K-girls

Re: A Common Problem
impposter 49 Reviews 1554 reads
posted
1 / 7

This is about TER policy to delete outdated links in Profiles.  I want TER to keep links active for a longer time before declaring the link expired.  This is especially a problem with K-Girls.

I don't know about the West Coast, but here in the east, it creates a big problem with duplicate Profiles and the inability to track reviews.  Example:

Mary works at KMP-1 and gets Profile-1 with a link to URL-1/Mary/

Mary moves across town (or across the street!) to KMP-2. Someone who doesn't recognize her from KMP-1 creates a new Profile-2 with URL-2/Mary.  

When I catch it, I will report the problem to Admin and ask them to merge the reviews, keep the OLDER (original) Profile number, Profile-1 and to update the info with KMP-2, URL-2, Phone-2, etc.  Admin rarely accepts these problem reports without photographic proof.  That is, I have to find Mary's old photos at URL-1/Mary and prove to TER that they are the same pics as URL-2/Mary.  

[Are you following me so far?]

Sometimes, Mary goes on vacation for a month or works on the other coast with a new name for 6 months and returns to work at KMP-3. Some new visitor creates yet another new Profile number, Profile-3, with KMP-3, URL-3/Mary, ... .  When I notice this, I know to look for the earlier Mary Profiles and tell Admin about the Duplication.  Sometimes, they have already deleted the links because Mary was not ACTIVE at KMP-1 or KMP-2 (no longer working there and on the current gallery page).  But I'm left in the lurch because I can't remember the (hidden) URL for Mary at her old places.  And that leaves "us" in the lurch because we don't know that Mary Profile-3 should actually have 10, 20 or more reviews to guide us instead of just 1.

The KMPs sometimes use easy to figure out URLs: www.yourfavoriteplace.com/gallery/Mary so I can find Mary's old pics and PROVE that New Mary is Old Mary.  But, more and more, the KMPs are using randomized addressing that makes it impossible to find Mary's old pics at her old place, even though they are still on the server: www.yourfavoriteplace.com/gallery/4QtzMe123.html is Mary's old picture folder but it's already been deleted from the TER Profile so I can't find it.

**** I want TER to keep the URLs in the Profile for a longer time than they currently do, at least for the K-girls.  

Here on the east coast, there are many touring semi-indy K-girls. They tour like indies, but they don't maintain their own websites.  They show up on an agency website in Boston (BAD), in DC (RF), in Atlanta (AE), at a few different places in NYC and elsewhere and then back around. That can result in multiple Profiles and most guys don't know about the duplicates.  The reviews from the guys in Atlanta are helpful to the guys in Boston and so on but you can't read them if they aren't there!

If they were real indies, they would have a permanent personal website and their calendar would say, "Boston Oct 1-10, DC Oct 14-23, ATL Nov 2-15, ...".  Because of the nature of the K-Girl style, we lose that continuity.  K-Girl profiles should maintain historically relevant links even though they can only be in one place at a time.

Do you agree that we should ask TER to keep K-Girl URLs active even as they move about from KMP to KMP and city to city?  Ideally, the link would not be retired until the K-Girl retires (vacation is not the same as retire!) or the KMP goes out of business and takes its website down.  

Is this a problem on the West Coast, too?  

Thanks

BigPapasan 3 Reviews 611 reads
posted
2 / 7

...it will be deleted by TER pursuant to a Problem Report.  TER cannot keep an URL "active" if the ad has expired.  The ad is simply no longer on the internet.  You can't keep a corpse alive.

Duplicate profiles is a problem that has been around since the beginning of TER.  Mostly, it is done by providers who create a new persona to run away from negative reviews.  Not so for K-girls.  K-girls have duplicate and triplicate profiles because bookers change their names when they move to different cities.  Or sometimes they go back to South Korea and when they return they change their names to appear "new."

On the West Coast, the problem also lies with the hobbyists.  They are aware that many providers have changed their names and have multiple profiles.  In fact, they post that information and mention the previous name in reviews.  However, they rarely report this information to TER so that the profiles can be combined.  Here's a classic example where the king of the K-hobbyists had knowledge of a provider who had multiple profiles, yet chose not to help his K-bros out but instead kept the information to himself:

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?BoardID=113&SortBy=DateCreated%20desc&Search=reported&SearchType=3&Author=bigpapasan&DayFrom=3000&DayTo=0&MessageID=1250&frmSearch=1#1250

TER also cannot combine profiles if the older one's links are gone.  They have no way to prove whether the two providers are the same without photos to compare them.

