...That's a direct quote from Harpman60, king of the K-fanboys. I'm sure that his lapdogs and minions won't dispute The Infallible One.
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?BoardID=1&SortBy=DateCreated%20desc&Search=this%20hobby%20is%20about&SearchType=3&DayFrom=3000&DayTo=0&MessageID=278632&frmSearch=1#278632 I don't believe that L.A. K-girls are trafficked, but having sex with 11 guys in 13 hours can be quite a challenging prospect, to say the least. It's hard to believe that it is totally their free will, even if their goal is to make as much as much as they can in 90 days. And thanks to Brenn97 for telling me to go back THREE years on the L.A. board so I could find that authoritative statement. It's good to know that someone with a 97 IQ (and proud of it) can come up with a good idea once in a while.
In California & Seattle, Kgirls are very popular, thus a special board for them. There have been heated discussions about them, usually starting with an innocuous question, "What is a Kgirl?"
Well, they are girls from S. Korea and undercut the regular providers with lower donation in the 200 to 300 range.
I'd say this phenomenon is similar to the case of undocumented aliens who usurp the business of gardening, housekeeping, painting, etc.
I'm curious at the passion for and against. For the regular providers, it's understandable due to usurping of business. But for the hobbyist, why? If you don't like them, just ignore.
I've had a couple of k-girls (shocking!), and it was great. But nowadays I prefer visiting independent Asian providers. Just my preference.
I absolutely love having Kgirls around.
Talk about having a GREAT plan B for when an indy flakes on you.
One thing about most K girls is the consistency you seem to get. Almost always the ladies are slim, cute and attentive. PLUS they are like little energizer bunnies, they can fuck all day and come back for more.
I would hardly want to live on Kgirls alone, but I for one am VERY happy that they are an option.
Back about 10 years or so.. I remember the whole mouth wash, shower thing in WLA. There were some real cuties but they came and went. Now, it's hard to get in so to me it's like whatever ::shoulders shrugged::
They have their following so it's all good. One day I'll give it another try.
If she is able to make a better life for herself for doing business the way that you described, I am all for it. I am huge on us providers supporting each other and not putting each other down. We need solidarity in this business. When we help each other, the community is strengthened.
It's the weird shill boys that bug me .... Pete and Repeat come to mind. Glad they're gone.
And just undercut your comment about how providers feel, well, some of them anyway.
I've seen both Kgirls and non. My non have been great, no complaints, and I will see others in the future, see my post in the Gold Coast Ads forum, trying
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=1168&boardID=119&page=1#1168
Now, as a Hobbyist, Kgirls are just as pretty and just as good at the job, some may be better, some may need to improve but I like them as a whole.
Why they charge less, I have no clue but when I can see a kgirl for 2 to 3 hours or 2 or 3 times for the same price as a non-kgirl for 1 hour, it's simple math.
But they rarely flake, never really disappoint, and are almost always well-groomed, pretty, in shape and as advertised. In addition, they are reliable, punctual and SAFE! The rigorous screening protects you, the hobbyist, as well as them, the provider.....
will not be honest here about their reasons. But the racism and the fear of competition are very obvious if you just go back and read TER's LA discussion board. If you search for "k-girl" and various iterations of that moniker, you will see it clear as day.
Most often it comes from shameless white knights who are trying to impress the indy providers, who read these boards incessantly. But you will also occasionally see it coming directly from the indys themselves. And, of course, the worst of it usually comes from somebody hiding behind an alias -- expressing their true opinion, but too afraid to use their real TER ID.
Don't take my word for it. Go read for yourself. It's all still there
...What the hell does that have to do with THIS thread, other than trying to start trouble?
Show me ONE white knight who shilled for indies in K-girl threads on the L.A. board and name the indie he shilled for. The only shameless white knights TODAY are the ones that shill for the K-girls. Show me ONE Friday shill thread on the L.A. board for someone other than a K-girl.
How do you know indie providers read this board incessantly? Name ONE indie who reads this board incessantly. Name ONE indie who has posted on this board since its inception (other than the one in this thread, and that was only because this thread was moved here from its original board).
Of course, you and the other K-fanboys won't accept any responsibility for slavishly praising the K-girls and antagonizing everyone else. The ones who scream "racism" are often the most racist themselves.
The difference was that that the shillers there had a vested interest in the shillees. I would say on TER it was more the girls sometimes did their jobs a little too well and the clients couldn't discern fantasy from reality.
