K-girls

This example distills it down . . .
Twoontuesday 11 Reviews 1781 reads
posted
1 / 30

Anime Girls Rock!

One of my monger bros recently sessioned with Ellie at LSC.  He said 'Twoon, I finally get it!  You've been talking about anime girls for years and I couldn't relate.  But I sessioned with Ellie yesterday and I totally get it now!  Ellie is an anime kgirl!!!'. I agree Ellie is an anime kgirl; she's also a sweetheart.  Alot of mongers are gonna have to find a new ATF when she ultimately moves on.  But until then my monger bros...

My example is Shiro, my # 1 anime jgirl.

LaLa and Bora are my anime kgirls.

YMMV

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Twoontuesday 11 Reviews 196 reads
posted
2 / 30

TER ID # 347769

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team_rocket_qwerty 156 reads
posted
3 / 30

Was this monger bro Burton? :)

I've heard great things about Ellie. Sounds like a service queen!

Twoontuesday 11 Reviews 167 reads
posted
4 / 30

Hey Rocketbro

Nope, not Burton.  Haven't heard from Burton since I transitioned over to TER. I'm looking forward to him joining and his input is spot on and valuable.  He's got his finger on the pulse of the Scene in Reno for those who have interest in a little gambling and sucking and fucking.  Or is it fucking and sucking??!!

Indeed...Ellie is a service Queen!  👍

This in network monger bro was a well known poster at Nuerotic Donkey.  He hasn't chosen to post here yet but my two other main network monger bros do post from time to time and review here now exclusively.

Fuck George and his bullshit website!!! How do I really feel about Nuerotic Donkey??!!

😁

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team_rocket_qwerty 152 reads
posted
5 / 30

Got it. Yeah I've came into contact with Burton on RM, we talked for a bit via pm.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 156 reads
posted
6 / 30

is no good.  Anybody got a new one, so we can see who you're referring to?

Twoontuesday 11 Reviews 219 reads
posted
8 / 30

Queen LaLa has returned!

Does schtick count as anime?!?!

Probably Papa babo snitched that I was advertising for her and TER mod took down my thread.  Boo hoo!  No, I was sharing with my monger bros My Queen's return.

I've stated before and I'll state it again --) I am a monger and not involved in the biZ!!!

SweetAngels.ch

One monger PM me that's she's advertised now as GFE not PSE.  I haven't sessioned with her in months but she's always GFE MSOG with no rules for me.

YMMV

36363jensen 4 Reviews 170 reads
posted
9 / 30

Well we DO have Shill Fridays for that type of "sharing" information. It doesn't really matter if you are involved with the business or not to me -- though that would probably be yet another rules violation if you were.

Twoontuesday 11 Reviews 159 reads
posted
10 / 30

Let me set the record straight...

A shill is a deceiver who profits directly from the deception of the intended audience.  I neither deceive or benefit from 'promoting' one of my beloved kgirls.

I am pro monger; in this instance letting my Nor Cal monger brothers know what's up!  No shilling going on here kgirl mod!!!!  As such, the thread titled 'My Queen' should be reinstated.  Rocketbro even gave that thread the Rocketbro seal of approval and there is no monger on TER more pro monger than him!

What say you mod bro?!?!

I'm fine with whatever the kgirl mod decides; Papa babo is a liar and a perhaps a snitch too; and as such, should not be rewarded by the kgirl mod.  

I appreciate the latitude I have been granted with the threads I have created for our common good by the TER kgirl mod.

YMMV

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36363jensen 4 Reviews 138 reads
posted
11 / 30

Shill threads

A Shill Thread is a thread that is started with a post that is praise, thanks, or a recommendation for a certain provider for reasons of self-interest, personal benefit, or *out of friendship or loyalty*.  [Emphasis added]

That the admin are allowing your praise of the girls that seems very shillish to me is not that surprising -- TER tends not to over moderate. Just look at the flame wars that take place. ALL of them technically could be see as violations of posting policies. TER tends to err on the side of permissiveness over censorship.

