http://www.vox.com/22338807/asian-fetish-racism-atlanta-shooting
The history of fetishizing Asian women

I would submit that this author has not had as many in-depth conversations with Asian sex workers as many of us have had.  A lot of her views are based on the "sex-slave" model that the MSM always defaults to when something like the Atlanta killings take place.  I agree with some of her points about the fantasy objectification of Asian women by whites who have had limited experience with Asian women.  Her complaint about a binary view (either submissive or sexually aggressive) of Asian women among mongers is perpetuated by the girls themselves, as they know what sells and what doesn't, and are intuitive about whether a customer has a submissive Asian fantasy or sexually dominant Asian fantasy.  They will tailor the session accordingly.  As you get to know Kgirls in real life, you begin to discover all of the degrees of variation that lies between these two extremes.

The interviewee alluded to and promoted her book a bit too much for my liking. Also a lot of vague language there, not a lot of new or tangible thought.  

Although I agree about the limited experience of the author, I would argue that the film scholar has a substantial amount of macro and micro-level experience regarding the topic, the former of which many mongers lack.

I'm curious about what mongers think of their role in perpetuating (or not) the tropes presented in the article. Yes, providers feed into and reinforce this, but I think it starts with the treatment of providers as solely being the means through which a service is rendered. Reviews, of course, should only be taken at face value, but it's still troubling to read how a monger will notice a provider is in discomfort or seems reticient about performing a certain action, and will ignore that because they're the ones paying.

Imo there's an important distinction here.

Appreciate the response. I mentioned mongering because the film scholar mentions that she studies Asian and Asian American sex workers and I think the presentation of Asian sexuality in Western society is relevant to Asian sex work.

There are a lot of reviews where reviewers talk about "Kgirls that can take a pounding."  This is the zenith of objectification, and its clear these guys have no concerns about whether the Kgirl is having a good time or not.  The sex is always better when the  girl is enjoying it, too, but you don't get that by giving them a "pounding."  Never met a Kgirl that said, "Fuck me til it hurts me."  Then there are more guys that see her BECAUSE she can take a pounding.  Whether a Kgirl is good, bad or in between, I always treat them with the same respect I show a civvie girl who is fucking me for free.  Just because I'm paying doesn't mean the rules of decency change, it just means I'm probably getting a prettier and more experienced sex partner than what I would get in a civvie, so why treat the civvie better than the Kgirl?  (That's a rhetorical question.)  

Nothing about taking a pounding really says objectification to me. Sorry, I disagree.  

Am I furthering various myths? When "the west" (occidentals) opened up the Far East to trade and diplomacy (and colonization and imperialism and so on) in the 1800s, women in their societies were already subjugated. Bound feet and always walking behind the men with their heads bowed. In Japan, geisha were meant to serve / service wealthy men ... and there were bordellos for the rest of the horny men.  
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I don't think that Westerners created the myth of submissive Asian women. I think it's what they encountered. Madame Butterfly, Turandot, Aida, Pearl Fishers, Lakme, ... are not stories about submissive Asian women or the fetishization of Asian women. They are stories of TREMENDOUS LOVE!  Sometimes tragic, sometimes magnificent.  
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Sort of the way some of us feel about our K-girls for an hour at a time.  (I *love* the K-girls.)

opposite sides of this topic before.  Taking a pounding is NOT part of a skill set.  The skill set has to do with the skills she uses to get you going, DFK, BBBJ, CIM, kegel strength and the personality she has cultivated to provide a convincing GFE.  Laying there while you pound her pussy as hard you can takes no skill on her part except to keep her mouth shut and not complain too much until you're finished.   If you're considering THAT a skill, then I can't really argue with you.  

Whether or not it's a form of objectification or not I won't worry about taking any side on that.

I think we might use take a pounding differently.  

Perhaps the saying should be changed to "can take a pounding and give one back" to more accurately refer to what many of us mean when we say a girl can "take a pounding"

Where did I change anything?  

and women pretty much NEVER use the term "can take a pounding" at all. It's men that use the term. Once again you are being intentionally obtuse.  

I give a flying fuck who you agree with or don't agree with. Use whatever term you want. I'll the the ones I prefer and I don't retract anything I've said about either of use of "take a pounding" or the idea that pushing the metaphor of YMMV to the point we're using mileage in the text is a poor choice of wording.

I'm far from an expert in r8pe fantasies, since I don't have any, but as someone who have spent a lot of time on FetLife and met some people who were into such fantasies,  

I stopped using “take a pounding” years ago. Why? Not because there aren’t girls who can take some pretty enthusiastic thrusting and maybe even give it right back.

Screw you guys, I'm going home.

Would it kill you to stay on topic? As much as you say Rocket derails discussions, you have to admit that you frequently devolve to irrelevant character attacks.

I just read a new review where it was stated, "It took a while, but she took the pounding like a champ". Although I'm sure that the reviewer didn't mean anything by it, the use of such a phrase not only has a one-sided connotation, but also serves to further dehumanize and objectify these women.

I will say that "when you fuck this girl, she fucks you back, or "we were thrusting together and she was meeting my thrusts with equal force", or something similar.  I want to be clear that she is an enthusiastic participant in the fucking, NOT that she is merely tolerating what I'm doing to her.  There is a huge difference, IMO.

I fully respect your intentions.

and it's quite clear that it was Jensen who took it off topic, not me.

I have no idea why you thought you needed to respond to my post with completely unrelated comments.  But I suppose I should expect that by now.

I don't see how it was "completely unrelated". I was replying directly to your statement of  

If the monger is packing over about 5 or maybe 5.5 inches, many Asian girls will get that “pounding” right on her cervix. For more than a few women, this can be rather problematic. It can lead to bladder infections and other issues. With just a bladder infection a woman can be out of commission for days. It is not a small problem.  

I could be mistaken, but I think you were one of the people who complained about threads getting derailed and moving too far to the left. Why would I continue to argue in a discussion that is a) irrelevant to the OP's post, b) where the person I'm arguing with clearly is arguing in bad faith? If you feel the need to get in the last word every time, you're not winning. It's sad that you spent the time to even dig through my post history. One might think that you even saved it.  

I know some of it was deleted because one of my replies disappeared due to the deletion of a thread.

who's branch it was on.  I don't recall anything from anybody that was a violation of TER rules.  Maybe it was a slow day for the mods and they decided to get nit-picky.    OR, a post-puller has struck again.  LOL

I also don't remember even which thread it was, much less which branch, but I too found about a half a dozen of my posts had disappeared with the "due to removal of the thread" excuse.

Seems like that's been happening with more frequency lately. I've had a number of posts disappear when the thread was deleted. Some of my best work, too. Must be some snitches out there?

historical info, and followed the topic of the thread, which was about the historical treatment of Asian women, so no reason for a mod to pull it, IMO.

I think you are on the right track. I went months on end without having a single post pulled and then all of a sudden I am seeing posts left and right being pulled. I hope this is NOT the start of a new, ugly trend of censorship like we had here a few years ago.