K-girls

While you might not think so...
RegencyHobbyist 109 Reviews 89 reads
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Just google it. There are some great investigative reports that can detail it better than I can. In a nutshell a group of Seattle area Kmongers got too involved in the business side of the hobby, talked about it pretty openly, and got busted.

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 107 reads
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2 / 40

First, I doubt anyone would be willing to give real insider info for a cr1m1nal case.

 
Second,most of the info is well out.

 

The league wasn't just a review site. It was designed as a vip group and the group quickly leveraged the game to their causes. The reviewers often wrote reviews to generate business, have promoted certain girls or so on. These people were charged with promotion. Many of the same people also leveraged their connection to girls to offer housing, transportation, etc ec. They also fucked the same girls, ie what a great late artist would call "getting high on their own supply". Obviously they often also strongarmed some girls into doing what they wanted because many controlled the reviews.  

 
Tbh - and I'm going off tangent here slightly - many of the league members attitude was the same "don't put the girl down because she will tell other/better girls to come here" as you can read for many on this board. The league certainly prioritized girls getting business over truthful and objective evaluation of their skills and/or looks as pertaining to average monger.

 
Finally, it was a requirement of the league at least in Seattle, to gather in person. A really fucking dumb requirement that ended up burning them.  

An undercover also infiltrated their league and he was at the meet up as well.

 
As such, I don't have much sympathy for most members of the league. They weren't average mongers who consumed pussy and reviewed pussy on a review board. Many of these members facilitated the business, made tangible profits off the business and masqueraded as average mongers to promote the girls they wanted to promote. They clearly had conflict of interest. Sure, some may have been innocent vip members who had allure for a vip group community. Most of those guys weren't charged iirc. It's the dumbasses and "shrewd businessmen" that made the infrastructure, the leases, the promotional posts/reviews, the chores etc, who got nipped.

 
The girls, of course, got out of dodge quick and were already back working in other areas within weeks iirc.
Not so much for the league. One guy committed a su1cide and many are serving sentences.

Edit: the league was/is an US-wide thing. Only Bellevue chapter got touched and most of its digital infrastructure.  Once the bust was made many members changed their aliases and abandoned/closed similar private group sites such as ones in LA and NOVA. Many former members are still  on fuck board sites. Fin.

-- Modified on 3/14/2022 1:40:24 PM

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 92 reads
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I disagree. You'll be surprised how long an apartment spot can have 18 guys enter and exit daily for months and sometimes years. The wildcard is really the close neighbors who are nosy.

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 78 reads
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Well, first it was certainly not low mileage kgirls.

 
Sure there were guys there only for fucking kgirls and talking about it. As long as they didn't help girls, didn't promote reviews etc they weren't charged or at least weren't charged excessively.

 
The "promoters" or "insiders" on other hand.  
They weren't directly pimping the girls, but they were promoting them via reviews and ads and the site.  
As such the guy who made the site got indicted and so forth.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 76 reads
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5 / 40

As soon as someone names a girl that was busted, or a member of that group that was arrested, or provides a link to any articles, this whole thread will be taken down.  It's hard to talk about inside info and have the thread survive.  I wasted my time before telling everything, and it got taken down, so I'm not going to get sucked in again.  There's plenty to say, but not publicly on this board.  No offense, but the "facts" that you state in your OP is far from the truth of what happened.  Tales that get passed around get altered along the way, so it's not surprising that you are starting with suppositions that are an oversimplification and not the crux of the story.  

gameami 1 Reviews 61 reads
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6 / 40

Providing transportation for a provider, is pretty much the definition of sex trafficking.

gameami 1 Reviews 63 reads
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7 / 40

Providing transportation for a provider is pretty much the definition of trafficking.

badger48 154 Reviews 79 reads
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8 / 40

IDK, the AAMP set up seems to be working pretty good in So Cal!

impposter 49 Reviews 85 reads
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9 / 40

Posted By: team_rocket_qwerty
One guy committed a su1cide ...
As I recall (but not going to look it up), the guy who took his own life was a mild mannered Indian (dots, not feathers) guy who set up and maintained the web site. He might have been a MS programmer, but I'm not sure. He never even partook in the sex part of the League's activities. He was made to feel such shame that he took his own life.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 68 reads
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10 / 40

the posters on this board have no clue about how the Kgirl business model has worked successfully for 20 years in SoCal.   There are occasional busts, but they just move the location and continue on.  The percentage of busts is less than 1% and seems to be concentrated in ONE agency time after time that is known for laxity in screening.    

