I'm sure some of the rest of you have also watched the last few days with rapt amusement at the guys melting down over on the STD board over a lack of BBFS girls. This, after they are largely RESPONSIBLE for many of these girls leaving LA. Many girls that used to be UTR YMMV have taken BBFS off of their menu for EVERYONE in response to these guys that can't seem to keep their mouths shut. Even though its a serious problem they cause for the girls, I can't help but smile at the whining that is going on over there. Looks like the day of reckoning for the BB hounds that like to out the girls has arrived. Lol
Why guys would boast about that and let everyone know? Ego. I'm not always in LA but I usually stick to KGirls here in the DC Metro area. Guys need to learn when to stfu and keep things under the radar. There's plenty that I can boast about but don't. I don't need affirmation. CDL, I am with you. Keep sending those beautiful Kgirls this way....
That just tells me those guys still have a chance if they know how to play the game. Personally, I am disappointed to hear "plenty" are willing to engage in BB with a single person. Why would I bother to watch out for the K-girls anymore?
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When CDL made me aware of that site last year with his post, I was more motivated to talk to the girls about it so they can make the best choice for themselves. I was trying to make it safer for everyone. I will not do this anymore and just have fun.
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But I digress. I am just as happy as CDL to see fewer names now. BUT, I was thankful to see names there because then I can stay away from those names. Who knows where else they will name the girls now. Did gentlemen know about 8/10 guys would ask for BBFS with a girl when she had been named? The 2 guys who didn't ask would be in trouble LOL. Ignorance is bliss.
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Not everyone brags on that board. I still don't understand why some guys still do it when even I can see it would backfire.
So you contradict yourself by saying you have plenty to boast about LOL.
How is that boasting? Lol. Love how u try to point out something that isnt there...under an alias.
Or I would not comment on this topic again.
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The last time I wanted to talk about it was three months ago to assure people that few girls are doing BB with many; effectively pointing out those guys doom. Actually I might have predicted their doom nine months ago, and that was one month after CDL made me aware of that site and girls leaving LA because of them. Mostly I didn't like the way they disrespect the girls and so I decided to help THIS community and found out for myself what was truly going on.
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I quickly lost motivation and stopped being concerned because I could guess just as well or even faster than that entire board. I might have continued to occasionally telling the new girls of what to expect in LA, but then there was this new girl I saw on her first day. I told her about those guys as she stared into my eyes and listened intently. Then she responded, I want to have your baby. I knew right there I was talking to the wrong girl, LOL.
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That memory still filled me with some regret so when NoTomorrow admitted to BB with plenty of girls, that triggered my venting. I truly thought he is a stud so he was not really my target. Perhaps more girls are easier (outside LA?) than I thought (which I highly doubt about girls in LA). What surprised me (a little) is how tolerant this community is with BBFS.
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Nobody denounce BBFS itself here. It seems as if (many?) gentlemen like BB and (many?) girls don't really abhor the idea of it. I was acting the fool for being concerned about the K-girls or this community haha.
Although I agree that the behavior of those guys is deplorable - would-be clients should have access to information on BBFS girls. There are certain risks that need to be responsibly managed in this realm, and all parties involved should be held accountable.
I agree with this. I'm not part of that board so I don't know under what motivation the outters do what they do. I definitely don't want guys using info to pressure girls into BBFS when it's not on the menu and subsequently lowering the bar of safety and if that is what that board and its members are about then they should be condemned.
However, if a provider offers it up or has it on the menu, then that provider should definitely be outted in my opinion.
I agree, seen from another perspective it gives practicing safe mongers ( in relative terms of course) knowledge of girls practicing "unsafe" sex, so you know who to avoid.
where someone has made a false claim about a girl offering BBFS? She will lose your business anyway, and if someone was just trying to fuck her over for NOT giving him BBFS, then you make yourself his willing pawn, which emboldens him to keep doing it to other girls. In essence, you are making yourself his willing accomplice in hurting the girl's business. Isn't it better to let each of us determine on our own what her menu REALLY is by PRIVATE conversation directly with the girl in question? Otherwise, how do you sort out truth from fiction with these assholes?
