While I think many will agree that there has been a slowdown over the past few months -- some agencies and girls taking extended time off (or going well UTR) no one has really seemed to ask much about average age of providers.

I think it is very safe to say the 90 day wonders are not here -- whether or not they could be I suspect most just don't want to be given the USA is the "hot spot" of the world (starting to change).

My impression has been that on average there has been an increase in average age, which naturally has an impact in looks and fitness.

Are you attempting to use covid as a scapegoat for false advertising?

A Tale From The AAMP

LA Ruby is a sweetheart!  I repeated with her many times and have sessioned with most of her crew at Baykisses org.  And I absolutely adore Joann, her PO.  There was one very special kgirl named Nora who I hope returns some day to the Bay Area... and my Queen also did a stint at Baykisses org.

LA Ruby was in a bad mood one afternoon when I came for my session.  Anyonghaseo!  I'm here!!! I said. She said I had a bad day yesterday and I'm bothered...I asked her to share with me what happened in hopes of comforting her.

She said a young monger showed up for his noon hour appointment the day before.  She said he was pleasant enough and she serviced him.  When it was time to go, she was forced to ask for the donation.  Oops, he said.  I left my wallet in the car.  Be right back...he didn't return.

If you read my reviews, you know that I attend to my formalities which include introducing my true self (even if we've had multiple sessions together), bowing respectfully and personally handing over the requisite donation amount.  This is my script for 30 + years.  And before I leave I say thank you for your sweet kisses and affection.  I'm usually asked to come back soon...  

Maybe the Bay Area demographics are changing and there's more asshole young mongers who think they can get over?  

YMMV

Did I say anything that implied that. You need to check your prejudice at the door.

It was a question your buddy asked about. I just noted what seems to be an impact -- increase in average age. I said nothing about advertising and even changed the thread to get out of that discussion.

it would be nice if all the mongers respected the women they see. Unfortunately too many don't seem to. Having to deal with people like that probably starts pretty early in life for many of these women -- though some get themselves into that boat with their own behavior. Then then get blamed for being rather jaded and opportunistic towards men as if they should forget about how other men have treated them.

It's a bad cycle. I try to stay out of it like I think you do.

I don't think COVID-19 really had any impact here though.

Many Kgirls who have become hardened hustlers can thank mongers who treated them badly for helping them get there.  Stiffs and shorts are the most hated.  I'm always amused by reviews where the writer is offended that a new girl asked him for the donation up front.  If they knew how often Kgirls get shorted or stiffed, they would be a little more understanding.  It doesn't take much abuse by unscrupulous asshole customers to turn a sweet Kgirl into a hustler.  They will take you before you have a chance to take them, and they are very good at it . . . . they have a pussy, its what we want, and they know it, so they use it to get what THEY want from men.

I simply asked a question. What "prejudices" have I shown in order for you to say I should leave them at the door? So, I guess, it is a "no" answer ? Because, as a reminder, none of the story my "buddy" told would happen if the advertising was more truthful.

 
Anyway, the older girls trend started way before covid. We are talking about the older girls trend, right? As usual this thread deteriorated into mongers blaming other mongers. I don't really see what twoons or cdls posts have to do with age of girls OR covid. I personally prefer girls who know how to fuck, and those tend to be older. A lot of short stay girls aren't looking to have repeat clients, although one can argue 90 days is a hell lot more than typical c-house lifespan of two weeks.  The younger ones usually have GPS and I figure they'd rather make more money in LA or something, if it's a short stay.  

This, again, started way before covid. Many bay area mongers have been complaining about quality of eye candy and more milfs for more than a year now.

No, really, let's. About older girls. For your example, your May review says the girl was older than in pics. Pretty vague. How much older was she? Was she within the range you mentioned? How does her being older correlate with regular ratio of age to real age in the DMV area compared to pre-covid? Let's hear it from you.  

 
Since you're so concerned about other people's experiences, let's hear about yours. Would you say this girl you've seen is a product of covid for being older than pics, or her being older is something that is regular thing with dmv agencies?

