Does anyone know if CA-Kdolls have a separate division in the Bay Area?  Going to spend a few weeks in the area and would be nice if I can get my weekly fix without jumping through hoops.

I did hear somewhere that they were loosely affiliated with a shop or two here, but this is so far down the realm of rumors and unreliable info, I'm afraid I won't be of concrete help. I think you can possibly ask PO that you're heading to the bay and that if he/she has a rec there for someone to see and put in a word.  

 
I know sexyangels openly advertised that they  
provide references to norcal shops.

 
Also I think it's still a lot easier to get approved here with LA refs than in LA with bay refs. A lot of time if they don't like your refs they'll just ask you for id, which I assume you already provided for most LA screenings.

question, but I will suggest how you can get what you want.  Whichever booker in SoCal you have done the most business with, be it K in OC or J in LA, tell them you are going to go to be in the bay area on (dates) and would like to know if they could recommend a Kgirl agency there that would accept a reference from them.  If you're a valued customer, they may be able to smooth the way for you.  This way it avoids the direct question of an "affiliation" which most places do not want to discuss.  This is the best advice I can give without risking alienating the booker you have been dealing with here.  Its a "no-pressure" request.  Hope this helps, TM.

I kinda heard the same rumor

Thx

Most places don't want to discuss affiliation?

 
Hmm, maybe I should discuss them after all.

you better than anybody.  Lol    The problem is, some poor schmuck is going to be refused admission to an org because he reads your post and doesn't know that he should not be throwing it up to the orgs.  If you're really about looking out for newbies as you sometimes claim, you will not give them information that will get them in trouble, only info that will help them succeed.  

Here you go again trying to twist not giving info into a good thing. It is never a good thing to have less info than more info, period. Anyone will want to have as much info available to them as possible in a hobby where info is king.  

 
Stop it,lol. Im not responsible for what others do with info I provide. My goal is to provide as much truthful info as possible. And if it's rumors/not verified info, I will make sure to say so. It will be up to others how they use this info.

 
It's pretty shortsighted for someone who has that info to ask an org first hand about sharing refs with the sister org.  It is imo fne for someone to contact the sister org and ask them to pass screening and provide refs from sister org and another org after they say they're from LA.

 
Tl;dr: giving more info is never worse than less info.  You acting like withholding info is ever somehow a good thing is rather pathetic and disingenuous.

 
Edit: the only exception to this is private info that is kept privately. Ie, addresses, people's real name and such. For obvious reasons sharing that info is at very least unethical. Everything else is fair game.

-- Modified on 7/28/2021 1:35:42 PM

too many drugs over so many decades...CDL's brain is fried like his sore covered dick is worn out limp.

Bingo--sometimes he snaps to the grid.  That's only in very rare instances.  The majority of time he is a complete asshole who's lying is based upon his deep rooted hatred and bigotry!

I already conceded that you do you better than anybody.  You don't need to keep proving it.  When you say that more information is ALWAYS a good thing, then I suppose you are okay with outing Kgirls who are UTR on BBFS?  Do you really think THAT'S a good thing, or do you think the Kgirls should deserve to be the ones to announce they are open to BBFS?  Is outing a girl part of "everything else is fair game?"

 
I have been doing this a lot longer than you, and I can guarantee you that if you start posting about affiliations, the orgs will have to respond with tighter screening.  If you think that helps ANYBODY, you are either naive or a fool.  A few years ago, a nationwide Thai agency group was outed by some guys and LE took down the whole org rather than just one location.  But you go ahead and do what you think is the right thing to do.  Ask any org if they have any affiliates in other cities and see if they will still keep you as a customer.  It would interesting to see what happens if you are willing to take the risk.  If you follow my suggestion to Trimix, you will minimize the risk of a negative reaction from the booker.  Orgs have finally gotten comfortable with removing password protection post-FOSTA/SESTA.  If you are going to start connecting the dots on affiliations, passwords will be reinstated, and I wouldn't blame them.  I don't want to be the guy who is there on the day that LE comes to close the place down.

 
Some things are better said in PM's.  Why not just post that you have information about orgs here and then invite guys to PM you if they are interested in knowing the details?  You get to regurgitate your new-found information, but nobody around you becomes collateral damage.   This is the reasonable way to deal with this . . . . unless of course, its NOT really about helping others, but more about YOU.  You make the call.