It sounds like you want to put all of the responsibility on the girl and take none for yourself. We all know how to have safe sex, and if you're suggesting the reason you want to know is because you want to have BBFS, but you want to know if someone else is getting it from the same girl, you will never know that because only a fraction of the girls' names will ever appear on that board. Unlike some hobbyists, most girls know how to keep their mouths shut about who they are seeing and what they are doing with them. So if you are just concerned about knowing for your own safety in general, and not because you want BBFS too, use a condom.
The majority of LA Kgirls usually have an outside boyfriend at any given time. They work a lot, but they're human and still want to have a social life. He may or may not have started out as a customer. In my case, I always meet them first as a customer because I'm not Korean. All of the girls I have met have BB sex with their boyfriend, when they have one, because its not at work, the same as a civvie girl would do. There is no way for you to know how safe her boyfriend is or how many women he is seeing, so you never completely mitigate the risk, even with a Kgirl that NEVER allows customers BBFS. So the notion that there are girls that don't have BBFS with ANYONE is just fiction, and anyone that is put off by that should find another hobby. BTW, its no different with indies. In fact, many indies have posted on TER boards that they ONLY have BB sex with their boyfriend or husband.
I never really disagree with anything CDL ever said about the K-girls or BBFS, but this can read like an admission that "many" offer BBFS to (few?) clients and that is like splashing cold water on some other clients LOL.
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Well, I effectively hinted at the same thing, that "few" offer BBFS to "many" but I was just not as blunt.
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I don't like to see names but from what I gathered in this thread, if the BBFS guys get their act together their site will be useful again. Being disrespectful, not taking no for an answer, feeling entitled to BB on first visit, and no repeating are their downfall. Some girls that are named may welcome the increase in business or know how to handle it even if they are very YMMV.
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Any gentlemen who abhor BBFS can speak up like CDL did. I think much success is mostly thank to CDL who influenced other gentlemen to put their money where their mouth is. CDL is a long time hobbyist so his words carry weight.
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I hope both sides can have their fun, but not at the expense of the others. I have a vision of how to achieve it but I am not GAG or CDL or I would start with trying ALL the K-girls to gather intel. I pretty much tried that last year on a limited scale.
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BUT, I have no more dog in this fight so I need to focus on something more productive, like lasting longer than two minutes. I don't want to be known as a "short time" monger anymore. I have no shame. Big sigh 
Early American patriots were called "Minutemen" too. Lol
voices over there that seem to have realized that the loss of many girls can be blamed at least partly on that board, there are still the complete assholes that keep on posting names. Latest is a guy named mnoire, also a TER member, I believe, who has outed Lina, saying she was "easy." Easy because he didn't take no for an answer, or easy because he made some kind of threat? Does anyone here think that if he had said, "Give me BBFS and I will put it up on the board for you" that she would have done it? Throwing her under the bus was his own idea. What a scumbag. Hope the bookers are paying attention to this guy and what he is doing to the girls. Many of these guys are younger guys insecure in their manhood that think this is the way to play "I have the biggest dick in the room." There are other ways to play this without hurting the Kgirls, but these guys only think about themselves.
Lina has two choices now that she has been fucked her over by Mnoire. She can leave, or else BL every guy in the next month that even asks for BBFS. I hope she does the latter and stays in LA, leaving a pile off assholes in her wake. Maybe we should start a pool to see how long she lasts from this day of her fuck-over by mnoire.
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She may have been fucked over by Mnoire on another board, but not everybody reads every board. Back that TER bus over Lina in case the first hit wasn't enough.
I know ALL check that board. Might be a few Newbies that don't YET, but judging from the number of PM's I get when BBFS is discussed, here, it's no secret. That's for sure. It would be naive to think TER is in a vacuum.
