This week I had some extra cash and a little extra time, so I decided to conduct my own kgirl value challenge! We all know CDL insists that kgirls provide the best value on the planet, so I decided to put the theory to the test! The challenge was to test two providers; a highly rated kgirl and a highly rated Indy on successive days! It was a tough job but somebody had to do it!

Here’s the match up! Day one - one of my highly rated kgirl regulars with over 100 ratings under her current name (probably 2x that amount under previous names), and consistent ratings in the high 8’s over the last five years! Day two - a highly rated Indy with close to 100 ratings averaging 9.5 over the last 4+ years!  I have had my eye on her for months, and she is consistently rated super high on looks and service, so she should provide a top session!

First let’s talk price! Our highly rated Indy costs 2.3x more than the kgirl! Is it possible to provide 2.3x better service? Let’s find out!

First let’s talk looks! My regular has a spectacular body with awesome man made bolt-ons - incredibly sexy! The Indy is slightly older than I expected based on photos, but great little natural b-cups, nice ass and cute face! She starts with sexy dance/lap dance which has me fired up! Slight edge to kgirl!

Shower time! No contest here as my kgirl gives world class PSE shower with p-to-p, Russian and preview bbbj! Ok so I’m used to quick solo shower with most Indies! I did have a regular that I used to fuck in the shower from time to time, but not today! Advantage regular!

Foreplay! OMG, anything goes with this Indy! Her bbbj is aggressive and uniquely sexy! I grab some lube and go for, full access including pussy, taint and anus! I know she does Greek so I assume anything goes! I requested toys and she shows up with a collection from vibrators to butt plugs! My kgirl provides the finest dfk, Russian and bbbj/hj! DFK - wow both these girls excel in their own way! Advantage Indy based on creativity and variety!  

Sex! I had two intense rounds with both these girls! The first was focused with me on top/ in control - standing doggie, kneeling dg, side, mish! Then her in control with CG, RCG AND ACG! The thing that stood out here was the Indie’s desire to please me while pleasing herself. If I wasn’t rubbing her pussy, she was! This Indy told me she is low volume, so many times she considers a session as a date! Why not get off while getting your partner off? My regular kgirl lets me get her off, but she does not take that into her own hands! Seeing a provider pleasure herself during sex is hot- advantage Indy!

 Extras! The Indy takes it hands down here! Plenty of ass play here throughout! This went both ways- tongue, hands fingers, plenty of lube! I went for it with no push back knowing Greek is on the menu!

My kgirl definitely takes it for the regular session, however variety is the spice of life! The Indy really provided a crazy wild session that would satisfy my occasional craving for more! As far as financials go, all I have to do is pass up one or two regular sessions from time to time to fit in my Indy!

Now share your kgirl value challenge!

I did not find any conclusion in the end.  

 
What was your conclusion after testing (small sample size but still) about the comparative value?

It would be more fair if the two providers offered the same services.  Not many "indies" offer anal.  The "indy" you chose had the advantage going in because you knew you were going to get anal and the K-girl didn't offer it.  

 
You also didn't say whether the "indy" cost 2.3x more because there was an extra charge for anal (as there usually is).

I’m guessing you’ve watched more than a couple of Project Farm episodes.  

Well done.

Need more content like this, thanks for sharing.

Nothing beats a hot kgirl in my opinion...

YEMV

Indy up charge went to 3.0x with Greek! Conclusion: Kgirl wins the value challenge for daily drive! However there is a place in my rotation for the occasional Indy Splurge!

Thanks.

 
I agree. Kgirls are great value, although imo recent price hikes make it less so in general so imo the gap is closing slightly. A slightly better than average experience one could tolerate at 220 is obviously less tolerable at 400+

 
As a service guy, I think there are some specific independent girls who are very service oriented and who are great values, but if we are to make a general statement, kgirls as a group on the whole win out. But imo as the price moves higher and higher, the edge they have becomes smaller.

go up, do you think the indies will remain at the same price level or raise their fee, so they will always be at a higher rate for their sessions? IMO, they will be higher then Kgirls until down the line, hopefully way down the line!, the majority of providers, Kgirls & indies will be expensive and they all will be pretty close to each other in price! With Kgirls at a $10 to $20 increase every once and awhile it might take some time. They will probably increase the amount in the upcharges too! Money does drive the business!  My POV & IMO!

inflation will be over 5% for this year.  On $300, that's $15, so I think its safe to say that inflation will cause SOME of the price increases we will see in the next few years in the Kgirl scene.  Inflation fucks just about everyone, so indies will be in the same boat and we can expect "catch-up" increases from them as well.

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In the bay area, we went from 220 all inclusive to 420 all inclusive in mere months. Can't blame it on inflation.

 
I'm seeing some indies at 450-500. The gap is closing significantly. Obviously those ladies don't usually do BB. But ladies on h_x do. Hell, I think h_x indies are creeping up in value as well. Kgirls hold strong because of consistency of service in general, but like I've said, it is no longer a complete no-brainer in terms of value it once used to be.

