sks had a good run, they brought us plenty of great hya. Maia/Mochi is still here under the alias "Rose" at CA. Baby Aera was another good one as well and all of them, Joah, Baby Cherry, Maia/Mochi and Baby Aera were all mid 20s except Joah, she was early 20s, she's mid 20s by now.
I heard Baby Cherry/Baby Arin upped her service since she left the Bay Area, since she upped her rates in LA and Vegas. She was pretty miserable here since sks was such a horrible org to work for. I personally had great times with her though when she was around.A BB upcharge kgirl told me most customers just do CFS, but I don't believe it since most CFS-only girls seem to struggle staying busy. Anyone know the truth?
And, just what incentive would she have to lie about how her customers act?
I do think there is a very vocal, and possibly minority who want BBFS and are happy to have it readily offered but I'm not at all sure just how large that group might be. But if they are the one's always talking, posting and reviewing while others are not then it might seem like more are paying the up charge to outside observation.
I question OP's claim that CFS-only providers are "struggling to stay busy", when he was told by his provider that most clients prefer it that way. And as you stated, what incentive would she have to lie about it?
About 4 years ago I had a very established KGirl in Vegas complain to me that she, as a cfs lady at one of Vegas' largest KAgencies, was getting a fraction of the business that her bbfs KGirl roommate was getting. I don't know if she was telling the truth or not, but we did have a mutual friend who is a retired KGirl who recommended her to me so I don't know why she would lie to me. Given the rapid expansion of bbfs in Vegas KAgencies I tend to believe her.
the case. Married guys who are still fucking their wives will sometimes be exclusively CFS, but single guys (and the younger they are the greater the percentage) will mostly opt for BBFS. The hundreds of Kgirls I have talked to about this since BBFS became openly advertised about 8 years ago have confirmed the same thing that you observed. The exceptions are the top-tier girls for both service and looks, especially the oral queens. They can stay fully booked most days without offering BB. Granted, they are increasingly rare, and BBBJSPNQTCWS is becoming a lost art, IMO.
A former LA escort girl who became a spa girl told me the same thing. She doesnt do BB so couldn't get work. The spas allowed her to work within her limits and rules. Her face and body were great
Because CFS girls often resort to BB upcharge and then they resort to BB special as they get more and more desparate.
They're just trying to make more money. It doesn't mean they're desperate. It's no different than the salesperson at the auto dealership trying to convince you to "move up" or to add options to your purchase or when the business manager tries to sell you extended warranty options. That's just what they do.
a dealership finding a buyer to get the extended warranty isn't quite the same as a Kgirl upcharging for bbfs. The bite you in the ass part for the dealership is a bad review if the car owner tries to use it and finds it's junk paper and maybe having to reimburse. The Kgirl risks her own personal health and safety as well as any customers she has after at a much higher risk %.
So you want to be your own source for your claim????
I don't really see how your claim actually applies to your question, which was how many customers are paying up. Not sure why you need to as or care but whatever. It's an offering that is out there openly now (and for a number of years now). Not all girls off and some explicitly list as GFE only meaning BB is not available so don't ask. They must be making what they want. Others have joined to others in offering BB -- and a number would offer it free to clients they liked before BB was really being openly listed (the old PSE was a bit more of a hidden offer and could mean other things).
I suppose one could infer that since some of the more tenured providers have started offering BB that either they see an opportunity to make from off the same volume of business or that they were seeing a decline. Similarly, and more relevant to your actual question, since more are listing the option there are clearly a good number of guys that will pay. Though some will not even see an escort that advertises BB even if they go covered.
I'd also have to wonder about your "resort to BB upcharge and then they resort to BB special". That sounds more like the girl is losing business or not able to generate the business they want regardless of offering BB or not. Seems like for them the question is not how many guys are paying the BB premium but how many want to pay her at all. Probably not good sample to try drawing a conclusion from.
A BB upcharge kgirl told me most customers just do CFS, but I don't believe it since most CFS-only girls seem to struggle staying busy. Anyone know the truth?
