Hi, guys,

I feel you bro.

of a new girl with no TER reviews?  I said it on this board last week . . . . TOFTT is the situation MOST LIKELY to result in a disappointing session.  That's why most of the guys I know that put limitations on their hobby budget for whatever reasons (including snoopy wives - lol) are research hounds and almost NEVER TOFTT.  Leave the speculative sessions of girls FOTB to the guys that are seeing three girls a week.  They can afford to take it on the chin every once in awhile and its not going to be as devastating to them.

...you always give, with a rare 7 here and there.  Where are the reviews of your "disappointing sessions" to give your fellow K-mongers a heads-up?  If you "take it on the chin every once in a while" why don't you post reviews of those sessions?  Maybe you aren't one of those "guys that are seeing three girls a week" as you frequently claim because your post refers to "them" rather than "us."  Sounds like a Freudian slip.

LSC is a private Club now.  I am a member in good standing.  I feel sorry for those who cannot join.

Age off by 10 Years!  You been in this game enough time to know.  

I don’t write bad reviews. Too often they result in anTA who had a bad day getting misrepresented.

...and this is the problem with your approach, when you say "I teach them how to work within the system".

Well, I don't think any pics of any girl actually show cellulite, but that's pretty messed up. Again, I don't know how you guys who care about eye candy do it, this is just throwing rigged dice and them taking your money. The bay also is becoming very MILF-ish. I wish the service would also go up accordingly, but it hasn't.

I will I respond just to smack down the troll, like usual. . . .

I didn't bother to check your reviews.  

Ha ha! I've been familiar with Papa for a while on other boards...I think. Could be wrong. If  it's  the same dude, he don't need no schoolin'.

Well, I know you said you don't write bad reviews, but you would do a good service to others if you ever do... bad reviews are a million times more helpful in weeding out talent. Talking to the org guys after a bad session is like talking to a wall unless you're a VIP monger or whatever Mr tux and such people call himself. Just my two cents.

refuses service to Indians, do you mean software Indians or casino Indians?

keeping risk at a manageable level that I'm comfortable with.  Fortunately, I have a healthy hobby budget, but I still hate throwing away money if I can avoid it.  I don't mind spending a lot as long as  get value for my money.  There is no reason for anyone to "get fucked" consistently.  I know many guys that place a premium on the thrill of the chase, are one and done, and move onto the next new girl.  These guys KNOW they are taking huge risks, but they don't mind, because they are like diamond miners, and will keep digging hoping to be the one to discover the next big diamond.  Even though they expectedly have a high percentage of unsatisfactory sessions, they don't whine, because their hobby style is their OWN choice.  My style  is to try to mitigate and minimize the chances of a bad session.  Nothing is foolproof, so I still get the occasional clunker, but still, I don't whine about it.  Retrospectively, in most cases, I could have avoided the clunker if I had done more research, but that is the tedious part of this hobby, and sometimes, I'm as lazy as the guys who do little or no research.  The difference is, I know who to blame for my momentary lapse in keeping up my protocols, so there is no point in whining about myself.  Blaming it on someone else is just lying to myself and serves no useful purpose.   I applaud the risk takers who know how to live on the edge and enjoy it, but I have no use for guys who shouldn't be risk takers who whine when the dice roll against them.  You roll the dice, you take what comes up.  Limit the risk is my approach because you can't eliminate it completely.  

and a racist Korean??? Say it isn't so. lol

All monger brothers of color are allegedly refused service by Vampire kgirl: Blacks, Pakistanis and Indians from India.  Sometimes I just wanna choke that no good whore when she won't listen to me about her foul rascist mouth.  I am not cool with calling working girls 'whores'; but it's ok on a one off basis...

and she too was trying to pass herself off as 40 something until P 411 change their policy a year or two back that providers could only "fudge their age" by five years, She woke up one day to find her stated age on her P 411 profile changed from around forty to 55, which was still five years off as she was 60 at the time. She immediately changed her profile to "age hidden" lol

That's what she said too!