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I have been mongering for well over ten years now! I’ve seen Kgirl pricing in LA go from +/- $250 to $300. The Indies I see have gone from $400-$500 to $600-700. I see these as separate markets. Both will drift upwards, but the move for Kgirls will not be anywhere near the move for Indies! I think Kgirls will continue to be the best deal in town for the foreseeable future! Hopefully I do not eat my words in two years!

300? If you want a MSOG and BB with a kgirl I believe that will cost 400+ with a kgirl in most places nowadays.

"Months"?  I think that ignores the time span of stability at 220.

What do you mean? How does it ignore anything? Sorry not getting you, friend.

Each rate increase (any one) actually happened in an instant, not in months.  You can't use that to estimate a "rate of increase" unless you're using the hype of dividing by zero.  
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Rates of increase, such as inflation rates, are quotients of change / time.
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To estimate a rate or trend, you need at least two points in time when increases occurred.  So taking the (general) 200 -> 220 transition date (when effectively complete, say) as the start, then the recent 220 -> 260 transition date, and divide the increase ($40) by the time range (I don't remember, several years ago?) to get the $/year increase, then divide that by the old rate ($220) to get the fractional increase per year, then divide by 100 to get the percentage per year.  
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Of course I'm not going into the whole proper calculus behind doing it really right, just the ordinary way of making a quick but useful estimate over discrete price changes.
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Doing it the ordinary right way with your choice of event dates, how does it compare to historical inflation rates over the same time span?

While I understand the point of discrete values you're making, I'm still not sure I'm getting your bigger point.

 
The rate of change is what's important, as inflation rate of change is small yearly in this country. If inflation rate were to shoot up by 50% over several months, people would be panicking because value of their dollar decreased twofold. Can you imagine the stampede? Countries that had inflation rates close to those numbers faced financial institution failures, mass bankruptcy and poverty.  I believe 50% is hyperinflation territory.  

 
The rate of change of prices was zero (a derivative of constant rate is zero of course and if there is no price change over a year, it is zero) for a while. And before the change to 220 the price was 200 for a loong while. Then, over something like 5 months, we go from 220 all inclusive to 420 all inclusive. That is close to a 100% increase over a short timespan. The rate of change shoots up.  

 
High rate of change is what bothers people, makes them panic and so forth. This is why most places increase the prices GRADUALLY and also decrease interest rates gradually. So as to not scare off the customers from going elsewhere. A customer will likely stay with the same company if the company keeps raising prices 20-30 dollars a year versus if a company does no changes for several years and then busts a huge multiple hundred dollars change.  

Humans tend to compare current with the past.  

 
So I don't get the sentiment. Escpecially since orgs themselves tell us that there was no artificial price ceiling. If there was no price ceiling, then they were operating at equilibrium point, and if they were operating at equilibrium point, then then prices were at market value, no?  

And if prices were at market value and equilibrium point, why do we wanna give cookie points for them charging them? Now, if prices were artificially held in place, and now just exploded when someone took the cap off, it's another story. We want to ask why is the cap off and who took it off.  

Yet, again, most businesses seek gradual change; and I'd argue that such drastic change is unhealthy for the monger community.  

just like you don't want to see your million dollars become 500k in your bank over several months, a monger hates to see his 4 prospective appointments in a month turn to two...

 
So in short, I'm not ignoring that the prices didn't change for a long time before that, if that's what you meant. I simply commented that the recent big changes aren't in line over the same inflation rate increases over the same time. The inflation rate that was quoted was over a year, specifically this past year. What is the kpussy inflation rate over this year? Exactly. The rate of change is very high, because it's a big change over a short period.

I think people are confusing inflation rates and price changes -- obviously related but not identical.

 
Inflation rates are always about wide classes of of items -- all consumer goods, producer goods, GDP deflator and such. That is an averaged prices rate of change defined to be on an annual basis. You correctly note the need to consider time frames here. However, within the set of items making up the price index on which the inflation rate is calculated one doesn't expect ALL prices to even go up, much less at the same rate as ever other price. Internally the price changes will have a distribution (oddly I don't think I've ever seem much talk about things like variance and skew in the price data -- though know some consideration for weighting within the index is considered).

 
Individual price changes are probably better consider in terms of relative prices. That seems to be what rocket is really focused on while also talking about general level of inflation.

 
It's also worth noting that some prices (for various reasons) stay constant for long periods of time and then make a significant change to realign with other prices and the general price level. Often that is due to either a contractual agreement or some regulatory limit. Other not so much.  Menu prices at restaurants seem to be a bit like that. I know dome places have kept their menu price unchanged for many years but when the prices change they are not in the 2 to 5 percent range but more like 20% and more. If you look at regulated apartments (particularly for rental rates that are limited to protect low income occupants) I suspect you will find large changes, just as BA is saying occurred with the agency providers and likely even greater, when the protected occupant moves our and the landlord has the ability to adjust the rate to the current (and expected future I suspect) market rates.

 
I think the interesting question is more about just what really changed that resulted in the increase. I find the "indies charge more" rationale a bit weak as that has been true for most of the time the prices were kept at their lower rate.