 
Friday shill day

    Shills (not ad) from hobbyists, for their favorite provider of the week, are allowed on Fridays
    Only started by a hobbyist
    Must contain link to Provider's profile (this helps others find her); no pic
    Exception:  if a new provider, (no TER reviews), the hobbyist can shill provided he submits a review within 72 hrs (Violators of this policy will lose their message posting privileges)
    Posted no earlier than 1am (local time)
    Comments are allowed from all, but should not be negative, start a new discussion or be ads from/for a provider

 
In your prior comment (linked) you admit that the admins took down a prior thread. I assume that means you are reposting as a comment now rather than a new thread. If so the thread probably would have been allowed on Friday and perhaps that is why it was disallowed by the admins rather than someone reporting it (though they would probably get a day or two VIP for doing so.)

Twoontuesday 11 Reviews 164 reads
posted
12 / 30

You have been supportive of the threads I start Jensen; and your input is appreciated and valued!

That being said, I respectfully disagree with your assessment that I'm shilling for any kgirl.  

Look up the definition of shilling.  There is an element of deception and direct financial gain by said shiller.  IMO, TER has the definition of shilling wrong if a monger 'promotes' a working girl to let his brothers know she's taking appointments.  But same shit goes for 'hobbyist' rather than us being mongers.  A hobbyist can paint model airplanes or restore antiques.  A monger buys delicious pussy.

YMMV

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coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 135 reads
posted
13 / 30

is that, even though we all like to talk about our favorites, there is a line in the sand that is defined by the TER rule he pasted into his post.  So we are bound by TER's definition of shilling and not our own.  I don't see anything wrong with your post, but you do give praise to some girls.  If BoardAdmin views it as a shill, then the ENTIRE THREAD will come down and the OP has been responsible for wasting the time of every poster that added to the thread.  That's why I don't often participate in these kinds of threads.  There have been too many instances where I take 20 minutes to add my perspective, and then a few days later, its all gone.  Jensen wasn't being critical, he was just reminding you to be circumspect when starting a thread to keep it in generalities and avoid praising specific girls, lest you run afoul of the TER posting guidelines.  If you do it on Fridays as he explains and write a review by the weekend you can praise them all you want and others are limited as far contradictory or negative comments about her on your thread.  

GaGambler 156 reads
posted
14 / 30

and it would hardly be the only thing they have gotten wrong over the years, but like it or not it is TER's board and they are entitled to go by the definition that they want to use and here is the only definition of a shill post that counts here.

 

"Shill threads
A Shill Thread is a thread that is started with a post that is praise, thanks, or a recommendation for a certain provider for reasons of self-interest, personal benefit, or out of friendship or loyalty. Starting a new thread with a Shill Post is not allowed by TER because such threads are considered extra "advertising" above & beyond what each provider is allowed each week.

Shill Threads are not allowed, and will be removed.

Mini-Reviews posted according to the Posting Guidelines are not considered to be Shill Posts.

Responses to a current thread that refers to a provider with positive comments about that provider is okay, as long as the comment is pertinent to the topic at hand."

 

This definition of what constitutes a shill post aside, I do have some good news for you, TER is notorious for it's selective enforcement of it's own rules and one "loophole" so to speak is that shill posts on this board are usually at least tacitly permitted, and TER rarely takes K-Girl shill posts down as long as they are confined to the K-Girl board. I can't speak to the enforcement or lack thereof might be influenced by a K-Girl hater with Dead Fish Breath who might take it on his own to whine about every shill post to Admin, but "usually" shill posts on this board are at least "tolerated" even if not technically allowed. I think you beef is (as usual) with BLPOS and not with Jensen or even TER admin.

36363jensen 4 Reviews 145 reads
posted
15 / 30

TER's definition may well be wrong, but as said by others it is their board (and they get to enforce how they choose).

 
The point I think you miss here is that shilling here covers both the having a self-interest and simply promoting with no significant person gain. The commonality here is that it functions as a advertising aspect for the provider. Your posts here do, in fact, function in that manner and are not in response to any inquiries from other monger.  The proactive element and the positive affect for the provider make it a shill post.  

I think TER's approach here is sensible as there are clearly many ways someone can derive a direct financial benefit without ever being paid for their actions.  Part of that problem then comes in the form of if you are doing this because you just like seeing them but then they start giving you additional anything -- longer stays, better attention, additional services, perhaps discounts (which is not much different than the longer stay but more clear).  