A BB upcharge kgirl told me most customers just do CFS, but I don't believe it since most CFS-only girls seem to struggle staying busy. Anyone know the truth?
I would say among bay people who see many kgirls, most opt to go bb. And how upcharges are structured, it feels like a small add on and most people prefer bb to condom feeling. There will be people who do cfs for safety and so reasons, but at least in the bay the supply of bb girls vs cfs only girls probably would tell the story. One non-kgirl at one of the kgirl agencies told me that for a non kgirl she was required to do bb to get listed. Even tho there was another non kgirl in the agency who is cfs only so not sure how that works.
Going back to upcharges, many people in the bay area vabsolutely detest them and regard them as enshittification. Ie, you are now paying for features that used to be free or included. I do think what makes it worse that a lot of same girls are still around, so paying extra for same girls who are now five plus years older and a hell more of mileage on their, well, moneymaking aspects, also bothers people. I am actually more flexible than other mongers who draw a line, but it's not uncommont talk to mongers who basically say no to any upcharges.
What makes it worse is that almost all non kgirls have this upcharge, Latina viet jgirls etc. It's jarring and that's why I barely see any jgirls. Service is worse and add-ons are more expensive.
Going back to upcharges, many people in the bay area absolutely detest them and regard them as enshittification. Ie, you are now paying for features that used to be free or included. I do think what makes it worse that a lot of same girls are still around, so paying extra for same girls who are now five plus years older and a hell more of mileage on their, well, moneymaking aspects, also bothers people. I am actually more flexible than other mongers who draw a line, but it's not uncommont talk to mongers who basically say no to any upcharges.
First, I didn't say it originated in the hobby industry.
Second, I didn't ask for advice of whether or not to "play the game".
Third, I've explained how the bay area was used to one model of service. And how it - very similarly to process that is now called enshittificattion - has slowly shifted in the direction of upcharges and nickel and diming instead of an all you can eat buffet. And obviously many don't like it.
"Enshittification, also known as crapification and platform decay, is a pattern in which two-sided online products and services decline in quality over time. Initially, vendors create high-quality offerings to attract users, then they degrade those offerings to better serve business customers (such as advertisers), and finally degrade their services to users and business customers to maximize profits for shareholders".
I don't know how many here watch football, but nfl redzone - a channel that has been around for more than a decade that proudly boasted commercial free football, now has commercials in it. Which I'm sure there will be a "feature" to pay to turn these off. A good product that has a good user base isn't financially "good" for companies so they deliberately make the product worse so growth can be perceived by investors and revenues can rise.
Back to kgirls.
Once again, people who have seen the same girls five years ago, aren't too happy to give same girls who didn't get younger, got more mileage of dick in them since then, more than twice of what they paid for back then.
The worst to me is the msog upcharge. It's not big but it was one o few things that I loved about kgirl world vs amps. No need to haggle or manage your shots. You cum fast - no have unlimited shots. Many old school kgirls would give you as many as you wanted all included.
First, I didn't say it originated in the hobby industry.
I am not "surprised" by pricing.
You are just speaking nonsense.
What I said is that bay area was used to a certain pricing model for many years until it was changed. I don't care which other industries also milk or nickel and dime the customers
Here are the most important things, please follow my point :
1. For the longest time in the bay area there were no upcharges for kgirls.What happened in other places is absolutely irrelevant.
2. Once upcharges started here in the bay area, people were not happy about them because (see point number one).
It's very simple. People don't like to, and in many cases refuse to pay - on an ideological basis - for something that used to be free of charge.
Your Ryan's comment makes no sense. Are you from the bay area? Have you visited kgirls when there were no upcharges and everything was included? If not then what are you doing?