I have enjoyed working side by side with Koreans for a couple of decades.  
But I have to admit that they are some of the most xenophobic people I’ve ever met.
Just watch a male Korean friend’s reaction when he sees a white guy walking up to a pretty Korean girl.

A bunch of nonsense putting blame on mongers again. Why is it mongers fault if the girl is terrible and she has bad reviews? You put blame on mongers not doing research, but are you holding orgs responsible for selling bad product? Nope. Lol.  

well, the face never matches, but yeah the other stuff sucks. just saying.

my knowledge daily.  Not a day goes by that I fail to get a text from a Newbie asking what to do in a certain situation.  Any of them will tell you that I  give complete (lengthy) responses with real-world solutions to whatever their problem is. This is called mentoring for real results, not pie-in-the-sky about taking down orgs if we're all willing to wait until hell  
freezes over.

From my own experiences with CDL, I can attest to the fact that he does give really helpful advice and does't just give one word answers, but actual examples from his own experiences. I think if a newbie is willing to accept the good news and bad news that comes with this world, CDL is willing to help.  

I would assume the exchange James is talking about was PM so disclosing would be problematic.

I was talking about sacrificing your connections for mongers, not "your time and knowledge". Lol, "sacrificing knowledge" is a good one. Sacrificing means something you value a lot and the loss of which will hurt you. What does "sacrificing" knowledge do ? Any loose lipped guy who has info is "sacrificing knowledge" then.  

I'm glad to hear it. I have no doubts CDL tries to try within the system, but my point was that if there is a point of contention, CDL has shown many times he'll be on the org/girl/booker side rather than the monger, and he values his connections too much.

Hereissome seems to have a penchant for seeking info that is problematic to disclose in one way or another.  Its good you reminded him of the TER rules on PM's.  James knows the PM rules, so I don't think he would have responded anyway.  

Which was why I didn't direct anything towards James. It was just obviously either a question from ignorance or to bait.

Trust me, herissome is definitely looking to bait me. Guy is strangely obsessed with me... go figure

much in the way of evidence that anyone needs to take sides.  You found one disreputable org that just went into business in January in LA that MAY have written four shill reviews, but none others.  there are thousands of Kgirl reviews written for girls at SoCal org.  You have found an outlier to the rule that most orgs do not engage in fake review writing, especially the larger orgs who have been here for years.    

We've been through this about taking sides, once the girl is not good, org will still try to make money and peddle her to the mongers.

the transition from naivete to ignorance.  That's no small feat.  Making conclusory statements without evidence impresses no one.  You keep talking about "the org", but which org are you talking about.  If you are going to make your claim that you are helping people, you need to give them information.  When you keep making vague general conclusions without specific org names or examples, you help no one.  The mongers on TER are much more savvy than your average monger on Donkey.  This is unconvincing.  I'll take it step by step following your format. .  . . .

the other day but decided not to pose the question as I don't think discussion with rocket on this is going anywhere. I think it would be most honest of him to say something like BA Orgs or name the particular agency he is specifically raising the point about.

All of my local Kgirl bro's know about my own scoring system, so they KNOW that if I give a 7 for either looks or service, its tantamount to a DNS recommendation.  As Rocket has noted, I don't do it that often, because for me, 8  is average, and I have seen very few Kgirls in my time as a monger that did not at least meet the bottom threshold for "Average" in my estimation.  I believe its enough to warn guys by saying a girl is "below average" with a 7.  Nothing additionally is gained by beating her up with a 5.  If she it truly terrible, she will get enough 5's from others who didn't get DFK because they had gum disease, and mine won't really matter anyway.  