I know you're a stand-up guy and would not suggest that its better to pretend it didn't happen and sweep it under the rug. That reaction only emboldens Mnoire to keep doing it and leaves Lina with a desperation of not knowing what to do next. While you seemed to see only a negative aspect of me posting about it here, I happen to know that Lina's more experienced roommate follows this board, and will hopefully tell her she has some support here from SOME of us and will take the advice I gave to BL every guy who hassles her. Aggressive blacklisting has worked for other girls. Pretending it didn't happen by not mentioning it solves nothing and often leads to the girl giving up and leaving. If she fights back, she has a chance of coming out of this even stronger. If she does nothing, her business will wither. If it becomes public knowledge that she is blacklisting guys wanting BBFS, many gentlemen customers will consider seeing her after all that might have otherwise passed.
Yeah, I'm sure all the girls come here to see what CDL would tell them to do, just as I'm sure she's never heard of the concept of blacklisting. No doubt her more experienced roommate will explain to her how it's a good thing that her name is dropped here because it's done with noble intentions. I look forward to the next post letting everybody know she has acted, is blacklisting, and is sporting a bandage to prove to the hoard of gentlemen that will now flock to her that she has been tested and come out clean.
the guys over there that is low-volume looking for BBFS? I know there are a few here that have different handles over there that talk out both sides of their mouth. I recognized you as a stand-up guy, but you seem more interested in defending the guys on the other board at the expense of the girls. Many guys over there view the girls as less then human, an expendable commodity. I sure hope you're not one of them.
You would be surprised how many of the veteran Kgirls PM me. Most guys, even veterans like yourself, think they are clueless about TER. These are savvy businesswomen, and they are on top of what we say here more than you think, and they do know about the scumbag board. Why do you think some of those guys can't get a response from any booker except the Palace? You seem like one of those guys who thinks that because YOU haven't been to the space station, no one has. People who have little knowledge of certain things are always cynical about others that know more. I get that a lot, but I share information freely with respectful guys who ask, whether publicly or by PM. I have even heard from some 90-day girls that got a TER membership when they got here on the recommendation of another girl.
There is no reason for us to be adversarial. As a high-volume hobbyist that also has had a number of Kgirlfriends on the outside, you should allow that there are things I might know about the Kgirls that someone who is strictly a hobbyist does not know. You are free to consider me an information resource as many of the out fellow hobbyists and many Kgirls do. PM me anytime. I take no offense to your attacks that are borne out of ignorance of what is going on in LA. If I didn't know better, I would probably do the same thing. We will try to get you up to speed eventually.
The way you took a page out of the Republican play book when they try to make Durbin look like the bad guy. You know the only thing I criticized was you dropping the girls name. You didn't have to do that. You can dance around and try to obscure that fact all you want, but it doesn't change the fact.
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splattered all over the other board for a few days, so I doubt there were too many guys here that didn't see it already over there, so I didn't "drop" her name, I merely repeated it. Its apple and oranges . . . . . unless you honestly believe that the guys here don't also follow that board. A new girl has been inquired about today, which is the first step to releasing the hounds on a girl, and I'll bet just about every one here has seen who it is, but . . . . . I won't repeat it here if YOU think its a secret.
I'm neither a Republican nor Democrat, I'm an Independent. However, with respect to politics, I will say this . . . you should have seen my office earlier today when my employees got their mid-month pay checks and they were $150-400 higher than usual, and that's only for HALF a month. Not sure if Trump or Congress is responsible in the end, but whoever it was, thanks for the raises by way of lower taxes. Did you get an increase too? I'm going to be able to see 5-6 more girls each month, or else see more for two hours each. I'm thinking about signing up as a Republican now. What do you think? Does that make me a whore because there was money involved? Lol
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your alias for something constructive once in awhile instead of just attacking people the cowardly way? There are several guys here that post some good information from their alias, which proves that just because you're an alias, you don't have to ALWAYS be a dick. Try it, you might be able to reinvent yourself.