 
This bust in Seattle had nothing to do with the girls or the business model, only the arrogant members who thought they could flaunt their illegal activities in public and never be caught. I was proposed for membership (the only way in was to be proposed by a sponsoring member, and voted on by the local membership) but turned it down because several of the membership requirements were counterintuitive and self-destructive.  

Hpygolky 233 Reviews 69 reads
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11 / 40

Looking for "jet-lagged, hopelessly-lost, struggling-with-the-language, culturally-shocked newcomer to the country" tp pick up?? Or what led this good samaritan in you?...Why them?

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 64 reads
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12 / 40

No, none of it is true, but kudos to the guy who made all of this up.  Some people will believe it.  

MatureGFE See my TER Reviews 77 reads
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13 / 40

and in thought I agree with what you said, it's how LE and the prosecutors view it unfortunately.

Steph XO

MatureGFE See my TER Reviews 64 reads
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14 / 40

Too bad the ladies and manager weren't so lucky. Double standard was on full display on that sting.

Hpygolky 233 Reviews 67 reads
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15 / 40

In picking up a poor, lost soul at the airport.But being an associate or friend of the agency, I can see how some of this "sex trafficking" could be tied to you in some way. I'm not of legal mind but I have to ask, what's your deal here? What's in it for you?? Hail Marys weren't enough??
You make it sound so innocent....but my gut tell me it's not and I'm not even a cop.

Hpygolky 233 Reviews 81 reads
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16 / 40

And I'm not a lawyer....and in the outside it might look innocent but....I just have to scratch my head. Just hope there's nothing that would tie you to that agency.

MatureGFE See my TER Reviews 72 reads
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17 / 40

But naturally I don't have an exact number.  You are preaching to the choir.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 49 reads
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18 / 40

under the misapprehension that sex-slavery mostly involves Asian women.  However, there are far more Latina women from Central America that are being trafficked and forced into sex work.  The number of Asian women who were brought her under false pretenses and end up in sex work is very small by comparison, and has all but disappeared on the West Coast.  But in rural agricultural areas, it's not uncommon to see small trailers set up behind Hispanic bars and clubs where girls are forced into sex work to pay the coyote fees for smuggling them across the border.  Some would be kicking themselves if they knew that waiting until 2021 they could just walk across without paying.

Hpygolky 233 Reviews 72 reads
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19 / 40

The agency/pimps sure set them up in nice digs. They'll go from Seattle, to LA, then to Vegas and are set up nicely...
Of course they'll go through their customary names change from city to city..and the agency "Reviewer" will submit the "quip pro quo" review. That's just the business model.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 80 reads
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20 / 40

When was the last time you heard of a trafficked girl who was allowed to get into her own car at the end of the day and drive home to her Ktown apartment to sleep?   Kgirls are not trafficked.  If you think they are, you have not seen any.  The girls are responsible for finding their own places to work.  They are not "sent" from place to place.  Anytime they want to, they can get on a plane and go back to Korea.  Does that sound like trafficked girls to you.  Are you just trolling the Kgirl guys here, or did you really not know any of this?  I thought you had some experience with Kgirls.  After this post, I'm not so sure.  Lol

Hpygolky 233 Reviews 69 reads
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21 / 40

Your stories are rare, the girls that stay here the prime time players. The ones who don't get the action are shipped to other states, cities. There's other boards where this is discussed at length...One guys knew a K-Girl from LA who's service was deteriorating and she somehow landed in Vegas with a different name. but with the same shit service...and she landed in a tricked out apartment
I'm sure you've seen some reviews where one has started a review with the "I met her at an apartment, where I've been before"....We in LA know where all the "trick pads" are at. I guess once the debt is paid, then they're free to go...I guess.
I wish you'd be more upfront with your affiliation with these agencies...And of course your connection with them.
Care to share?