 


-- Modified on 10/26/2015 10:54:19 PM

impposter 49 Reviews 512 reads
posted
3 / 7

I'm not really talking about the name-changers, but that is a separate issue.  

I'm even talking about girls with one name who are current and active but touring and whose pics are still maintained on all of the websites, just not on the "home" page of currently available girls.  

I'm going to post some examples:  

Hyori 254861 is currently at BAD but has been at EA. Thankfully, both URLs are still there to PROVE that. Hyori may have been at RHF or will be at RHF but I can't find her RHF link.  

Asuka 274051 has been at BAD, EA, and RHF. Her pics are still easily found at BAD and EA but not RHF.
Asuka has a personal indy website for Seattle and is might be known elsewhere on the West Coast as Asuka or some other name.  But there is clear proof that BAD Asuka is EA Asuka is RHF Asuka is Seattle Asuka.  

Many of these KMP / agencies keep the pics on their servers for a while (as they should) even if the girl has moved on or is on vacation.  

If TER removes the links from the Asuka 274051 Profile and returns to BAD, we'll have a hell of a time proving that it's the same Asuka as before.

Other examples abound in NYC where there are many KMPs all over midtown, sometimes more than one on the same block!  

Star 255461 started at Dream G, moved the A Flowers and her DG and AF profiles had to be merged. Having the pics on the DG server made that work. Star went on vacation for a couple of months and returned to A Flowers. If her URLs or pics had been removed and a new Star Profile created, it would have been hard to remember where her old pics were still stored.  

Same thing for Tiffany 255461. She had two profiles, one for Dream G where she was for a while (her pics are still there: http://www.dreamgirlny.com/tiffany.htm ) and a new one for A Flower, where she is now. If Tiffany moves from A Flower to A VIP and A Flower takes her pics off of their server, we would need the Dream G URL to prove that a new Tiffany Profile at another KMP is the same Tiffany ... but TER removed the DG URL.

So confusing!  

BP: Unlike Harpman, I do try to point out duplicates when I find them but TER Admin gives me a tough time because I can't prove my point ... because they have already removed a link and replaced it with "Report New Website".  When I try to, they say, "Where's the proof?"  

If the URLs, even multiple URLs, stay alive for a couple of months, it will be a lot easier to merge the duplicate profiles.  

OK. Just one of my peeves. Until we install GPS RFID in the K-girls, we'll have to rely on each other to help us lap-dogs find them and follow-them around.
Posted By: BigPapasan
...it will be deleted by TER pursuant to a Problem Report.  TER cannot keep an URL "active" if the ad has expired.  The ad is simply no longer on the internet.  You can't keep a corpse alive.
A lot of the K-Girl links remain ACTIVE even if she isn't on the home page of current girls.  
www.dreamgirl.com - NO LONGER ON HOME PAGE
www.dreamgirl.com/star - still there on her pics page
 
Duplicate profiles is a problem that has been around since the beginning of TER.  Mostly, it is done by providers who create a new persona to run away from negative reviews.  Not so for K-girls.  K-girls have duplicate and triplicate profiles because bookers change their names when they move to different cities.  Or sometimes they go back to South Korea and when they return they change their names to appear "new."
But even when they keep the same name.  
   
TER also cannot combine profiles if the older one's links are gone.  They have no way to prove whether the two providers are the same without photos to compare them.
Right. Even when there is testimonial evidence (my own), they want to see the pics ... but very often they are responsible for removing the very link that will prove the duplicate.
Maybe TER should adjust the database to include HIDDEN DATA FIELDS.  The old or expired links would be moved to "old links: do not display in the Profile" field.  Then, when someone reports that they know a girl in a NEW Profile is that same as the girl in the old (link "hidden") profile, TER can easily see if the pics are still on the server and merge Profiles right then and there.

Or maybe I should start taking selfies with the K-Girls as proof that I've seen them in different places

BigPapasan 3 Reviews 500 reads
posted
4 / 7

...the best position to know that the girl who has two different profiles is the same girl - you have actually seen her with your own eyes.  It would certainly help to combine profiles because all her old reviews would be there to assure the hobbyists that she's okay, even though she's "new."  You just can't prove it to TER's satisfaction.  