You should team up with Lil Mamasan. You're about as useful here as he is.
has existed on TER. Obvs, I don't give a shit whether anyone here respects it or not ... I comment when I want to. It's also obvs you seek some sort of personal validation here. This is not the place; really, get help. Cheers!
justify the fact that you have no useful information for this board? Ever? Sounds like the classic definition of a troll . . . . just going on a board to stir up shit, but never providing helpful information. Are you bringing up your longevity on the RO board as a way of saying you have already provided all of the useful information you know over there and you are all out now? You did this before . . . . from your alias. Why not just claim to be Batman. We can't verify that, either. If you show your reviews, we at least know if you're a real hobbyist, of one of these once a year guys like BigP.
FYI, I get all the validation I need from the Kgirls that date me OTC. I'm just here to help the new guys with info because when I started here there was nobody that would give information to help a new guy get started, just a bunch of old assholes. Oh, wait . . . . . you were here then, too, right?
Yeah, like you know every high volume guy and can speak for all (I'm sorry ALL) of them. It would also be naive to think only a high volume guy would be looking for bbfs.
I appreciate your respond. Can't say I condone being the mouthpiece for that other board but CDL is probably right that most high volume guys check that board. If I still have a dog in this fight then I might have talked to Lina about it.
Another guy off that site. Honorable mention by the name of his screen, TheAbc
and says I think its wrong to ask for BBFS. I am on record as saying just the opposite. [see link below]. If BBFS is your thing, its perfectly alright to ASK. I don't have any problem with anything two people agree to do together. What I DO have a problem with is when a girl is pressured, coerced, or threatened with negative consequences (like a bad review) for not giving in to a BBFS demand. Ask once, if they say no, don't ask again. THAT is my position on BBFS. Beyond that, I have said many times that I have NEVER met a Kgirl that liked having it published publicly that she gave someone BBFS. Its a huge betrayal of trust on the part of the scumbag that outs her to others. So for the slow-witted like ABC and RickZey, ask and if you get it, good for you if you can accept the risk, but don't pressure and don't out a girl that has trusted you. Its not a morals question, its one of respect, honesty and integrity. Betrayal is a douchbag move, in just about any decent person's book, but these guys think they are entitled to throw anyone they want under the bus just to say to the other losers that they are "special." Short bus "special" I would agree. Nice attempt ABC to shift the narrative, but you are avoiding your own scumbag behavior and trying to say I don't even want you to ask. Ask away, dude, but if you get a no, how about a little respect for the girl by not pushing? If you get a yes, how about a little respect for the girl by not outing her? You can only be called a douche if you act like one.
For the most part, it seems these guys over there are mostly young with no game when it comes to civvie girls, so they hate themselves a little because they can ONLY get sex by paying for it. Kgirls are NEVER going to date a guy like that on the outside because it takes the same social skills to woo a Kgirl to the outside as it does a civvie girl. They have good instincts on separating the winners from the losers. Guys that have to brag about getting BBFS on a public board are invariable among the biggest losers with women in general. They have no integrity whatsoever.
RickZey says over there that WE THINK girls are leaving because of that board and being outed. He is clueless. There have been many that have told many of their regulars THAT IS why they are leaving. I know many touring girls that will not come to LA anymore because of that board and the disrespectful conduct of the guys there. Some were first-tier girls before they decided to leave.
Rpd2 the Ancient One of Pussydor vs CDL the New Guard!!
Nachos smothered in melted cheese and 7 eleven chili and a Big Gulp of ice cold cherry coke is ready for this titanic battle!!!!! Lets do this!!!!!
Latest casualty is a young wannabe named HugeDong. Now I ask you, WHO calls himself HugeDong except a guy completely insecure about the size of his dick. Poor guy has delusions of grandeur. Lol So to make up for his small dick, he outs Kgirls without their permission, and probably is one of the ones that is weaponizing reviews by bashing a girl that doesn't give him BBFS. He even indicates he has no remorse about fucking over the girls by outing them. From the tone of his meltdown, I would say he's a millennial still living with his parents, and if he had to pay his own living expenses, he couldn't afford to see Kgirls. Being a mommy's boy with no game with women is no way to go through life, son. I predict we will see more meltdowns from HugeDong in the near future. I'm pretty sure I know his TER handle, so this might get interesting if he follows through on his boisterous threats. He probably won't. He's a punk. But if he does, we'll see how the bookers react.