Right it's always the mongers' fault. Never the other side. But it takes two to tango. RIIGHT

In the past the agencies I used the girls almost always looked as it they could be in the age range listed, particularly to western eyes. Mostly they were older -- if they were listed as 24 or under you I would guess they were generally early 30s. If they were listed as 26 of older late mid 30s or perhaps even early 40s for those that took really good care of themselves. Any provider listed as 29 (and I cannot recall an agency listing one as 30 or above) was certainly in their 40s and very possibly in their 50s.

Clearly the older one gets the greater the impact of the years -- more than a few late 30s and early 40s can easily pull off claiming 20 something. Late 40s and older will never pass for 20s, some might not past for 30s.

That was all pre covid and for me largely pre mid 2017.  

Now, my experience has been with the COVID settings the providers I've been able to see, and some I have seen listed, are probably more like 40s or perhaps even early 50s (for at least one agency ad).  I think that does reflect the impact of COVID on travel.  

That is purely about agencies and not about independents. The independents I've seen during this period were two that were as expected -- not well represented by their pictures and ads, 20 years older than the ad.  Three were very much like the ads (in that they could easily pass for the age claimed or probably are that age) and look very much in person as they do in the images and the discrepancies are not enough to make me care.

Last, I have NOT been the one claiming I'm here to save everyone else so please don't keep projecting your view onto me. I expect everyone to be an adult here and have the ability to make their own decisions without me stepping up for them or anything like that. YOU are the one who has been claiming your agenda is about protecting others (and particularly one stuff you say is not important to you personally, e.g. the eye candy aspects)

the guys here with ten+ years of experience are very rarely here complaining about a Kgirl session, and yet the Newer mongers are whining almost daily.  Your answer is that the orgs are fucking them.  If that's the case, why aren't they also fucking the vets?  Often, this disparity is reflected in the scoring.  The Vet has a good session and give the girl an 8-9, and then a newbie gives her a 6-6.  I realize looks are subjective, but anyone that has seen at least five Kgirls should know the difference between good and bad service.  Why are you so quick to be dismissive that the problem is with the attitude and expectation of younger mongers. They go in with unrealistic expectations and if the girl is not DDG, which most Kgirls aren't, they get a bad attitude.  I have said before that a lot of what you get form a Kgirl is reflective of what you bring to the table.  If you have a bad attitude, they will have one, too.  

 
With that said, I'm not saying it is ALWAYS the mongers fault.  There are some girls that just shouldn't be doing this kind of work because they are not good actresses.  But when you have two subgroups of mongers seeing the same inventory of Kgirls, and one group is enjoying themselves, and the other group is habitually unhappy, I think you have to analyze the differences between the two groups, not look for extrinsic reasons like the bookers and orgs.  These are the same for both groups.

I don't really see the discrepancy then. How many girls have you seen since covid? If there were already girls marketed as if they're 20s and they're 40+, seeing two girls or so who were also 40+,isnt any indication imo. Small sample size is small. Sounds like par for the course,but of course, not enough either way to make a conclusion. Personally I can't say anything, I have seen zero working kgirls since the s-i-p started. I value the lives of people around me too much. The only thing I can say that lineups haven't been changed much, understandably.  

 

Pre 2017 is a huge range from now tho. I started kgirling a decade ago, and back then things were far truer to pics. In fact, many tw corgs still post truthful pics. The women there might be gilfs, but at least the pics look like human women with bodies that aren't perfect, not some blow up doll whitewashed models with bodies that are airbrushed to death and poorly psed faces. Mongers know far more what theyre getting there, even if skin has wrinkles and boobs are saggy. At least body type is correct.

 
I would ask you, if you think its acceptable to show girls who look like they're in 20s and they're 40+. When I asked about weight limit, you said you expect the girl to be within 10% of their weight. Do you have a similar line with age? Since you claimed you never had so much as a subpar kgirl experience, my conclusion is that you think it's acceptable. Am I wrong? And what does it tell you when independents have a much tighter range between their pics and truth than kgirl agencies? Sounds to me like it's exactly part of the problem, with orgs also taking advantage of people who can't tell kgirl age.

