I'm looking to get back in the water and was viewing my favorites list.  One is Darby who I'm interested in meeting.  I read a few recent reviews to see if anything has changed with her and the consensus in all her reviews is that she's pretty good looking, getting mostly 8s and 7s with couple of 9s.  But, one reviewer gave her 2 points for looks!  "Ugly".  I haven't seen her yet, but geez!  Within his review he stated that he gave a bad review to Rebecca, but Darby was worse so he had to give her a lower score.  He rated Rebecca in looks with a 3 ("Homely") and claims she's 45+.   Now, I've met Rebecca and she's very attractive, no question and she's still  considered top tier as far as I know.  I haven't seen her lately, but if the recent reviews are any indication, Rebecca still has it in the looks department.  If Rebecca is in her 40s, she looks incredible.  When I met her 40s didn't come to my mind at all.  Reading his Rebecca review it could seem like a hatchet job more than just having a bad time.  Just my opinion.

This has been a continuing problem for a lot of us trying to make sense of reviews.  Looks and Service are supposed to be independent, but as you pointed out, its pretty common for  guys who have a bad session to also complain about her looks.   I have seen a handful of girls that were 9's in looks, but the service was bad.  Its hard to tell if this is just complacency on the part of the Kgirl because they know they are hot looking and that's the main reason guys are seeing them, so they don't put that much effort into the service.  

I think one of the big problems mongers have is that they review like it's yelp. When we review on yelp, there's a documented tendency to rate attributes on some kind of logarithmic curve, where we downplay negatives and give an RA a 9 instead of a ten if we think she's ugly or fat or whatever.

My understanding is that for reviews to be helpful they should give truthful info and an honest rundown of the session! I can see where lack of chemistry/connection could bring down an appearance score, maybe a point! But, it should be explained. When you help a monger out by giving an honest review, they in turn help you out, by giving truthful info in their reviews! I've been with Darby, she does not rate a 2!!

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Well, for context he did mention that he was comparing them to legends of yesteryear. Maybe the recent lack of quality coupled with nostalgia and high standards is the answer here?

Makes all sense in the world to me.  

5 is defined as average in performance.  For looks 5 is Plain -- I suppose you might say that is average but ...

Average usually refers to the arithmetic mean.  

"If you look at the *specific descriptions* given on TER with the number ratings you see that 5 is average. "

I did not think he was referring to specific wording of "average" spelled out. Only now I got what you meant and what your point was.

I'm not following this too well, either. On the review form for Performance,  
1 = A total ripoff ... 4 = She just laid there  
***5 = Average***
6 = Nice time ... 10 = One in a lifetime.
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(For Appearance, 5 = Plain.)
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According to the "meaning" or "intention" of the database definitions, 5 is supposed to be Average. However, if you take the average of all 1,654,844 Reviews, which I am NOT going to do, the average of the scores (data) is probably NOT 5 or even 5.5. The "average" score is probably something higher.  
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But my main reason for replying is the ask what the "A" in TATTT is. "TSTTT" is usually "too stupid to talk to." From the general topic, my first guess is "too average to talk to." Am I right?

For a scale of 1-10, the average would be 5.5

A is for Argumentative.

I think your bit about averaging out all the reviews for a given provider -- or even the entire TER database to get that mean/average number is the only sense in which we should be talking about average in that sense.

That's a pretty naive view tbh. First, the data collected of average review scores, says more about how people tend to grade - and if large analysis is performed, it would certainly showcase that people try to grade differently than what TER mandates.  

I’ve never seen a working kgirl who deserves below a 5. Anything below a 5 is essentially some degree of ugly as I understand it. With a 1 being so bad that she looks like she’s been smoking crack and living on the street for a few years.

I don't think below five is some degree of ugly at all. And I definitely don't see what "deserving" has tod o with grading scale of people. Now of course, for many people the scale really only starts at five, and they want to to treat it as "shit sux" in my picture above.  

I realized that I should post the actual text from the TER review guidelines for those who may be confused by some of the misinformed info that is frequently posted here by various trolls. Here you go:

And then attempts to link a crackhead to the score of 1,not once but twice.  