I haven't seen an LA girl in a long time. I hope they don't bring that problem to the OC. OC's seen some really nice new talent!
Some nice touring girls that are skipping LA.
Some girls have been named in OC as well and there is a (much smaller) thread dedicated to OC. Then again, some girls "escape" to OC and it is indeed even harder to get BB in OC than LA. I go to OC too.
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I try to assure you guys and gals that this is a minor problem but don't think anyone believe me LOL. I respect and understand what CDL is trying to do, but it disturbs me to think safe gentlemen or gals may be turned off because of threads like this. I want the K-girls to be more popular but can't guarantee a K-girl never BB anyone. But there are girls I would challenge the BBFS guys to try and get it with them; even thought of starting a thread to name the "safe" girls.
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As we all know those guys are shooting themselves in the foot, why do we keep telling them to stop shooting themselves in the foot lol? If bookers and the girls already know of that site, let them handle it. If people don't want their favorite to leave LA, they should tell their favorite to be careful in who to trust. Which is better? Convincing 10 guys to keep quiet or 1 gal to be more careful? Simple math, right? The more they offer it, the more chance they will be outed. Again, simple math. I still can't believe a girl would trust a guy to keep quiet without knowing him well or when giving it out on first meeting.
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I left those guys alone months ago and stop worry for the girls because I don't think those guys matter much. It does not bother me anymore who they name and I don't think they will completely stop it. I think the problem of girls leaving LA is more complex than just being outed regardless of what the girls said. I think they will come back or stay longer if they have more businesses or they see LA girls getting richer LOL. Some girls that have been named come back with a different name so it is not like they are really concerned about those guys. It is all about business and how much they can get.
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Let anyone but CDL refute my post, but I always welcome and enjoy reading CDL opinion.
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Keep in mind that I may not be a long time monger but if there is a booker in LA who does not know me, that booker must be new. I am not on any booker BL either. I am also confident that I can look at a name on that board or even just an ad and know with a high probably if it is true or not. Basically those guys can't lie to me and their site simply serves as confirmation for me. I don't check that site often now. BB is not my goal even though I am not worried about getting STD but still don't want to see a girl who is too easy. This is who I am and my POV on this entire BBFS matter, if anyone believes me.
warning the girls is exactly what I have been doing lately. Most girls are first named over there with a post of "Has anyone seen XXXX?" When this goes up, the last few months I have been texting the girls directly (except for a few I didn't know yet) and warned them that the BBFS hounds are coming after them, and to be careful the next month or two, or they will find they will be tagged as a BBFS girl. It seems to be working to some degree. Once three or four guys post that the girl was a no-go, the rest seem to move on and leave her alone.
Once again, I NEVER met a girl that wanted this information published, so you are right, besides exposing the assholes, its good to admonish the girls to be careful about who they trust. The BB crowd over there are mostly dim-witted young guys with a short attention span. They don't have the patience to see a girl for six weeks first before pouncing on her for BBFS. If the girls are patient, and careful about who they trust, the problem will correct itself to some degree. But we are still left with the guys that use force, coercion and threats against the girls, and of course, the publication, whether its true or not, and so as long as the guys feel emboldened to continue this way, there will always be girls that leave and just go somewhere else. Like you, I highly recommend OC for these ladies. When you say (a higher percentage of) OC gents are nicer to the girls, you're not bragging, you're just repeating what they have told you. I have heard it often, too.
on the STD board with the disclosure above that I have been warning girls whose names have been thrown up on that board as potential BBFS targets. They seem worried that I'm going to ruin their fun. Unless they are being underhanded and not telling the girls they are going to out them if they get BBFS, then I don't see the problem if they are just up front about it. EVERY SINGLE ONE of the girls that DON'T MIND having their name put up there as a BBFS girl will still be more than willing to give it up to one of these guys. ONLY the ones that don't want to be outed are going to cut them off. Any estimates on the percentage that DON'T want their name up there? Lol My goal is to have every Kgirl in LA checking that board every morning to make sure no one has put their name up there as a target. Its all about creating awareness on the part of the girls. They are in a position to do the most to shut those guys down, but they need to have the info to do it. I invite respectful guys here to join me in alerting girls you may have phone numbers for that they have been targeted by the scumbags if their name appears over there on the public board.
