money trail
I’ve done this with only one k-girl. But it worked very well at the time.
Background:
I got a little tired of having to always make sure I had the exact amount of cash to see my ATF once or twice a week. Since I knew I was going to see her at least once a week, it seemed like I could simplify my life a bit if I worked out a monthly payment with her. I was not looking for a discount or free services. In my opinion, those are things the girl offers. If she doesn’t offer, you don’t get them.
I proposed a once a month payment for 4.3 times the cost (including my usual tip) of a single session. She said OK.
I did occasionally miss a week’s session. But seeing her twice in a week to make up for it was more of a treat than a hardship.
The few times I just couldn’t stay away and saw her multiple times in a week, though, she wouldn’t accept additional payment. Even when I protested to make sure she knew I wasn’t trying to get freebies.
I found this arrangement worked very well, as I mentioned already, and just made everything noticeably more relaxing and fun. I was surprised that it ended up saving me a little bit of money, though.
Has anyone else ever done this with a k-girl? I’m quite certain that this is both unusual and highly YMMV.
Iirc Twoon had a story about paying in advance . I don't think it ended well for him money-wise.
I believe he’s already posted it.
His was an entirely different situation. This was my ATF. The AT stands for “All Time”. That means that she remains my favorite k-girl of all that I have known up to now.
Also, by the time we set up this arrangement she had gone independent. There was no org for you to hate on. Just her. And before we did this I had known her for at least 3 years. I can’t remember the exact start date. We continued the arrangement for a few years after that.
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My dude, I did not want to argue with you...I simply brought up twoon's story. Personally I'm not a big fan of subscription-based models in such business, because imo the risks are big. You'd have to trust the provider(s) more than I usually trust anyone in the biz.
I didn't say a word about orgs, nor did I imply it. It works well with you for ATF (yes I know what it means), great. I don't have firsthand experiences with this model, and I brought up twoon as an example where he lost some money on it. That's all.
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in their lives that are recurring on a monthly basis on "autopay." Why would you think it would be a good way to stay stocked up on your Preparation H, but a bad idea for pussy, which for a lot of us, is just another consumable? His model is very similar to an "autopay" account with a vendor of goods or services.
I'm pretty sure I mentioned in my post why it's not the same,at least to me. This business you can't trust anyone with money. A girl might be here today, gone tomorrow. And so will your money. She also might take your money and then pretend like she never have.
Would you lend money to a kgirl? It's similar. I've heard stories of mongers who never got money back after lendint it. Hell, I've heard roommate girls stealing from each other.
money when their biz crashed at the beginning of Covid. To date, they have all paid me back except one, and she's only halfway. I think you are more likely to get paid back if they think they might need your help again in the future. Kgirls are pretty intuitive about not burning their bridges. With that said, if you are thinking about loaning a Kgirl money, you need to think of it as a "gift" rather than a loan. Most of my friends that have lent to Kgirls have not fared as well as I have. I have one situation years ago where a girl borrowed $1500 for her rent, but before she could pay me back, she became my outside girlfriend, so I never pressed her for it. I figure during the 90 days we dated, I got five or six times that amount in free pussy. However, when I broke up with her, she said she could send me the $1500, but I told her to fugidaboutit. Coincidentally, I was disappointed to hear several months later that this same girl stiffed a roommate on a $5000 loan when she was touring the EC.
useyrhead - How’d you take into account the “girlie pink days”? And what was your way of getting it to her? Just hand it over once a month, PayPal, other?
Really curious about this one. I don’t run to this with new or non-regulars, but sometimes I get way too comfortable with an ATF that I see a couple times a week - and a couple of times I have accidentally stepped out without tossing it down somewhere first. I’ve caught it in time - but feel like a total tard to do that that shameful knock on the door right after stepping out... tap, tap, tap... “guess what honey...I’m an idiot”. She think’s it’s funny and blows it off like it was nothing but it’s sooooo not cool. Your idea just sounded interesting - If I could put her on a renewable monthly subscription like my other bills - then I wouldn’t have to run to the damn ATM so much. The security guard at the bank see’s me roll up a few times a weeks and has to laugh and wonder why I burn through so much paper.