A fun thing about the TER number ratings.  

bigger issue is overrating (8s 9s and 10s) just because a nice connection was made with the provider.  i think it happens most frequently with the older ones.  if the reviewer's preference is milf or gilf they should state that when rating one a 8 9 or 10.  lots of grannys in the OC with 8s and 9s.

Many have tried to fix this. Only those who have stuck to a case by case basis have succeeded at accomplishing anything, in my experience.

And this has been a problem on TER since the site was created, and not just with K-Girls.

The current TER Poll shows a similar behavior as you suggest (but doesn't mention just how much an impact). Accuracy of the photo will influence both grading of looks and performance for some.  Why? Don't know -- but seems to be a human behavioral trait.

Here's what I read under general details of one review

..objective analysis in a highly subjective system.

Note: I am not saying that a better solution than our current numeric ratings exists. I am simply pointing out that it’s usefulness can only go so far due to its inherent and unavoidable shortcomings.

a ten-foot debate thread, but in my humble opinion, I already have a better system and I'm sticking with it.  Lol

I get that, but my question was a bit more nuanced in terms of why the very top of the scale is considered mundane, but the bottom is not.

who is in the top ten percent of all the girls I have seen, but in practice, the number of tens I have given to date falls short of ten percent because the past couple of years the supply of NEW 10's has been less.  I think part of it is because the orgs are recruiting more BBFS girls and the girls that are DDG know they don't have to go there to make good money.  

a reasonable representative sample of your sessions, I'm wondering just where you would guess your scores would be.  

100% of my appearance scores would be in the 7 to 9 range. Why? Because I will and have walked if the door opens and I see a kgirl below my opinion (emphasis on this being *my* opinion) of a girl who deserves a 7 in appearance. Including my bias for slim girls.  

I'd be careful answering this.

I believe you covered it very well in your post about a guy's particular likes and dislikes or preferences that can sway a score higher or lower within an imperfect scoring "system".  I was going to attempt to write something, but you nailed it.

Exactly!  

I mean, those who tend to make a girl look and sound better than she really is, will continue to do so.
And vice versa.  

Bull Shit. What everyone said was that your batting average was well below what others experienced so questioned your claims about how all the reviews were inflated and how all the evil "orgs" were come to subvert TERs database with fake reviews. The "lack or credibility" you claim was applied to you was your insistence that your experience was representative of everyone else's.

I don’t know what R claimed above. But your response is completely on target with what happened at the time you are describing.

I will have to agree with useyrhead and say that I very rarely see any provider who rates less than a "TER 7" (probably a 5 on the GAGA scale) and on the rare occasions that I do, just like him I walk from the session.

Nope, incorrect. My entire credibility in kgirl world as a monger was questioned by you and others when I presented my "batting average". And yes, it was questioned because most others have a higher average, and this is what I referred to as argumentum ad populum. Appeal to masses/majority.  

Now you are just arguing semantics, or more accurately, arguing just to be argumentative.

Just because it's irrelevant to you, doesn't mean it's irrelevant to anyone else.

Looks like many people thought she was far below a five even on a TER scale. And shes a kgirl.  

And yet when I suggest just that type of result from reviews you seems to think me naive.  But certainly don't change your habit of always misreading anything I write so you can pidgin-hole me into your unshakeable view of me as some agency boy or shill.

I certainly never called you an agency boy or a shill.

Negative reviews work for you perfectly, ok.

I have never said that what makes (made) the DMV market work is working via some internal feedback and not writing reviews of bad providers.

Maui, It's funny how you ignore me yet want to have a conversation with me. Either take me off your  
ignore or don't reply directly to me... this one way channel thing is annoying.  

So if you hypothetically saw Bryce, you would also write a negative review? Well, that's encouraging to hear then. Or did I misread it and you still wouldn't write it, arguing that it is as good as no review at all.  

Whenever the R-troll starts with his misquoting schtick, I would suggest just ignoring him. Failing that, go back and reread whatever he is R-quoting (it needs it’s own name, because it is never actual quoting). For those who remember them, his R-quotes are a far less entertaining imitation of the old Fractured Fairy Tales.

The thread isn't mine, and it's not a troll thread.