As a side note, these guys are revealing they are the losers I said they were. It appears none of them can get pussy at all without paying for it. They say the girls regard THEM as just an ATM. Why am I not surprised? Who wants to go out with a douche? I know at least 50 guys here that date Kgirls on the outside, including myself, but it seems NONE of these guys over there have the social skills to get a date. No wonder they hate the girls and try to hurt their business.
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very rare that a Kgirl shows up there. Mostly BP and HX skanks.
Might be a BL coming after the douche wastes his money. LMAO
A good blacklist yesterday by a girl who's name was posted there a few weeks ago on spec as a target and was immediately alerted. She' talking to the booker about blocking him for the whole org. Pretty soon these guys won't have anybody they can get an appointment with, so they'll be heading out th the sheep farm. That's baaaaad for them. Lol
I wonder if the punk offender will cop to it over there or remain the coward like the rest?
The insecure guy over there with the small dick that calls himself HugeDong (I'm sure the girls he has seen would be laughing their collective asses off to hear him say that about himself) has threatened to put up false reviews of my ATF's saying they are BBFS, PROVING MY POINT that these guys will weaponize BBFS if they don't get it and put up false information about the girls to the other guys over there that are going to spend their money harassing a girl based on false claims. He's a special scumbag among the other scumbags, but I think this statement pretty much screws his own credibility over there. Who over there wants to spend their money on a girl he names that might just be a fake retaliatory post and the girl doesn't do it at all? He'll be fucking his BB buddies over in the process. Nice guy.
The problem for him is, no one knows who my ATF's are, not even the girls themselves. I usually don't review the girls I'm seeing regularly until I have moved on, so his threat is laughable. Such a punk trying to act like a man. LOL
That website is not secure like this one. He should read up on what happened to Hazen Young a few years ago and worry about me finding out his real ID. There are always consequences for talking smack when you're out of your league.
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Seen that post. It's a case of sour grapes from a young child. Lol
be alerted to the STD board targeting by HapaBoy by the end of today.
Does anyone know the ACTUAL percentage risks of contracting ____ in 1 BBFS encounter? For me, the most worrisome is genital herpes.
If no visual sign of herpes is present, what is the actual % risk of contracting it?
I’ve read that for HIV (an HIV-positive female giving it to a male in one B.B. vaginal intercourse encounter), it’s something like 1 in 2,500.
I’ve tried to find out for herpes, and I read that it’s anywher from 0.1% to 0.0015%.
Of course, I’m NOT advocating that people should not use protection. But I think it’s be helpful for everyone to know the numbers.
On visual clues for an STD (except HIV, of course) is that, while visual inspection often works for a man (what do you really think the BBBJ is the shower is for?), it's impossible to visually check the inside of a woman's vagina, so you have no way to know unless there is other evidence like a peculiar smell, etc. if a woman is infected, the odds of her passing it to you are much greater than 1%. With that said, even if it's only 1%, the average girl sees upwards of 150 guys a month. Using your 1%, it means the odds say a BBFS girl will infect 18 guys a year. I agree it's not very many . . . but if you're one of the 18, it's really going to suck to be you. Each of us has to decide how much risk we can tolerate. HIV and HSV2 are life-changing, so it requires some serious thought. I can recall only one hobbyist that had the courage to come on this board and admit he got HSV2 from a Kgirl, it ruined his marriage and he was quitting the hobby. Bacterial infections are more of an inconvenience, but can get you BL'd if the girl even "thinks' it was you. On the STD board, there have been many posts from guys describing their symptoms and asking their fellow BB hounds how to treat it. The question is, do these douchebags bench themselves until they fully recover, or do they stay in the game, increasing the risk for the other players?