Um, I laid out my views on what you asked me many times. In that neighboring Dana thread, I've said that while I think people shouldn't mention stuff that is generally off menu and ymmv, as long as it's truthful it should remain and not be attacked. Hence, Greek.  But with how common bbfs is nowadays and how it is itemized and monetized as upcharge, I don't think you have to worry much about utr girls and bbfs.  

 
You can ask yourself your own question from a point of information - would you be better off knowing that a non-bbfs girl offered bbfs with someone or not knowing this? I think the answer is clear here.

 

Now, let's get back to the topic

"Ask any org if they have any affiliates in other cities and see if they will still keep you as a customer."

 
Why would I do that? Trimix asked the forum exactly because he didn't want to do that. Note the forum part. He didn't pm someone and ask them. He asked the board publicly , and he, along with others, should be given a public answer.  

I've explicitly stated that asking orgs about their own affiliations is not smart. And in case you haven't noticed, we agreed there with course of actions to take.

 
"Orgs have finally gotten comfortable with removing password protection post-FOSTA/SESTA"

The only reason theyre doing this is to get reviews onto TER, lol. It's funny watching these supposedly independent and powerful entities who can supposedly make people disappear, do this for reviews.

 
"Some things are better said in PM's"

 
Of course, that's why neither you nor Jensen ever can mention any bad or mediocre experience on forums. We all know this by now. Hide all info in the pms,right. Once again, pms only go to one-two people. I want info to be known to average Joe's. Get it? I like to get info, and distribute it to everyone, not just select few. Not vip members, not some vip mongers, but everyone of my monger bros. Plus, it's not like I owe orgs anything and they keep on lying, keep posting more and more fake pics, raising prices, using recycled girls, and so forth. Why should I protect them? Besides, I'm OK with protecting their addresses and privacy. Affiliation tho? Whole different ballgame. Knowing which shops are owned by who isn't a big deal.

I've asked bookers that I use quite a bit if they knew any bookers in the B.A. I was hoping to smooth out a screening. I didn't ask about specific Orgs, just if they knew any bookers up north. They told me they didn't, but use them as a reference anytime! I never received any type of blowback from asking. Probably because I wasn't trying to connect them to a specific Org! Didn't think that question could cause any trouble.

Nobody does YOU better than you.  Your black and white outlook on life will be your undoing.  I agree that information is good, but when someone is trying to operate an illegal business and guys like you want to put every detail on display for EVERYONE, which includes LE who read these forums, you are just being reckless and will most likely be the type of guy who fucks up a good thing for everyone.  This is why we don't all have the nuclear codes to launch missiles. It only takes one loose cannon to destroy everything that the rest of us are enjoying.

I did not say every detail on display. An org affiliation is a minor thing. I'm glad you agree more info is good though. Baby steps.

Its great that you finally recognize how close we came to the loose cannon using the nuclear codes to launch missiles.

minor thing to you, but not to an org owner who wants to keep his/her LE exposure to a minimum.  When someone like YOU starts connecting the dots to a lot of locations, LE will be salivating over a  potential multi-state RICO case, which carries enhances penalties over prostitution and soliciting.  That may seem minor to you, but to anyone that has followed RICO cases, its not minor to the people that are targets.  

 
So the Thai case I mentioned before had no impact on you, the fact that affiliates in five or six states were all closed the same day by a task force of about 90 LEO's from state and federal agencies working together?   EVERYONE in LE wants to be in on the BIG busts.  We have very few Thai girls working in SoCal now compared to before we lost some locations in that bust, and the Thai girls only charged $160-$200 with the same menu as Kgirls.  THAT should get your attention.   Now the survivors have raised prices because demand exceeds supply.  So there is nothing wrong with knowing about affiliations, but there is nothing to be gained by publishing it.  Only bad things will happen to make hobbying more difficult for many.  That's why it belongs in PM's and not on the boards.  

 
If you're going to be reckless with sensitive info, then you are only encouraging guys like me who have a working knowledge of the business to stop posting solutions to problems like I did in this instance.  If you're going to always be humping our legs for more info than is prudent to give publicly, we will just stick to PM's and the board will get nothing.  This is my last post on this conversation.  

You already distribute most of information via pm.

 
The Thai agency you are talking about, how did mongers "out" it exactly?

The info I have is public info too, gathered and sorted with common logic, sense and some detective work. And I don't do this for a living! If I can do it, surely so can LEOs

Exactly. You won't cause any trouble as it's a reasonable question. Once again, even today the screening for most orgs is pretty lenient compare to the "exclusive" feel down in LA or in NoVa