I literally named two orgs in my post. You chose to ignore this, for whatever reason. They're in your backyard and you bragged about going to one of these bookers birthday parties to me. Here, I'll name them again. M and sexyangels. Lets see you ignore them again. Where am I being vague? I'm name dropping everything and everyone. If you're talking about the tactics I mentioned, that is a very well known tactic in the bay by Sam's org (aa/kga/bgc/etc) and ebk/smk.  

that I should give more 7's to girls I haven't seen yet because some of the ones I already reviewed and gave 7's to may no longer be working (according to you, but you probably mean no longer working in CA).  I stand by my assertion that I can get at least an AVERAGE kgirl session out of almost every Kgirl I end up seeing.  Sometimes I have to be super-charming, which may guys are not, but if you have  social skills with women in general most guys will get at least an average session like  I do.  The ones that are below average are the outliers for me, not the rule.  

In no way I suggested that. I asked how are your 7s helpful to others when most of them don't even work here anymore.

you started recently and has since been taken down?  Good enough?

Here you are again asking for information that was exchanged by PM,  which is against TER rules, and carries the potential consequence of banishment from this site.  You were told this already.   Did you forget, or just a little slow?

Actually I think ALL old school Asians are racist. My mother's family almost disowned her when she married my white father.  

There is a retired Kgirl that I visit for a week in Seoul every year for the last 5 years or so.  The second time I went, we drove out to the country to meet her parents (parents were same age as me, so I was ready for some pushback).  We got there, and they were clearly not going to accept me as a suitable "match" for their daughter (which was far from the kind of FWB relationship we actually have), but it was not because I was 20 years older than her, it was because I wasn't Korean.  She told me on the way back that her mother asked her privately, "Are you having sex?"  She said, "Yes," and her mother then said, "Don't have a baby with him.  It will be ugly."  

In China, Vietnam and Korea, half breeds are looked down on and treated like second class citizens. Even Hines Ward was treated like crap by Koreans until he got famous, but in Thailand they LOVE the mix between Europeans and Thais, it seems like most of their biggest stars have are mixed race.  

completely unrelated but all I could think of when I read the "just different" was the froggy scene from Leathal Weapon (4?)

girl at my gym that is absolutely stunning.  I was trying to get in pants for a long time until she told me she was married.  (Even though she was flirting her ass off until it got to the point we should be fucking).   When I asked her about it, she said neither of her parents had blue eyes but her grandfather was half European.  

BTW, what is up with some non-americanized Asian obsession with the blonde/blue eye look? I've had more than one kgirl sigh and say they wish they had blue eyes like me and not brown ones. During a session. I've initially dismissed it as some kind of small talk and an alley oop fishing for compliments, but clearly there's more to it, since it happened multiple times.

You never know, but maybe the ugly part wasn't related to race.  My almost 37 young son is a product of me and my late/RIP Korean wife (she wasn't a K-girl). I think I'm better looking than him, or at least I was 30 years ago.

Koreans and Japanese are some of the most racist people on Earth LMAO. We'll never act on it, but boy do we hate black people. Only difference is that Korean people's racism is more aggressive and direct. Japanese are racist, but more along the lines of stereotypes and indirect racism. Like they will be the one's to make fried chicken and watermelon for a black exchange student because they believe that all black people eat that. Koreans will watch you like a hawk if you go to their restaurant or mini-mart. If you stay too long, be prepared to hear ajjuma tell you to move it.  

I know, RPD, I was always considered a good-looking guy in my youth.  No problem getting women into my bed, but alas, when this happened I was 56 and her daughter was 36, so mom was probably judging by what I look like NOW, compared to her daughter, not then.  Lol

of some of our local OC Kgirls that I have seen in the past who NOW have blue eyes instead of the brown when I saw them.  Blue contacts are becoming popular the last year or so down here.  I have blue also and about six years ago a Kgirl introduced me to her roommate with the phrase, "Don't look at his eyes, they'll melt your pants off."  Lol   You've probably  had yours your whole life, just like me, so its no big deal to us, but Kgirls are infatuated with blue eyes.

Just got duped into seeing Sonya, I am guessing 45 or over, PO told me 25.