TER isn't solely to blame for not combining reviews.  The K-girls/bookers are also responsible.  They have the evidence TER requires to combine profiles.  But it seems like the K-girl business model is at odds with the purpose of TER.  K-girls change their names, or come back under the same name but with a new profile, not necessarily to deceive, but they and their bookers have no interest in informing TER or their customers that the "new" K-girl has been working under another name or even the same name previously.    

If "Gertrude" has been gone for a year or moved from a different city, you can't blame the hobbyist for creating a new profile.  He has no way of knowing she is the same "Gertrude" as her other profile because the first profile no longer has an ad link.  But TER can't keep the ad link in the profile if the ad has expired or has been removed.

Some hobbyists are to blame as well.  They would rather stay on good terms with the bookers than inform their bros that the brand new girl "Gertrude" used to be here before as "Gladys" or even another "Gertrude" who may have had 50 reviews.  They don't want to risk getting on the bookers' bad side so they only reveal this info by back channel communication.

tomcat007 578 reads
posted
5 / 7

I think you have summed up the problem nicely.  Because K girl pics on the East Coast tend to be on an agency website for only a brief time it means all reviewers need to have their reviews up in a very short period of time (usually 1-2 weeks when  TER policy actually allows for a few months) and even when posted those links are quickly deactivated as the site takes down old pics and replaces them with new girls.  

This problem has been solved on the West Coast with http://www.kgirldelights.com/gallery/ that hosts permanent active links even when the girl is currently inactive for a short time.  Hopefully they will eventually expand to the East Coast and solve this problem.

-- Modified on 10/27/2015 7:12:12 AM

impposter 49 Reviews 498 reads
posted
6 / 7

You partially answered my Q even before I could ask it!

Posted By: tomcat007
Hopefully they will eventually expand to the East Coast and solve this problem.
Do you know anything about kg-de-lite management? Maybe I'll look for a "Contact Us" button on kgirldelights.

Do you think that a TER "hidden data field" where they can store the old URLs would help? On the east coast, the pics stay on the servers for quite a while, but the girl is no longer linked on the home page or gallery page. You have the know the link (www.kmp.com/gallery/Mary4QtzMe747dd.jpg) and the pic is still there. If TER would archive those old links, we could more easily keep up with the ebb and flow.

BTW ... on the east coast, there are some name-changers, but it's mostly the moving around problem. Also, a lot of these girls have GREAT reviews and no reason to hide from them. It would bring back repeats and fan-boys and more quickly convince newbies that she's the real deal.  

Thanks for your input

tomcat007 539 reads
posted
7 / 7

Posted By: impposter
You partially answered my Q even before I could ask it!  
   
Posted By: tomcat007
Hopefully they will eventually expand to the East Coast and solve this problem.
   
 Do you know anything about kg-de-lite management? Maybe I'll look for a "Contact Us" button on kgirldelights.  
   
 Do you think that a TER "hidden data field" where they can store the old URLs would help? On the east coast, the pics stay on the servers for quite a while, but the girl is no longer linked on the home page or gallery page. You have the know the link (www.kmp.com/gallery/Mary4QtzMe747dd.jpg) and the pic is still there. If TER would archive those old links, we could more easily keep up with the ebb and flow.  
   
 BTW ... on the east coast, there are some name-changers, but it's mostly the moving around problem. Also, a lot of these girls have GREAT reviews and no reason to hide from them. It would bring back repeats and fan-boys and more quickly convince newbies that she's the real deal.  
   
 Thanks for your input.  
 
I know a little about them.  

KGD is run by a group of hobbyists from around the country, although since it's an all volunteer site the word management doesn't really apply, but I know what you meant.  

I think you propose a possible solution (TER hidden data field) but I don't see them doing that. KGD has already done that on the West Coast so even when a girl moves location it will not break the link to the home page.  

Almost all the girls on the East Coast (with the exception of a large contingent in NY) travel to the West Coast so we are familiar with their excellent service.  I agree, there are many reasons to change location and name other than to hide bad reviews.  While that is the case sometimes, it is not a driving factor.

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