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 69 reads
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22 / 40

If business is slow, then the girl will make the choice to leave.  She finds an opening in another city or state and she goes there.  The wait time to get a spot in OC for new girls that haven't worked here before is often 6-8 weeks, so guess what, they go somewhere else.  NorCal, SD, East Coast, etc.  They go where there is an empty apartment they can work from.  The orgs will sometimes insist that the girls use a new name, because "new" girls get more action the first month.  However, many girls with solid reputations that have built up their brand are resisting this practice, so more and more lately, you will find them using the same name in multiple cities.  

 
All orgs maintain static apartment locations for touring Kgirls.  The only reason to move is if there is an LE bust at one, but they will move within an apartment complex every 12-18 months on average for security purposes.  Sometimes, they will keep the same apartment for two or three years if it's a low-key location and there are no problems.  That's why customers will often have been to a location before to see a different girl.  

 
The usual tour time is three or seven weeks.  If they do well, they will take a week off for their period and then stay over in additional four week increments  (three weeks work, and one week vacation for mother nature) as needed.  They will continue to stay as long as business is brisk.  Some end up staying at one org permanently because all of their customers are regulars and they may only get one or two new customers in a week.  If it slows down, then it's the girl's choice to go somewhere else, and she will network with other girls to see which agencies have openings on the dates she wants to work.  I have never had a Kgirl suggest to me that she is not her own boss. However, when they are working, they must follow the org's rules, just like other independent contractors do in other businesses.  

 
I have always been upfront about my own status, and if you went to the Kgirl board you would know that, along with all of the other things you are ignorant about as demonstrated by your ludicrous assumptions in your post.  My status is one of valued customer.  I have been doing 3-5 Kgirl sessions a week for 12 years.  DO THE MATH.  I have dated more than a dozen in real life relationships on the outside, and I have traveled to Korea to see some who have retired.  I lived with two of them in Ktown for awhile (not at the same time - lol).  With that kind of immersion, you learn a lot about the business.  I have never been an owner or booker.  

 
I always thought you had some experience with Kgirls from prior discussions we have had.  If your experience is more than 10-12 years ago, the business has evolved considerably since then and you should bring yourself up to speed before trying to post how the business works in it's current state.  You are making yourself a dinosaur.  Lol  Sorry this is so long, but I had no idea you knew so little about this stuff.  You're welcome for the education.

Newto1000 72 reads
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23 / 40

When the fuck are you going to realize that the "World Book" is never wrong.  

cks175 51 Reviews 63 reads
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24 / 40

Stick to politics. You have no idea what you’re doing here.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 52 reads
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25 / 40

having your endorsement would be like having a 400 pound girl doing weight-watchers commercials and saying she lost 40 pounds.  You don't know shit about this biz.  Why not see someone and write your first review?  This is a fuck board, you know.   (Stay in your lane, dude, or you're going to get run over - Lol)

Jinx_The_Cat 33 Reviews 61 reads
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26 / 40

A neighbor called police on the next door apartment and reported that due to the endless stream of men she there was prostitution. LE started an investigation that led to a bunch of really stupid mongers.  LE was getting private funding and pushed things to the limit as there was obvious evidence of trafficking.  Yes K-girls are actually trafficked than many care to admit.

Hpygolky 233 Reviews 64 reads
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27 / 40

If it worked 5,10 15 year ago...then it'll work now. I find it interesting how you feel the need to front for them with this long winded "white knighting"..But it's getting obvious. You're trying too hard to sell it.... it is what it is.

badger48 154 Reviews 64 reads
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28 / 40

I've been enjoying Kgirls for quite a while, before I started with TER.
And it's been about 2 years with TER.

 

Have you actually seen a trafficked Kgirl and if you did why didn't you help her?
Or did you hear it from someone else or is it speculation?

 
All the Kgirls I have seen and repeated with were not trafficked!
They are basically indies working with an agency, IMO!
And even if I didn't see the roommates, I'm pretty sure they weren't trafficked either!
But, maybe I'm speculating on the roommate^^!