So going back to your May review, that girl is in her 40s or even 50s even tho it's not reflected in her pics? I see. And you still had no qualms with it?  

 

I really don't understand what my wish to actively help and warn mongers have to do with my tastes and my experiences. There are mongers here in the bay who walk when they see fake tits when they were advertised as natural. And some definitely will walk if age is discrepancy is 15+. Not enough tho, we still have some mongers scared to tell the booker no.  
Anyway, what does it have to do with me? You trying to make it sound like it's only happening to me, is absurd. Maybe you're content with girls being off by 20 years, which is what you just said is done by agencies in your area. I'm content as long as service is top notch. Many aren't. As someone who visited storefronts a fucjton, I'd say I have a good eye for asian girl age. We'd even have guessing games, as I look a lot younger than my age too and some amps would ask me for my ID to be sure. I'd just ask for theirs and they'd stop asking. Also, as someone who is in his 30s, I know what asian girls in their 30s look like. I have a good Korean girl buddy I've known since middle school, she's in mid 30s with two small kids living in ktown now. She as is (with no makeup) would be top girl off the shelf and orgs would market her as "truly young". Again, she's in mid fucking 30s with two kids popped out in the span of 3-4 years.  Of course she's not a worker, but this is in perspective. Most kgirls are 30+ and I'd say majority are over 40.

 
It is my understanding a lot of girls come here after they're deemed not young anymore by Korean standards in Seoul etc. There are more non-agency nonasians who are really in their 20s (they do often get taken advantage of by pimps and even sneaky "mongers") than asians who are actually in their 20s. And much more so than 10 years ago. Now since bb is accepted in many places, it's even worse. Orgs and girls think bb will give them a carte blanche to do whatever the fuck they want.

Why don't you ask sagacity how old he is and what is his mongering experience? Since his complaint is the basis of this thread? I'm also no newbie. I haven't seen newbies on here whining, at all. In fact, I haven't seen many newbies on this subforum. It's like 5 and a half regulars and 5 Bay area vet mongers on this forum. I'm pretty sure seanfinn isn't exactly a youngin either.  

 

Most vocal people on donkey were vets too.  
There is no correlation between expectations and younger mongers or newbies. The hardest grader on the donkey seen hundreds of girls a year. He is not a newbie nor was he particularly young. He wasn't shy saying he had high standards of looks,comparing it to at lest his ex wife.  

 

Let's face it here, older mongers in most cases don't really have alternatives for younger women besides money. Either they are George Clooney or they packing a pocketful of cash. Mongers in 20s or 30s or early 40s do have alternatives, even tho it's more work. Many of their lives will not change drastically if all kgirl orgs are gone overnight or even if all p4p is completely gone. My life certainly will not change that much. Older mongers are more dependent on getting their fix from the dealer if they want young pussy.  

 
Younger mongers are probably more likely to spit in dealers face when they feel they're getting fucked
.. and not take it on the chin and smile and tell how great it was. Simply because they're not as dependent on them as main source of pussy and have few repercussions for saying what they think, not what the other side wants to hear. Just my guess.  

 
With that said, you really don't have enough proof of anything with correlation of monger age and content ness. Like I've said, sagacity is a vet. He was dissatisfied. You want posts on other forums from people 10+ years in this hobby? Hell, I have 10+ years in this hobby now.  

 
Actually, many vets are dissatisfied and refuse to be content. And many would rather appease the booker and take it on the chin when they and others are getting fucked, they convince themselves it's for the best.  
To each his own, I guess. Sorry, I don't like people who fuck over others and mislead them on purpose and fake reviews. In any area of life. I consider such people scum. And watching scum catch karma is better feeling than any pussy in the world. And you're hearing this from a sex addict. Maybe as you get older, you start becoming more self centered, but it was the opposite for me.