I've mostly dated Asian girls during my life (yes, yellow fever a lot),but they were also americanized or at least second generation immigrants. They'd barely mention my eye color,kinda like I'd barely mention theirs even though I do like brown eyes the most. And kgirls fixate on that. Its bizarre. Just weird hearing them talk like that about themselves and obsess over eye color.

My mother was the first person EVER in her family to date a white guy, much less marry one and have a half breed kid (Me). Of course this was over sixty years ago and now about half of my extended family are in interracial relationships with a LOT of half breed kids running around. lol  

I was reluctant to state it as strongly as you did. But this has been my experience as well.  
Though a few Korean and Japanese moms liked me for some reason. I think it was because I was an executive with a cool title (it probably didn’t hurt that I was slimmer and very young looking back then and that Asian blindness caused many of them to accuse me of looking like Brad Pitt). I’ve always hated titles. So I generally just put “Director” on my business cards. I figured if they needed to know more about what I did, they could ask. In Asia, that ended up going over pretty well. Though I never really figured out why.

The Hines Ward issue is such BS, it pissed me off. Fortunately it helped break the stigma about black people and mixed-race Koreans, but it took a fucking celebrity and a Super Bowl to do so. Goes to show just how sad Korea's celebrity worship is... no social issues take place unless a celebrity is at the forefront. It's BS. People were asking for his autograph and pictures with him and they knew NOTHING about football. If he wasn't a Super Bowl winner, you can guarantee he would've been dismissed as just another half-breed.  

Asians LOVE titles. I'm not joking. Even at a Korean church, there's political drama because somebody wants a title lol. In Korean, almost every position in a company has a title and it's always referred to when talking to someone. Even an assistant is considered a title and when someone calls out to them, they will refer to them as "Assistant Lee" for example.

during the recent riots in LA that were masquerading as "peaceful protests", Korean business owners learned from their past mistakes and owners and employees patrolled the roofs of their commercial buildings in Ktown with AR-15s at the ready.  The marchers gave them a wide berth.  The only ones that got looked were those that were closed and not boarded up with no one on the premises.  

This happened even back during Rodney King riots. Plenty videos of Koreans defending their property from back then and being on a roof with weapons. Id imagine ar-15s are pretty illegal now in Cali and you can get a long sentence for even carrying it.

post you have put up on this board that had any useful information gleaned from the hundreds . . . . er, I mean FIVE Kgirls you saw in 2017.  Surely you remember SOMETHING from one of them that would be useful to others here.

judging from the number of PM's I get.  Whether you find them useful is of no consequence if  the last time you saw a Kgirl was 2017.  What's the problem now?  Can't pass screening?

So funny how obsessed you are of me. You actually posted TWO threads specifically about me LMAO. You really need to get a hobby. I like how you're only attack on me is from a shitty experience I had with a kgirl that was way past her prime, doesn't care about her body, has a shitty reputation among other kgirls, and is absolutely full of herself lol.  

Submit the problem report for the profile?

Damn you are in love with that word discretion lol. What have I done that is so non-discrete? I post reviews and talk about my experiences.... OMG, SOOO MUCH EXPOSURE!!! Have I ever mentioned what incall they work out of? What city they work in? Nope, nothing. Yet for some reason you're so butthurt about something that I'll never really quite understand.  

moment of clarity and intelligence.  I will return the compliment by saying you are not a COMPLETE loser after all.  

1.   You don't say WHICH "friend" you are talking about, but I assume it might be the man you are stalking here.  (Most guys on this board who are stalkers stalk Kgirls, but to each his own.  Some guys like tacos, some guys like sausage. What else can I say.)  My answer is whatever James wants public about his time with providers will be in his reviews.  Even assuming your statement is correct, which I'm not conceding it is since you have no link, because I don't know, but there are MANY providers in the last four-five months that are not kissing their clients during Covid-19.  He has spent this time seeing porn stars, not Kgirls, and indies are the group that have been most often taking kissing off the menu since the Covid outbreak.