I would probably word it a bit differently, I would call what the BA is going through a price "spike" as opposed to price "changes" but I'm probably just nitpicking.  

 
Inflation is like the cost of a hamburger or a gallon of milk where you can chart a gradual rise in prices over a period of several decades. A sudden doubling of rates is not "inflation" It may be due to the suppression of prices which finally balance out rather suddenly as you suggest, but as you say it's quite different than simple inflation.

 
Take my business for example, when I was a kid gas cost about a quarter a gallon, it's a dozen times that much today, but if you look at the history of oil/gasoline prices you'll see a bunch of price spikes followed by price drops which is a result of "boom/bust" cycles sometimes due to supply/demand issues, but other times caused by speculators, manipulation or political reasons and not necessarily simple inflation.

Spike is one word I was looking for, lol.

 
There are obviously some factors unique to the biz here. One is that the all-inclusive thing "baked in" Bay area prices wasn't a thing for the whole time it was 200/220. It only started relatively recently, I want to say 2017 or something like that. And it was likely fueled by competition and some girls wanting to direct traffic and volume their way.

 
The bottom line though, is that customers don't like big spikes, regardless of reasoning. And best believe the prices aren't going down ever again, unlike in your business where they fluctuate. Gradual change over time simply is received better. And gradual change can be attributed to inflation. A huge spike cannot.

Pricing in this market is not a reaction to economic principles.  Providers DO NOT pay attention to financial indexes when setting their prices.  The agencies (especially on the low end) look at competition.  Indi's (especially on the high end) look at many factors and their pricing (as others have alluded to) is dynamic.  

Factors that have affected the significant price increases are simple.  Supply and demand rules the day and with Covid19, many chose to work less so their prices went up.  Adding to that dynamic, those who wanted to work had less work as their were less hobbyists traveling and able to wrestle time for sport.  

For the most part higher end providers don't fluctuate their pricing to reflect being more competitive.  Overhead has gone up--even with lower priced cheap hotels the number of rooms at **** and above has returned to close to pre Covid19 levels.  Airfares are also climbing ahead.  Trying to bargain with providers is a lose-lose situation as for the most part what you save in fare is taken away in service.

So, is your point that a huge spike in kgirl prices over last few months compared to before is due to the demand decreasing sharply? If so, once demand picks back up, are you saying these prices are going to fall?  

 
This isn't really a topic on higher end providers or indies.

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He's never seen a Kgirl and denigrates them on the other boards.  He doesn't have a clue about this market.  If he made a point, it was just a lucky guess.  Lol

I have NEVER denigrated ANY K-Girl nor ANY OTHER PROVIDER, PERIOD.  Just another base-less allegation.  Do you have floppy blonde/red hair as well?  Maybe you shouldn't have used Crazy Glue to attach your rug, huh?

EVERYONE KNOWS that you don't have to review a K-Girl to have seen a K-Girl.  I know that it is difficult to get through your thick skull that a high percentage of members don't submit reviews.  What makes your skull so thick?  You are hiding the truth to avoid the fact that MOST of  YOUR REVIEWS ARE FAKE!  

You make them up so that you can avoid paying for a VIP membership.

And lets do a further truth reveal.  

Q-According to your 300+ make believe reviews how many were K-Girls?
A-ALMOST ALL OF THEM.

Q-How many had black skin?
Q-How many had brown skin?
Q-How many had (Caucasian) white skin?
Q-How many were plus size?
A-ALMOST NONE OF THEM.

What's hiding under the dark secret?  

We know that you are homophobic.  
In the TER chat circle there is a growing consensus that the name CDL refers to CUCK DICK LOVER.

Ahhh...the sounds of crickets.

I’m an old guy who likes foreplay, so one shot usually does the job! I also value my health, so no bbfs!  I find plenty of kgirl hotties in LA with pricing at $280-320, then I add $20-40 for tip depending on service. These providers tend to raise prices by $20 from time to time. That hardly breaks the bank.  In the same period where I have seen kgirls go from $250-300, I have seen some indies go from $500-600 to $800-$1,000.  Some of those were good at $600, but I’m not seeing them anymore at $1,000.  
I think the kgirls were smart to implement a “Chinese menu” of services, charging a vig for MSOG, and bbfs, etc. when I started I believe the only options were 30 or 60 minutes.

I think the indies look at demand and pricing for a few girls they deem to be comparable. If they feel good about raising prices and staying busy, they do it from time to time with no consideration of inflation.  

Kgirls are a bit more of a commodity in terms of quantity and pricing, at least in LA. The bookers have to be careful regarding price increases or their demand could plummet. Their clients are definitely more price sensitive.

Finally, a word in defense of CDL’s reviews. If you have read his reviews and seen as many girls that he reviewed as I have, you would know they are quite accurate and many include insights he couldn’t have gotten with spending dome time naked with that lady. That’s more than most reviewers provide!

I agree! I've seen some of the same Kgirls as CDL and I found his reviews helpful on a lot of different aspects of the review! Keep 'em coming!