don't know about other areas, at least, in DMV kds are well known for their attitude and performance (except dirty talk/moans) 

First of all, what is kds? (I'm in the northeast. K Delite Service?)
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If the KMP girls are shy to be WATCHED with you (MK) by your friend (F.......MK), ask they will consider being the observer / teacher. You and friend (FM) and K-girl coach observer (FM......K). Would they be open to that? It might start out FM......K and ever progress to FMK or F.......MK.

But I'll try to tackle it.

I been?  I  thought I was pretty  knowledgeable about how  Kgirls get their training, but I never heard half of this stuff.  This is unbelievable.    

Consider the source 🤓

Why don't just you state what you disagree with?

Not sure what “this stuff” is.

Well, the sources were actually

just my personal experience from years ago...
was seeing this out of town blonde for years before she started her own agency, during one of the visit she asked if i was interested in a double with her and a newbie/ another blonde next time before they started offering double.
due to lack of experience, they'd like to hear feedback and suggestion after the session, it's offered to me w/o charge or whatever I'd pay.
I did take the offer and met w/ the blondes for the training session. quite a fun experience & memory!
so, inviting clients to join training session does exist!

not "training", its monger feedback and this quite common.  When new girls come that have not been at an org previously, bookers will ask some of their most reliable and objective customers to give her a try and report back to him/her how the session went, so the booker can tell other mongers what he's hearing  from early customers.  I've been on the new girl evaluation list at a couple of orgs, but it has nothing to do with training.  Rocket was talking about how these girls learn their trade.  I think some guy told him some shit to try to impress him and it worked.

The owner of the agency will have a VIP client, often an IRL friend "break in" the new girls, and of course write the first review which is ALWAYS glowing.  

There are some younger kgirls, and they are usually ones who are exceptionally green to start with,even with initial training. I usually try to avoid them because I get bored.  

Free of charge is crazy. Most of those training kgirl  sessions are not free of charge, you get a discount of one girl fee (if it's training doubles you're expected to pay double fee) at very best, even if you run errands for the org. Or so I've heard.

understood, so i did pay the blondes their regular fee each, and followed up w/ individual appointments the next few days.

Well if THAT doesn't seal the deal.  

Above you said VIP mongers were "invited" to be a training dummy.  Now, out of the other side of your mouth, you are saying they have to pay.  When you pay, you don't have to be invited, and it doesn't make you a VIP, you just text the booker and book the appointment.  If you had stated it this way in the beginning, I would not have said that I find it unbelievable.  Getting a discount for a training session has been around forever, but you made it sound like you had to be a VIP and be INVITED in order to get in on it.  In fact, that's the terminology you used.  That's never been the case with Kgirls.     The only "freebies" I have ever heard of were "make-up" session which  the org paid for when something happened that caused the customer to not get their full appointment (such as a plumber showing up who is working on the adjacent apartment and wants access through the adjoining wall), or a girl who is comping a customer or her RL boyfriend by waiving the fee.  (I went to an escrow closing with a Kgirl buying a condo one time to read the documents before she signed, and she gave me two free sessions for helping her and even paid the house fee herself as a thank you after the fact.)

Let me clarify.  

I have dated several AMP girls over the years and they have described something "similar" to what you are talking about.

Storefront amps have different training routines as far as I know. I was fairly close with some MMS ( and yes, those MMS didn't lie and always sent real pics if they sent pics) and the training sessions were always in-house. And I mean, in-house. Usually with male owners of the business or papasans.  

you saying you have heard from someone else.  In a legal context, that's called "hearsay" and is not considered reliable evidence of the  Facts unless it fits one of the few exceptions.  I would much rather hear about your own personal experiences in regard to this.  We know you, so if you are sharing personal anecdotes from YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE, it will carry a little more weight than you sharing something you "heard" from someone we don't know, who may have heard it yet from someone else that YOU don't know either.  There's all kind of bullshit floating around Kgirl boards, but you can't fake personal experience.  If you've been there, done that, tell us about it.  

I'm not a vip monger nor have I ever wanted to be one. So, no, I havent been to a training session nor do I want to be during one. I don't like green service girls.

IMP is always making arguments that start off with "I have no personal experience, BUT it would appear to me" IOW He doesn't have a fucking clue and is just guessing.  

Welcome to dealing with the little rocket boy. The stuff he says is beyond belief. Complete clown shit. As I've said before if we all just ignore him maybe he'll go away. One can only hope.

But just like GaG, I have a weakness for the low-hanging fruit on the boards.   I don't have to work too hard.  lol

I get it. And if you look up low hanging fruit in the dictionary you find a picture of the little rocket bitch.

This info was reiterated to me yesterday by two mongers I trust as much as I trust myself.  

Useyrhead already stated that some valued customers get a heads up to try new girls who just arrived at the org.  THAT is not a training session, that is for feedback to the booker so he can quote your feedback to other mongers who are considering seeing the new girl with no reviews.    And they are not invited for free, they pay the going rate.  When you talk about "training" you have been implying its free.  Its not.  I agreed with him because I have been on "new girl" lists.  This was not training, just checking out a new girl by getting to see her on the first day she is here.  Its often not a good deal if they are new girls FOTB from Korea.  They often have jet-lag from the time change for about five days. You'll get them at their best if you wait a week.  