I've discussed this with a couple of veteran professional K-gals in the past the LA guys make a lot more money, but are emotionally more needy than the SF ones. The demographics are different.
But I'm going to keep doing what I've been doing for years: ignore the chaff, make my own decisions and trust my personal network. Because a lot of what you see is chaff.
Trolls like you are responsible for it, so it's hardly a surprise that you know exactly which time period I'm referring to.
The OP asked a question that is easily answered by reading the archives. Simple as that
First of all, I'm not a do gooder. I'm really not out to reform the P4P industry. That being said, Korean or other Asian and Latin American girls, many times are brought to the US illegally and mostly against their will to be prostitutes. Unlike western females, US, Canadian, European, who actually have free will and make decisions based upon many factors, these girls usually do not have any free will and don't have the option of saying no. From my understanding many of them are forced to have a multitude of customers per day and have no say in how the customer treats them. In a sense this is forced slavery. Yes, there are a few of these girls who are already prostitutes in their home countries and just want o make more money in a western country. But, I don't think that is the case with most of them. They also are moved from one location to another and one city to another frequently in an attempt to stay one step ahead of LE. So, since LE is constantly after them, it is probably more dangerous for a customer to use them. I also have a conscience and, as such, have trouble with booking a girl that I know is being horrendously exploited and mistreated. Maybe I'm just a sentimental fool as, apparently, a lot of customers could really care less whether they are being exploited or not.
The OP asked a question that is easily answered by reading the archives. Simple as that.
The OP asked a question that is easily answered by reading the archives. Simple as that.
So, you tell me. How do these K girls get here in this country? Are they citizens or legal immigrants? They are brought here by the trafficers and then are forced to has sex with multiple partners all day and most of the night. No girl, prostitute or otherwise, agrees to have sex with a dozen customers a day. This is according to every report that I've ever read. Now, where do you get your information? From being one of their customers? The difference with the K girls and the American girls, that are in the trade, is that the American girls are not forced to be prostitutes. They may have drug habits or monitory problems, which makes them want to be prostitutes for quick money. But, they can always just walk away or can even go to the police. If they don't choose to do that then that is their problem. The trafficked Asian girls don't have that option.
The OP asked a question that is easily answered by reading the archives. Simple as that.
Thundercoud it is clear from your comments that you are not familiar with the Kgirls that are here working now or how they came to be here. Equally naive are your comments regarding girls from this continent not being forced into the business where it is actually much more prevalent.
I'll tell you EXACTLY where I get my information, right from the source. I have had LTR's with several Korean and Thai hookers, all of them worked for either an agency or an AMP and NONE of them were doing it against their will, and they were all free to have boyfriends like me, homes and cars of their own, and except for working very hard by American standards, very good lives.
How is it that a sex slave is able to have a "real" boyfriend who she spends every night with after she gets off work?
You need to quit reading these bullshit stories in the press designed to get stupid people like you all worked up, and start listening to people who actually know what they are talking about.
...That's a direct quote from Harpman60, king of the K-fanboys. I'm sure that his lapdogs and minions won't dispute The Infallible One.
I don't believe that L.A. K-girls are trafficked, but having sex with 11 guys in 13 hours can be quite a challenging prospect, to say the least. It's hard to believe that it is totally their free will, even if their goal is to make as much as much as they can in 90 days.
And thanks to Brenn97 for telling me to go back THREE years on the L.A. board so I could find that authoritative statement. It's good to know that someone with a 97 IQ (and proud of it) can come up with a good idea once in a while.
A "good" day? Does anyone believe such outlandish hearsay?
Let's use our heads. No Kgirl and K-booker would be dumb enough to disclose such info. If one or two are so dumb, they're at best outliers or liars. I think H60 was probably smoking something when he posted that!!
...the same tablets as the Ten Commandments. They grovel for any little crumbs of info H60 doles out about K-girls. If his word is gospel, why wouldn't it be true that K-girls see up to "11 guys over a 13hr day."
This topic deserves closer examination.
1st, H60 presented not a single shred of evidence. If he did an extensive survey, let him present the results. If hearsay from one or two outliers, the claim should be ignored.
2nd, common sense would tell us that no Kgirl. K-booker, and K-agency would make such a stupid claim. That would only attract ridicule and may deter some guys who are only available in the evening.
If we look at H60's post we see mainly a brag of K popularity with tongue-and-cheek hyperbole. We use such hyperboles all the time, like, "I've been working a 26-hr day", or "They gave me a million tests in the hospital".
