. She has many more safety and security issues than you and me will ever have.

Try and put yourself in her place. A guy calls you and says he is BigBadJohnson12inch on TER.  You look up his reviews, and he has 14 of them. so it appears he is cool!

But wait... You don't really KNOW he is BigBadJonhnon12inch.. he just said so in his email or VM.

So Nico asks BigBadJohnson12inch to send her a TER PM using his VIP. he must have one because he has reviews! When he does so, she knows it is him and his White List listing says he isn't LE, a violent prick , no show or thief.  She has MORE confidence when she opens that door that she will be safer.

But another scenario..

Nico gets a TER PM from BigBadJohnson12inch asking for a date. she can immediately check his White List to see if he is ok, and she KNOWS it is him because the PM came through TER.

TER is thus validating BigBadJohnson12inch for her.

Of course this will bring more business into TER. it's a great business idea!  But it will bring more and SAFER business to the gals and make life easier for you too!

Anyone who tries to see this from a provider's viewpoint will like it and see its value.

TMT

I got a call a few nights ago from a provider that I saw a month ago. It was a good thing that I was at work and no one was around. This is not the first time I recieved a call like that.

On TER I got a PM from a VIP provider who wanted to see me. It was unsolicated. You and other normal providers might not do unsolicated things, but my experience is different.

Re:Nico gets it without having to think about it. That's GOOD!

All I'm saying is people change .... If someone is listed and that lady hasn't seen that guy in months, or even years and then a new provider comes along and puts her faith in this list she could be in for trouble ..... not everyone has the same screening process .. I've already been told by someone we both know that they may use this white list in reverse ... if a guy has 10 reviews and only 8 are on the list ... she will call the 2 that didn't list him .. now that idea I like ....

and I agree about the color thing, except I don't see a need for any color in the name at all.  Maybe it could be the "Nico" list.  Now that's a list I wouldn't mind being on  

That's the point, to help make providers be safer and more secure.

TMT