Agreed.

way too slowly to keep me interested.  You've already admitted you have no personal experience doing any of this stuff you're talking about, so where are we going now?  I'm not going to start debating what each word means.  We can just rely on common usage in the Kgirl scene.  If you want it to mean something else, you should say something like, "When I say VIP, I'm referring to the dumb shits that co-sign leases for orgs", then we'll all be on the same page.  

I literally used the term "insiders", which is what useyrhead was crying we should use instead of "VIP" mongers.

OK, enough of the little rocket boy’s nonsense and covering up. I try to avoid arguing with him, or even substantively responding to him, because his response is always a chase down a rabbit hole where he twists statements, takes statements out of context, and makes disingenuous excuses whenever he’s been exposed as either a fraud or an idiot. But in this case I can’t help myself.  

In my experience there is quite a mix on who asks the monger to try out a new girl. It could be the new girl’s senior. Or it might be the booker.  

One more time,

Think about it.  

I agree with you useyrhead. But our idiot colleague wasn’t talking about previews or early access. He specifically referenced training sessions with the VIPs being used as training dummies (I’m sure these VIPs will enjoy being called dummies by rocketbitch), sometimes many times until the girl learns to do “it” right. That’s very different from what you, I, cdl, GaG, and others are talking about.

I don't know how many others would agree with this, but what you describe is what I would consider to be VIP status, i.e., a priviledged relationship with either booker or k-girl. I would think having such a relationship with the owner(s) of an agency would be so rare as to be neglible compared to the former.

1.   Read D.C.'s analysis of your first post.   Its spot on, and you are right, you didn't say paid and you didn't say free, but an "invite" is usually not paid.  

When I use the term VIP, I'm referring to a relationship of mutual trust and respect with the booker.  As a monger, you have proven yourself as a valued customer by the way you treat the girls, your loyalty and consistency in booking , and avoiding the 7 Kgirl sins.  This status is earned over time, and not something you can "buy".  As Useyrhead mentioned once, the quickest way to being treated as a VIP is to book 2 hour sessions, but this is not a practical path for everyone.  Two or three of those in a row with the same booker and you will start to see a difference in  how your are treated.  Most veterans who know they are VIP customers will tell you that when you get there with a booker, you will know it.  It can mean different things for each of us, so its not something that is one-size-fits-all.  For me, getting booking priority is the only VIP "perk" I'm interested in.  It also applies to Kgirls you are regular with.   I  have had bookers tell me that certain girls told them to always accept my booking request for them, even if the booker has to move someone else.  This is the only "privilege" I care about, i.e.,  . . . . . not having to ever hear "sorry, she's not available at that time."

Thank you! Pretty much what I was saying.

1.OK I'll make it more clear next time. I was getting invited to FetLife parties that had cover charges. But OK lol maybe next time I tell em since they invite me I shouldn't pay.  

I get that there are some guys who love to reminisce about how great they think their life was “back in the day”. But we all know, I hope, that the past was never as full of sunshine, roses and willing girls as our reminiscences, especially of somebody else, try to tell us.  

The problem seems to be one guy. He claims to be a friend of yours. Maybe you could talk to him about spreading nonsense, hearsay, and rumors? Ask him to stick to his own personal knowledge and not what someone else has allegedly "told him". It would be much appreciated. I've tried, both in the Board and privately, but he just won't listen.

The problem I’m seeing is two fold:

The problem is almost always that one guy. What he claims and what is true rarely coincide. But, hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day.  

Thanks for sharing useyrhead. I've been suspicious of the little rocket boy for a while. His posts were so out of line that I thought that he was a punk kid posting from his parents' basement trying to prank us. I tried to get him to slow down by calling him out and then shaming him (as did cdl and GaG), but that didn't work. I even tried through PMs, but that didn't work either. He just kept arguing, ignoring the truth, and told me that he enjoys the arguments. So I stopped responding to his PMs.

I've met about three girls, aged 22-23, on the EC, that I wonder whether bypassed the "room salon route". Maybe they first came here with the intention of learning English? They were fairly attractive, so I don't think that was an issue.

don't do DFK or BBBJ, so every so often you will see a girl come here who is very weak on these skills.   It  makes it seem like they are inexperienced even though they have been in salon work for a few years.  I was a regular with girl who got a new salon-girl roommate FOTB as a 90-day wonder in WLA.  My regular told me the girl cried every night after work because she hated giving BBBJ's.  She went back to Korea after 6 days and never returned.    

If youre talking about me, I've never claimed useyrhead to be a friend of mine.  

Lol at me being a "fraud" when the only thing I advocate is saying and posting truth publicly.

"I don't claim  to know . . . . . (but) I heard . . . . ." that its called "speculation?"  

..that he knows so many guys who have been blacklisted (or claims to, anyway).  

Speculation is usually not based on anything concrete and just hypothetical scenarios and guesswork.  

rut roh Astro, looks like the little rocket boy must still be spreading more lies, speculation and BS. DOH!