The justification was much like yours.
I’d sometimes get to my car and text her that I’d forgotten to pay her. She’d just say “Next time, honey.” But I felt pretty guilty about it. The once a month payment solved the problem.
At the time I had a Schwab account with a high ATM withdrawal limit. And any ATM fees were paid by Schwab. This is important for a guy who does a lot of international travel. Depending on the ATM, I would sometimes have to do more than one transaction. But it was a pretty discreet method, I thought.
I’d just give her an envelope once a month. No big deal.
As for the monthly visits, it wasn’t an issue. The deal was for one visit per week. If she was out for an entire week (not the norm) I’d just do a week with two visits. These happened sometimes because I wanted to see her more on occasion anyway.
We had been through some difficult times together. Trust and communication were pretty high by the time we set up this arrangement.
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Thanks useyrhead - at least for this atf, I think I’ll just air out your idea with her, just see where it goes to test the waters. Just doing something like this with her could cut my trips to the atm probably around 30% - which I hate doing “on the way”, because I’m usually too rushed or just hate wasting the extra time it takes. But either way, I’d still be dealing with the atm sooner or later.
I guess I could up the withdrawal limit - but it’s already pretty high and It looks funny looking at that monthly statement with all the multiples chunks flagged all over it. My accountant must think I have a serious drug problem, gambling problem or I’m getting black mailed 
BTW - Probably been covered - But has anyone tried a Sugar Daddy type of arrangement with their regular?
Pay her rent, and/or car, or whatever too avoid some of the direct cash trail?
When you come in, bow to the K-girl and hand her the envelope.
Had the opposite experience. I became really close with an RA during covid, and she would text/call me early morning asking if I had time to spend with her. I always offered to pay, but she declined since her older regulars would spend upwards of 5 hours just watching movies, eating meals, etc. She said she was comfortable enough that she wanted someone she could just be herself and talk about life with without having to pretend. We started to get really close, but both of us knew it wouldn't lead to anything serious. Friends with benefits, I guess. It was fun, but I didn't want to take advantage so I'd bring meals and stuff for her and her roommate.
Why?
You think she’ll burn a long-term regular to steal 3/4 of a one month pre-purchase?
Or other implications?
With an SB, and it worked out great. We had a monthly arrangement, but I paid her on the 15th. She had to trust me for the first half of the month, and I had to trust her on the second half. That way, the worst I could ever get burned for was half a month's donation, but I never did. She was honest right up to the end. However, when I got bored and wanted someone new, I didn't see her the last week that I had already prepaid. Sort of a separation bonus. Lol
Thanks for the feedback everyone.
I get that this isn’t something that should be commonly or readily undertaken. As I said, I only ever did it once and I’ve been a monger for quite a few years.
I was just thinking about this arrangement and whether I would ever do it with any of the k-girls I know. So far, the answer is “no”. Although one girl comes close. Just not close enough to bring it up with her. The trust requirement, as others have noted, is just too high for most k-girls to meet.
So, I thought it would be interesting to see if others had been through a similar experience (long time ATF switched over to sugar baby payment model). As I suspected, it’s pretty rare. Though it’s worth noting that this is a girl who shrugged off the fact that I walked out without payer her sometimes and just told me “next time, honey”. It would seem that the trust was at least somewhat mutual.
Still, it was really interesting to get everyone’s input.
Thanks again. And have fun.
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Thanks for posting this useyrhead, your timing was spot on for my situation.
I liked CDL’s model of looking at the 15th as a 50% risk split. At least for me and this one particular atf - I don’t see any risk yet based on others input, even at loosing the 50%. I already spend so much time OTC with her that I already feel in debt to her. When we eventually part - I’d be more than fine with a 50% parting fee.
Like you said - probably pretty rare - but definitely an interesting model you brought up. I’m all for more convenience to get more play time.
Monger Rule #1 is more likely to be YMMV. Which the experience I related here demonstrates.
Still, you and everyone should do whatever works best.
a golf coach, hairdresser, personal trainer, comcast, etc. They do it cuz they know they will get the bigger end of the stick. I can't imagine a Kho being any different.
Always pay cash. No trail.