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 58 reads
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29 / 40

of the worst speculation I have seen on this subject.  Congrats on your vivid imagination.  There have not been any Kgirls involved in trafficking in about 20 years.  These girls wait in a queue for a chance to come here and work after they are furloughed out of the salon business due to age.  Understand?  There is a waiting list of Kgirls who want to come here and do sex work.  How is that trafficking?   I always considered you one of the smarter SoCal mongers, but you're not showing it on this topic.  If you don't know, it's better not to speculate.  

 
More recently, it has been concentrated in Chinese groups.  There are also claims that Thai groups are sometimes involved in trafficking, but a recent case fell apart.  A Thai group that had locations all over the country, including SoCal, was taken down a few years ago, and they were charged with trafficking in addition to soliciting and promoting prostitution.  It turns out the trafficking did not stick because the girls signed up to come here, knowing they would do sex work, were advanced money for breast implants and transportation costs to get here, and then signed a contract to work until they had paid back the advanced funds.  The trafficking case fell apart because the girls could leave anytime they wanted, but they would have to repay the loans working minimum-wage jobs, and they would be BL'd from the agencies if they left before they paid, leaving becoming an indie as the only choice to keep making the big money, so they elected to stay in order to pay off the loans faster.  Therefore, it was a straight prostitution bust and NOT trafficking, even though the girls were under a loan obligation.  Once the loan was paid, the girl gets to keep the implants, so what is wrong with that?

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 61 reads
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30 / 40

much about this business, you would have been better off just keeping quiet.  How is setting the record straight and  telling the truth to counter speculation, lies and misinformation considered "white knighting."  You had to throw that out there as a desperate attempt to double down on your bullshit claims.  That's weak even by your standards.  I agree it is what it is, just as I reported it.  What it ISN'T, is what you are claiming.  You're just been out of it too long and you have no idea what the current state of the business is like.   You haven't seen a Kgirl in years, so you have no personal first-hand knowledge of how it works in the present.  The girls have much more power over their own business now than they did 15 years ago.  If you knew that, you would not have said what you said.  Doubling down on it just makes you look even further out of the loop.  Sorry, old friend, it is what it is, but not what you think.

Hpygolky 233 Reviews 53 reads
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31 / 40

How would you know if I haven't seen a Kgirl in years?,,,,Oh wait, maybe you do know, after all you are their pimp/booker so maybe you do know...lol
Hey, but if you want to continue to "pimp" the girls here, so be it.....I'm done with this. It is what it is, and it hasn't changed..
And I'll be a gentleman and let you have the last work...

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 61 reads
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and utter surrender.  You have reached a point where you don't know enough about the CURRENT Kgirl scene to continue to argue with me on this topic.  Wise move.  There are many FORMER Kgirl customers from 10-15 years ago who have retired from the Kgirl scene and have the same view as you that nothing has changed in the business in the last 15 years.  They probably think gas is still $1.25 a gallon, too, now that they drive a scooter.  Lol    There were monumental changes after CV closed in early 2018 and TER went dark for 20 months.   Girls don't get "shipped" anywhere.  They are self-employed and work where and when they want to, just like indies who tour.

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 54 reads
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Well, yes. I think anyone who has meddled in the biz knows that the traff!cking and women as victims claims were bs.

 
We all know most of these girls went to work elsewhere a few weeks after this blew over.

 
I thought you were interested in how the thing went down, and have Googled all the relevant articles beforehand.

ShorelineAmpVIP 85 reads
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35 / 40

Your account is very consistent with info available from other sources. Rampant narcissistic egos and the attraction of being in "the business" came back to bite them in the ass.

SLAmpVIP

gameami 1 Reviews 44 reads
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Posted By: coeur-de-lion
These girls wait in a queue for a chance to come here and work after they are furloughed out of the salon business due to age.  Understand?  There is a waiting list of Kgirls who want to come here and do sex work.  How is that trafficking?  ...
That's trafficking by definition..
 