And the funniest thing? People who claim I despise positive reviews cannot be more wrong. I am fine with any kind of reviews as long as they are truthful  
and publicly accessible.  

Now take out all the words I didn't write and remove the spin you put on things to meet with your view and you might be close to restating what I was saying.

This got two nested responses from the R-troll who seems to be the only one genuinely interested in this thread.

Just when I thought you wrote a great response without accusations, you go back and accuse me of again misquoting you.

I hope some of them can chime in.

I was going to see her, but didn't because of the sub-par reviews. Maybe it's just me, but negative reviews are more of a deterrent to me than no reviews, because I view the latter as being a more opportunistic situation. Not to mention that some reviews take a day or two to post and coupled with the possibility of them being submitted after the provider has been here for a while, means that having no reviews doesn't amount to much, in my experience.

Right. Many mongers also post reviews a bit later than the date they went, to make sure they are not recognized by the org in terms of their monger persona and handle here. I mean, even the concept of toftt means seeing a girl with no reviews and reporting back.

So, so many times I’ve found negative reviews to be skewed by a particular monger’s specific preferences and experience. As long as there are also some verifiable (I can talk to the reviewer) positive reviews that seem to indicate the girl might be a fit for me the negative reviews end up as a positive to me.

Ah yes, if there are 10+ reviews saying the girl is chubby, they are useless in telling something about the girl's appearance... you're right.

and clarify (though I am surprised it might be needed) my position.

You just said that no reviews is just as detrimental to provider as bad reviews.
Ir really isn't, though - a provider loses more money with bad reviews than without them. It's quite simple and it is true in any industry that is reviewed.  

Let us consider a hypothetic scenario where Bryce comes back under the moniker of "Harper" (if you are in DC you should know who Bryce Harper is and hence get the pun)

I see your point.  I suppose that some guys are blinded by the service or scared of some level of blowback to score too low, especially with K-girl bookers. In my early Kgirling days I wasn't afraid at all of giving low scores to anyone because I'd done it before and this is a review site.  Then again, at the time, I never met a Kgirl that warranted a low score.  A few or more years in, reading the LA forum here and reading about experiences other guys had, I did pause a couple of times about how I might be affected, if at all, by giving a lower score (not below a 5) in looks or performance.  Would I get I trouble with a booker for being honest?  I'd read posts on how a 6 or 7 in either category could derail a Kgirl and possibly the monger who posted a "bad" review from being able to book again.  I would never think saying a woman is attractive is a negative.  But, giving a 7 to some providers is a terrible thing, especially when a provider has a page of 10s or mostly 10s.

Well, the part where you say what the fuck, check ter first, I've already addressed elsewhere in this thread. Many people don't publish reviews on the first day, as they're much more likely to be identified by agencies and girls, who do read active forums and reviews sites. So it's quite possible most of those people saw the provider before plethora of negative reviews was available.  

Since there was no response, perhaps I could expand on what I meant here.

Thinking how a girl would react to a review, already makes one impartial imo. Because it means bringing external factors into a review that should attempt to be neutral in terms of bias. You don't think of "how do I say this without being mean" in a positive review, do you?  

Correct. To many edits lol. This is what I get for writing on Sunday night haha

my reviews and posted many times on multiple discussion boards that my preferred range for Kgirl ages is 32-45.  95% of the girls I see are in this range, regardless of what their profile set up by the first reviewer says.  When it comes to my ratings, all of my scores range from 7 (below average) to 10 (top 10% of all girls I have seen).  

Does a girl need to have an actual child to be a "milf"?  if a younger girl (19 yo) has a child, is she a milf?  if a female is 40 and has no kid, is it wrong to call her a milf?  What i refer to as a granny is just a female i put on the next age level.   for clarification, the age threshold where i start to consider a provider a granny is about 45 with certain mannerisms, and body cues.  granny is just the term i use to describe the provider since that's all we can do here is use words and terms.

Is she still a MILF if she doesn't have kids.  I think it depends partly on the age of the customer.  If she has no kids and the guy is in his 20's, maybe she's a cougar and not a MILF.  Lol   I appreciate you not telling who the grannies are.  I already know which ones are granny-aged, but I am unaware of any in OC that actually have a grandchild.