You said that the K-fans consider H60's words gospel truth. I don't believe that they all revere him as infallible pope. Ask long time vets like CaptainR, LA Traveller, Mufftime, etc. I'm not trying to defend or debunk anyone, just trying for a neutral and rational perspective.
Btw, I thought you always told people that H60 is all trash & no truth. Why advertise this?
and seeing a "dozen guys a day"
I don't find it unbelievable at all that a woman might see as many as 11 or 12 guys in one VERY busy day, but to do it day in and day out is a completely different matter.
I don't think there is any dispute that most Kgirls are by any definition "high volume" and I know several women who I know for a fact are disappointed if they "only" see four or five guys in a day.
The OP asked a question that is easily answered by reading the archives. Simple as that.
I was given a lesson once from a local when I asked her about her hours. She responded, "Tomorrow I don't have to work, can you say the same?" That same woman has invested in my local economy, an economy that is one of the best in the country, and at the end of a recent evening I noticed that she was cooking for others. Her idea of independence would make John Hancock proud.
This woman has my admiration for many reasons. The fact that she is one of the most beautiful I have ever met has little to do with it. I have taken the time and invested myself in understanding the unique nuances of who she is in order to avoid the stereotyping that is easy to associate with what she does.
Sentimental fool with a conscience or troll unleashing a cynically opinionated statement?
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That was impressive. Do you work for CAASE? Remember, you can't spell "castrate" without the letters C, A, A, S, E
Same old BS every time from the same old BS purveyors.
Guys wonder why nothing of interest is ever posted here ... Read this thread ... That's why
...of course you knew the thread would go downhill. It was your post that started it going downhill.
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I understand the security etc but these bookers are turning out to be pricks or cunts at the very least. No matter how many good references you end up giving them, they will flake after giving all your information. Karma is such a bitch that the other flaky board is out of business perhaps they will consider new clients and go easy on the refs.
Harpman60's sensational claim:
1st, H60 presented not a single shred of evidence. If he did an extensive survey, let him present the results. If hearsay from one or two outliers, the claim should be ignored.
2nd, common sense would tell us that no Kgirl. K-booker, and K-agency would make such a stupid claim. That would only attract ridicule and may deter some guys who are only available in the evening.
If we look at H60's post we see mainly a brag of K popularity with tongue-and-cheek hyperbole. We use such hyperboles all the time, like, "I've been working a 26-hr day", or "They gave me a million tests in the hospital".
You said that the K-fans consider H60's words gospel truth. I don't believe that they all revere him as infallible pope. Ask long time vets like CaptainR, LA Traveller, Mufftime, etc. I'm not trying to defend or debunk anyone, just trying for a neutral and rational perspective.
Btw, I thought you always told people that H60 is all trash & no truth. Why advertise this?
I have not known of any K-doll doing this against their will but that story persists and Big Pap going on about how many guys they see in one day. The dolls are by far the best thing in the LA scene and people resent it. And it is relevant to go back on what happened on the boards some years back because it can clarify the issue of what the OP was asking.
Well, they are girls from S. Korea and undercut the regular providers with lower donation in the 200 to 300 range.
I'd say this phenomenon is similar to the case of undocumented aliens who usurp the business of gardening, housekeeping, painting, etc.
I'm curious at the passion for and against. For the regular providers, it's understandable due to usurping of business. But for the hobbyist, why? If you don't like them, just ignore.
Just a thought. How would you, as a customer, know that a K-Girl provider is not doing it against her will? Do you actually think that she would divulge this information to you? If she did discuss this with you then she leaves herself and her agency open to prosecution. For anyone to think that many of these girls are making their own decisions regarding customers and working conditions is probably naive at best. I do know that millions of third world girls and boys are trafficked worldwide and forced to do things against their will. I suspect it is no different in the US.
Well, they are girls from S. Korea and undercut the regular providers with lower donation in the 200 to 300 range.
I'd say this phenomenon is similar to the case of undocumented aliens who usurp the business of gardening, housekeeping, painting, etc.
I'm curious at the passion for and against. For the regular providers, it's understandable due to usurping of business. But for the hobbyist, why? If you don't like them, just ignore.
It's a show, a great one at that. It's fucking as performance art. Can't get any more Asian that that.
The problem is, a lot of guys can't recognize the show for what it is.
K-gals are awesome, on both the professional gal level and woman level. Both the pros and the civvies.
Illegal immigrant do not usurp anything, they just take the jobs that average Americans do not want to do. Btw, there are K-gals that charge over 500 so no they do not disrupt the market that much.