...the girls signed up to come here, knowing they would do sex work, were advanced money for breast implants and transportation costs to get here, and then signed a contract to work until they had paid back the advanced funds.  ...
 

Again, trafficking by definition,  FMTY is trafficking and if the travel crosses state lines, a violation of the Mann Act of 1910.  The consent of the person being trafficked is not a defense.  There are ALSO laws against forced trafficking.  But even without force or coercion and even with the consent of the trafficked human, it is still illegal, just under a different statute.

Keith Raniere, for example, was sentenced to 120 years for crimes including the sex trafficking of women who were willing participants in his 'program'.  Heck, they even paid to participate in the program.

Also, here in the United States, a clause in a contract that requires sexual service is considered to be unconscionable and therefore unenforceable.  

I suppose one could find a pimp or two who would advance your arguments but not any attorney who wants to keep his license.

gameami 1 Reviews 62 reads
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18 U.S. Code § 2421 - Transportation generally

(a) In General.—
Whoever knowingly transports any individual in interstate or foreign commerce, or in any Territory or Possession of the United States, with intent that such individual engage in prostitution, or in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.
(b) Requests To Prosecute Violations by State Attorneys General.—
(1) In general.—
The Attorney General shall grant a request by a State attorney general that a State or local attorney be cross designated to prosecute a violation of this section unless the Attorney General determines that granting the request would undermine the administration of justice.
(2) Reason for denial.—
If the Attorney General denies a request under paragraph (1), the Attorney General shall submit to the State attorney general a detailed reason for the denial not later than 60 days after the date on which a request is received.
(Added Pub. L. 114–22, title III, § 303, May 29, 2015, 129 Stat. 255.)

gameami 1 Reviews 41 reads
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Posted By: badger48

   
 Have you actually seen a trafficked Kgirl and if you did why didn't you help her?  
 Or did you hear it from someone else or is it speculation? ^^!
I suppose there might a K-girl who made her own arrangements to travel and works here.  But I would hazard a guess that almost all use an agency and continue to work with agencies here.  That is how trafficking is defined.  Some state laws may make force or coercion necessary elements of the crime but not federal law.  Agencies are traffickers by definition.  

Remember Eliot Spitzer?  He was facing federal trafficking charges for paying one working girl to cross state lines.  Of course he cut a deal to avoid federal prosecution.

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 40 reads
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Cdl should have a good amount of law knowledge here

Posted By: gameami
Re: This is completely wrong and some . . .  
Posted By: coeur-de-lion
These girls wait in a queue for a chance to come here and work after they are furloughed out of the salon business due to age.  Understand?  There is a waiting list of Kgirls who want to come here and do sex work.  How is that trafficking?  ...
That's trafficking by definition..  
   
...the girls signed up to come here, knowing they would do sex work, were advanced money for breast implants and transportation costs to get here, and then signed a contract to work until they had paid back the advanced funds.  ...
 
   
 Again, trafficking by definition,  FMTY is trafficking and if the travel crosses state lines, a violation of the Mann Act of 1910.  The consent of the person being trafficked is not a defense.  There are ALSO laws against forced trafficking.  But even without force or coercion and even with the consent of the trafficked human, it is still illegal, just under a different statute.  
   
 Keith Raniere, for example, was sentenced to 120 years for crimes including the sex trafficking of women who were willing participants in his 'program'.  Heck, they even paid to participate in the program.  
   
 Also, here in the United States, a clause in a contract that requires sexual service is considered to be unconscionable and therefore unenforceable.  
   
 I suppose one could find a pimp or two who would advance your arguments but not any attorney who wants to keep his license.

36363jensen 4 Reviews 37 reads
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I think this is one of those discussion where the term "trafficking" causes some confusion. "Trafficking" can be used very generally meaning to simply engage in some type of activities (trafficking in drugs, sex, other smuggling activities) and it can be used to mean a very harsher activity such as most think of when they connect it with sexual enslavement where the person is largely held hostage and forced in to performing the sex. It can also be used whether or not jurisdictional or international boarders are used.

 
Moving around would seem to be the common aspect and the rest needs to be clarified when discussing particular cases.

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