 
As you noted though, it seems you did have a thread taken down as a shill post not occurring on a Friday (I assume) so either that post went even farther in the "this is an ad" view for the admins or perhaps the number of those types of posts seem to have crossed a threshold. Never saw it so.... But, particularly if the latter was driving the response considering, Friday's for posts praising a provider might avoid any confusion.  

 
I will also add that even though I would say many of your posts can be seen as shill in the TER definition they are not something to be concerned about or call you out on in a negative manner as I don't think you are trying to lie about the experience someone might expect. I also find some entertaining and a welcome break from some of the other discussion here.

team_rocket_qwerty 151 reads
posted
16 / 30

To be fair, twoon, shilling is not necessarily done for direct financial gain. In general it can be someone with direct affiliation to a product/service/person they're shilling. Otherwise, "paid shill" would be an oxymoron.  

Even in some cases it became synonymous with being a "homer". This is how ter uses it for shill fridays I think.  

Also, technically I did not explicitly gave that thread approval, I gave Lala my stamp of approval :) She's an energizer bunny.

I actually don't think it's a terrible policy. Having threads being focused on one girl can go wrong. I think if you frame it differently, like ask a question etc, ie don't make it appear like you're advertising her, you might have better success.  

Threads that look like blatant advertisements are kinda looked down on, and rightfully so. I know you didn't have the intent to, but it is what it is.

GaGambler 192 reads
posted
17 / 30

This is an example of what is acceptable.

K-Girl seeker    "Has anyone seen Lola?"

 
Twoon,    "Yes I have, she is the greatest girl you will ever meet, RUN, don't walk to go see her and do it NOW!!!"

 
That is NOT a shill post.

 
Now if you make an OP like the one below, THIS would be a shill post as an OP.

 
Twoon.    "I just got done seeing Lola and she was great"  

 

Note to Twoon, if you REALLY want to make a post telling your brothers how great one of your favorite girls is, just have one of your buddies make an ISO post about her and then you are free to gush over her to your hearts content without worrying about having your post rejected/removed.

36363jensen 4 Reviews 142 reads
posted
18 / 30

giving lessons on how to create Monger ThreADs now? LOL

 
GaG's correct there are lots of ways to get around the rules on questionable technicalities. I would hope we don't need to go there as there are plenty of good ways to share such information.

1) As appropriate in a response from someone asking about someone -- either to clarify reviews that might be in question or conflicting or no review exists.

2) Take advantage of the Shill Friday option.

3) Post the mini-review and then the review to get word out about a good experience.

4) PM to friends or even every K-Girl poster you are aware of.

5) Discussions about specific services that come up and who are the better providers.

 
We have plenty of opportunities to give a hat-tip to a good provider you've seen without really approaching the shill post level.  

 
Personally I prefer the more honest "I really like X, she is awesome. Go see her if you have a chance." mild shill post (assuming you REALLY mean what you're saying) over the lets play a game to get around a rule I don't like.

team_rocket_qwerty 150 reads
posted
19 / 30

I also think the mild shill post is acceptable, but also can see how it can turn slippery slope. If one can do it for one girl, then this means that anyone can do it for any girl. And that can turn ugly fast, maybe not on this kgirl subforum, but on other subforums for sure.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 158 reads
posted
20 / 30

to the basics.  There should be no confusion after GaGa's example.  If someone leads with an ISO, after that, its all fair game.

GaGambler 161 reads
posted
21 / 30

It's what TER rules permit, and the "mild shill post" regardless of how any of us feel about it is still a shill post and therefore still against TER rules. That doesn't mean that Admin is going to pull every or even any of them, TER is not known for evenhanded enforcement of their own rules, especially in this era of board moderation via RAP, but TER "could" and by the rules "should" be disallowing those shill posts regardless of how we think about them.

 
Part of the reason TER has ad boards is to keep the discussion boards from being cluttered with ads, the same thing applies to shill posts, although I will concede I think shill posts add a lot more to the board than this constant sniping by BLPOS, who's ONLY purpose seems to distract everyone here from talking about actual K-Girls.