Here in DC, there are multiple apartment AMP agencies, mostly in Northern VA, and "regular" K-AMPs, primarily in Maryland. In the decades I've been in the hobby, I don't think I was ever offered BBFS in a MD AMP. Some of the ladies would do BBBJs. But, at the AAMPs, BBFS is widely and openly available. The upcharge is +$200 "inside" and +$100 "outside". (Interesting that there would be this kind of price structure.) Availability of BBFS seems to be related to ethnicity: Chinese almost never offer BBFS, Japanese almost always offer BBFS, and K-girls are about 50/50. I've found, if you read the reviews closely, that you can pretty much figure out if BBFS was included in the session. If words like "cover," "bag," or "raincoat" aren't used, it was probably a BBFS session. Personally, at age 70 with a cancerous prostate removed, I need all the help I can get. But, there's still the disease aspect present at any age that should be a deterrent for most any guy. Multiple deposits inside one's vagina can't be especially healthy for the girls either.
I just saw a kgirl in LA who charges mid 300’s plus 100 BB. I asked her what percent of her clients upgrade to BB, and she said around 50%. Next I asked her how often she gets tested. Her answer was a bit disturbing. She has been here for two months, and she is leaving in a few weeks. She said she will wait to get back to Korea to get tested because it’s cheaper there. I’m not sure she has been tested at all in the two plus months she has been here. That surprised me. I wonder how often most of the kgirls going BB get tested?
Aside from some Kproviders that have rooted down in the US, almost none get tested unless they get symptomatic. In the forums where a lot of kgirls share info with each other, a lot of bbfs kgirls who returned to korea reported they "didnt get anything" serious from bbfs work here. i have experience with std testing in Korea and they don't have the standard 10 panel that we do here. the panel that is done here is based on the predominant diseases that circulate in the area. There tons of bacterias and viruses that circulate in other areas that aren't tested for here locally and vice versa. When you take a test in korea, the standard test is much less "comprehensive", if you can even call it that than the one that is done here.
Further, in korea, std test results are not confidential. Almost nothing in korea is private or confidential. if you test positive for something, they will notify the public of who and what. FAT CHANCE these girls, even with some symptoms, are getting tested when they get back home.
Some girls who find out test results are confidential here in the US will test before they leave but for the most part, the kgirl insider forum is filled with bad info and advice to other prospective kgirls.
I know plenty of girls who don't offer BB who are always booked. If the GFE, service, and looks are there a lady doesn't need to do BB. Agree though anyone married or doesn't want to catch an STD will stick with cover. Really not worth the risk of catching an STD for BB, IMO it feels very close to the same and once I finish I don't even care.
I think on the last point choice of condom is probably worth some thinking about.
by Okamoto are my choice and I get a good response from most of the Kgirls too.
The risk of contracting an STD by a blowjob are significantly less than intercourse. Also, different types of STDs via mouth versus intercourse.
for me, if she's young and hot, I'm paying that upcharge in a heartbeat, no questions asked. although where I am, bb isn't an upcharge and usually included in the price. I understand why most guys would cfs, risky and costs more but where I am our price is pretty low compared to anywhere else.
even at the base price without bb upcharge, they're still making money from each monger since it's already over what our rates are here in the bay area. bb is pretty normalized here in the bay although there are still guys still cfsing for their own safety.
it's more competition for kgirls in LA and NYC, since it's so many girls offering the same thing so either the more skilled or most prettiest would be getting the most business I'm assuming. I chase the younger/prettier ones rather than the more skilled one.
...end up with an STD?
i haven't caught anything and i've been bbing since 2023, but the same time i don't run around seeing every new kgirl that pops up, i'm picky and stick with only 1-3 girls that I see. risks are definitely there, i'm responsible and get tested every other month to make sure, not like the guys who have been bbing long before me and never got tested.
Im not saying bb is safe, everyone in this hobby knows the risks, everyone is grown and can make their own decisions. As long as everyone is responsible enough to get tested and treated if they caught something, that's what really matters. I have spoke to a couple guys who have caught the clap from kgirls(all got tested and treated of course), and one of them got treated, dived head first back in and caught it again from a diff girl so bbing is def not as safe as everyone thinks.
Can't be in this hobby if you're scared of catching an std, what's the point of mongering in the first place then. All we can do is be responsible at the end of the day. You can catch std's from bbbj and even a condoms, just cause you have a condom on, it's not a 100% thing.