I’m very confused here.
The fix to the problem is quite easy: video call the provider.  
The video NEVER lies  
My 2 cents  
It takes 2 minutes and will give you peaceful of mind.  
😘

I wouldn't ever trust the ebk PO about anything. When they have nerve to go on forums and pretend to be mongers (4th down exposal was hilarious) in order to promote their girls.

Doesn't work with kgirls/korgs. One of the reasons bay area korgs left the previous review platform is because the admin was tired of fake pics and profiles, and instituted video verification procedure.

Nuerotic Donkey instituted a policy where providers needed to get 'verified' to have a review page.  In order to be 'verified', the provider needed to email a selfie with a piece of paper with the date on it.

Yes, first donkey asked for selfie. Better orgs like Dan's org and corgs that didn't mind truthful photos like Asiancat provided them. But then it was not enough, donkey then wanted video verification. So you're not following the whole story. There is nothing particularly bad about asking for truthful photos and videos, imo.

Let's agree to disagree about the nefariousness of MOTHER FUCKER George?  Time will tell Rocketbro...

Hey, I was just trying to get the story straight. I also did not like george changing criteria from selfie to video once some orgs provided pics, and I also did not like all reviews that mongers wrote being removed from public view. I went ahead and confronted him that directly in a thread, also mentioning that security hole in forums. He didn't really reply but also did not ban me.

Rocket is the straightest shooter around and because of that he argues and argues because to him it is what it is and nothing else.  Twoon, you are the peace keeper and one who keeps on recommending the Kgirl with the big rack (cannot remember her many names at Klovers) who looks like Shrek's girlfriend ( not the Diaz version) in her pics .

It's one thing to make fun of your bros, it's another to ridicule.  Me and you are cool Sean.  Hey, I find beauty in these kgirls!!! Gotta be careful at TER to not promote though...

I'm not try to argue here twoon...but with TER id #, it's actually tougher because sometimes the escort page doesn't have links attached, for example that Vicky profile did not have any identifying info on it besides phone #. and TER already does not have pics stored (in that regard, donkey was better, as it still has pics on file for all the girls) so it's tough for me to say this is the correct profile just off girl name and reviews.  

So please correct me if I'm wrong?  

No idea, sounds reasonable to me though. The other alternative is just assume some profile, but if her number is different and there are no link to pics... will be tough to find her for others.  

This is how the league-type photo archive was so useful. Even on the east coast, I could search a name or do an image search and often find a previous incarnation of my hostess (or pre-hostess, if I was still looking for reviews). My "Coco" in NY was previously "Rico" on the west coast. Rico had great reviews, etc. but, for some reason, wanted to morph into Coco for her NY tour. Go figure.
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I doubt that TER wants to add a photo archive to their site (disk space; bandwidth), but I think that some of you west coast guys should undertake the effort. Host the site in .ch or other country to avoid FOSTA/SESTA and other interference. Thanks!, in advance.

If the Vicky that is back in emeryville is the same one I used to see in San Jose up until a couple of years ago, she is pretty awesome. One of the tightest girls who can still handle a magnum. Or used to be.  
She also kept herself very fit. No flab anywhere.
 I’m an old endurance athlete. Nowhere near as fast as I once was. When she found out I rode my bike a lot she thought it would be fun to ride together, if I could keep up, she said. It never panned out because of my calendar issues, not hers. But she was very confident I’d have a hard time keeping up with her. Or, at worst, that she’d have no problem keeping up. She apparently used to put in quite a few miles herself.

Imp, I tried looking for the convo we've had about photo archive, and I couldn't find it. I know this slightly off topic, but I've actually looked into creating a simple rebrand site that would feed off an image db I would populate manually (large overhead, but since not that many new girls come and stay, updating won't be that bad)

Yep

My beloved Vicky is the kgirl in the thread titled tag team.  She said only one monger in the room at any time.  No means no and she's a sweetheart.

Twoon, you've seen Vicky on this tour already? Can you confirm it's her?