Twoontuesday 11 Reviews 154 reads
posted
22 / 30

Thanks everyone for your guidance and support!  I've got my problemas, but I'm well intentioned.

I think this thread will help other refugees understand the rules of TER thread creation for the common good of those of us who enjoy kimchi flavored delicious pussy!!!!

Now if we can only get Papa babo a session with Ms Pepsi, all will be well in the world...

YMMV

team_rocket_qwerty 192 reads
posted
23 / 30

I don't know how you concluded that I don't get that it doesn't matter what we think in this case. I pretty much say as much, and in fact I conclude it's not a bad policy because of slippery slope.  

 

While I might know that twoon is not a shill, I can't say the same for accounts I don't know. There's a reason why ads are not allowed on these forums. And it's a good reason. Keeping ads, pseudo ads  anything that might look like ads and discussion separated.

GaGambler 193 reads
posted
24 / 30

I am simply trying to clarify the TER rules, while you are Jensen are discussing whether or not you agree with the rule. That's what I mean by "it doesn't matter what WE think"

 
Both of you commented about whether or not you were personally ok with the rules without addressing Twoons issue about having his "shill posts" disallowed.  How we want things is often a VERY different discussion than "how things are" TER is not asking our permission about how to write or enforce the rules, hence my comment. Twoon was arguing that his post was NOT a "shill post" I simply want to point out and to make it very clear that "according to TER" that yes his post was indeed a shill post by TER's definition, the only one that counts on this board.

team_rocket_qwerty 168 reads
posted
25 / 30

I'm OK with it. On the last board I was on, there was little moderation and some people would go ahead and shamelessly advertise or post daily lineups (even tho there was a whole separate subforum for ads) before I started moderating stuff via a security hole.

 

Twoon can literally post about Lala in any of his threads or make another one that isn't just worship.

I don't think anyone wants to see daily lineups thread on here or pimps advertising their product, pretending to be mongers. Well, can't really speak for others, but at least that's my assumption.

GaGambler 153 reads
posted
26 / 30

That said, although the boards are not as actively moderated as they once were, RAP does have it's place here and "if" the board starts becoming overrun by thinly veiled ads by pimps or pseudo pimps you are not only free to RAP, but you are encouraged to do so and I can assure you that I will be doing the exact same thing as I have seen boards that are nothing but ads and all actual discussion gets lost.

 
I think most of us, one certain malcontent aside, wants this board to be a free flowing source of mongers sharing info with each other, info both about great girls and ones not so great.

36363jensen 4 Reviews 162 reads
posted
27 / 30

I started by pointing out the actual rule. What I was saying next had not thing to do with agreement or not but rather the view that IF one is going to violate the rule just do it openly and not play games to get around it.

Now, I don't actually believe you, GaG, were really advocating the budy-system for rules violations plan. I think you were just points out one of many options a person could consider. I just thought it a bad suggestion to include.

Twoontuesday 11 Reviews 152 reads
posted
28 / 30

Back at NotAMPmaps, Frank and Muff were the mods.  At Nuerotic Donkey, George was the mod.  I was free to create and regulate my own threads.  I prolly wrote about 200 reviews.

Here at TER, threads are created for the common good of our niche community.  I'm cool with that.

I appreciate the feedback and enjoy the banter.  I'll refrain from promoting and stick to Tales, strategy and general positive ways to improve our collective game.

Many thanks to TER and my monger brothers.

YMMV

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 183 reads
posted
29 / 30

You can promote with a "back door" approach.  (When I say "back door" I'm not saying you can freely promote girls that offer anal.  Lol)

useyrhead 4 Reviews 167 reads
posted
30 / 30

Ι think Pap’s purpose is a bit different than you stated. How effective he is at that purpose is an entirely different discussion.
From what I read of his posts over the years, it seems the common thread is anything he can think of that has even a remote chance of disrupting the kgirl agencies’ business. With the additional intent of simple self promotion.
When he’s not self promoting or defending his “reputation”, he’s always trying to damage the reputation and/or reduce the appeal of kgirls in general.
Still, that’s just my opinion. Any and all are free to disagree.

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