Girls ad has her at 23 when she's really 33...Girl says 50 percent do the upcharge so figure it's 70 percent.
i can tell the difference if they're older than 30, i've seen kgirls in their mid/late 20s and early to mid 30s. not hard to do your own research as well instead of blind booking. there's only been 1 or 2 kgirl in the bay that was actually in their early 20s and one have gone down to LA, the other who knows. there's still a few around in their mid 20s to late 20s. I'm in my late 20s, it's not hard to tell if they're older, young or the same age as me, I'm not blind.
one of the mid 20s one was Baby Cherry/Baby Arin, she also left the bay area and have been mostly in LA/Vegas and touring around the states now I believe.
I can't really chime in on the upcharge since we don't have that here in the Bay.
Was good looks especially that bod, but man she was kinda one and done for me. Blocking pen, can't go balls deep, awkward fs and awkward silence in between pops.
Looking back sks had a crazy two year run with B Cherry, Joah, Ina (briefly), Maia/Mochi, Sun, Mini/Yomi ("penis good" "penis good") and so forth
sks had a good run, they brought us plenty of great hya. Maia/Mochi is still here under the alias "Rose" at CA. Baby Aera was another good one as well and all of them, Joah, Baby Cherry, Maia/Mochi and Baby Aera were all mid 20s except Joah, she was early 20s, she's mid 20s by now.
I heard Baby Cherry/Baby Arin upped her service since she left the Bay Area, since she upped her rates in LA and Vegas. She was pretty miserable here since sks was such a horrible org to work for. I personally had great times with her though when she was around.
Yes, I'm well aware she is Rose at Caras.
Unfortunately unlike sks which was first come first serve and where I had no issues booking and prebooking her all the time, booking her at Caras is a crazy adventure. Plus she has a ton more autonomy at Caras over whom she sees.
I get that sks didn't treat the girls well, so I good for them to leave. But bad for me. Lol.
Good to hear about Cherry/Arin. Still I don't think we clicked mich. I'm not really a "hya" person I'm more of a "cumslut" person.
Still when the wild hyas appear I get curious and try them out, usually just once. Lol.
Yeah, I agree about sks. atleast they gave everyone a chance to see their popular girls instead of allowing the same guys to fill up the slots everyday without giving everyone else a slot, that's how i was able to see baby aera in the beginning.
you would have to jump through hoops to see rose at caras, that's why i dont bother going to that org anymore. i also got enough of rose when she was mochi anyways, saw her way too many times.
hya's can be a "cumslut", just depends on how well you click with them and how crazy they can get in the room. each girl is different and has their own personality but i get what you're trying to say.
If hyas require some grooming time to be cumsluts, that's just gonna tease me and leave me unsatisfied.
You don't know how many times I was unsatisfied after seeing what ppl would consider a hya or at least a ha, and had to go to a nasty older girl after just to get my rocks off for real. Lol. And it's not like I was disappointed, just didn't satisfy my lust.
I wouldn't say, you need to groom them. You'd know in the first or second visit whether they're freaky or skilled enough or not to fully satisfy you. Sometimes you can't beat going to the older providers to feel fully satisfied and feeling fully drained. I have one on my list that I'd visit if I wanted a full pse type session, she rocks my world every single time I see her
Can't be more unsatisfied as leaving with blue balls though, I'd tell you that. Hya is just a term for hot young asians, they're not all rockstars.
I think out of hundreds of sessions only two girls gave me blue balls, one was a WOAT session and the other a great sesh.
As a sex addict, my sex satisfaction is via sex, not release so kind of edging but not really and more about quality of sex. I need to be balls deep thrusting as my dick is desensitized and needs full shaft stimulation. Same thing with DT and shaft. Rj is always stimulating. Etc etc.
May be tmi, if so my bad. Lol.
minimum standard, IMO, but I have seen a few that used fake photos and were butt-ugly in person, so there are a few other reasons that can also lead to an unsatisfying session. Kimchi-breath is another one.
I think in Boston it would be greater majority. I'm pretty sure that number of ladies that offer BBFS and guys that go without increased dramatically since people discovered doxycycline.
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